I never said Elway, don't put words in my mouth. The kid was the High School Texas State athlete of the year and has a baseball pedigree . You can't measure his learning quotient Ala Prescott/Wilson he has the same qualities though.. If he's put in a situation to succeed, there will mancrushes that will dawrf the Alex cult.

If you take Russell Wilson and give him Colin Kaepernicks arm, then make him 6'3'', 215 lbs, you have John Elway.

You can't say the dude is like one of the most mobile, intelligent quarterbacks in football (Wilson) and would possess the strongest arm in football (Kaepernick) in a pretty perfect QB frame (Mahomes has nice height/build) and then get indignant when it's pointed out that you've just combined the traits that yield a Hall of Fame quarterback.

We've all seen how the movie ends with Smith at QB and there's no doubt that he's declining.

IMO, the Chiefs should renegotiate Foles contract to something like 3 years, $22 million ($7 million or so per), then do whatever it takes to draft Mahomes, whether it's giving up all of their Comp Picks or a pick next year along with their #1 this year.

After the draft, trade or release Alex Smith. Go into TC with Foles and Mahomes as the #1 & #2, with Bray or someone else competing for the #3 spot.

At this point, after seeing Foles against Indy and Jax, while spending a full year with Reid, Nagy and Childress, I don't know how his performance would differ from another season of Alex Smith.

It's time to ****ing move on.

http://www.maxpreps.com/m/article.as...b-f7dddb2f05dd

Never said Elway you're putting words in my mouth

Please god this. I would even take DeShaun Watson if they feel he's worth the pick.

Link to the tantrum I threw?

I pretty much threw my arms up and said, "Whatever. Enjoy your slight upgrade over Matt Cassel, Chiefs."

Defensive holding. Five yard penalty and - oh, wait. That's a Steeler. Never mind.

"Hulk Hogan with the suplex! Oh, wait...I'm an NFL ref now."

I'm not giving up 1/2 my picks this, let alone this and next years for a true 2nd rounder. I don't see trading for someone else's retread, either. Foles is a back up, period.

So just gonna ignore the transitive property here, eh?

You said he's like Russell Wilson with Kaepernick's arm - yes?
Russell Wilson is among the more intelligent, mobile QBs in football - yes?
Colin Kaepernick has among the strongest arms in football - yes?
Mahomes has a much better QB build than Wilson - yes?

Of course you didn't say he was Elway, but what you described IS a similar prospect to Elway - smart, mobile, good leadership intangibles, cannon of an arm, good build. I'm pointing out that saying "he's Russell Wilson with Colin Kaepernick's arm" is an incredibly stupid thing to say and the fact that you're trying so desperately to parse words here shows that you know it.

You overplayed your hand something awful. Mahomes is a fine prospect but you just started with a player that's on a HoF career track and then took his two worst problems (arm strength and physical stature) and not only mitigated them, but made them obvious strengths.

That's absurd.

LOL, Christ arguing just to argue correct? Where did I say Elway?

If you read the article you understand the comparison. The kid has a baseball pedigree , the arm, and athletic ability like Kaepernick and Wilson. His disposition is like Wilson's. If he can adapt quickly in a conducive situation like the Chiefs then yes he'll succeed.

You can't be this dense.

My ENTIRE point is not that you said Elway, it's that you described him. You absolutely called the third highest rated quarterback in a mediocre class "Russell Wilson with Colin Kaepernick's arm" which is just stupid on its face.

No, he is not Russell Wilson with Kaepernick's arm because if he WERE, he'd be John Elway.

Have I broken this down enough for you? I'm saying your comparison is absurd because you've just about built the perfect quarterback by combining Wilson and Kaepernick and no, Pat Mahomes is not the perfect quarterback.

**** it, you're putting words in my mouth didn't read the article for the comparison.

You're justbeing combative

Fisher is good enough, he will continue to get stronger as he gets older. He will fall for those cheap moves less and less. He just happened to be shafted by the refs at exactly the wrong time.

Those bastard refs let them play in the trenches the entire game and then suddenly decided to pay attention in the last minute of the game.

Chiefs ... the only team in the NFL that doesn't get home field refing