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FringeNC 09-17-2008 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 5028919)
There's an inherent problem with the whole situation -

How can a team rebuild when the guy pulling the strings is the same guy that let them get into the shape they're in now?

Good point -- good GMs don't rebuild, they reload. One year at 6-10 maybe, but that's about it.

Fish 09-17-2008 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by donkhater (Post 5028959)
Without going through the five pages worth of replies to this inane article, I'll throw my two cents in, which has undoubtedly been said before.

They are rebuilding. Fine. I get it. They aren't going to win many games and they will be inconsistent from week to week. I get it. I will allow the PLAYERS to perform like they are still maturing and developing.

But answer me this:

How in the hell is Herm or Carl or anyone going to develop a QB if all the game plan calls for is running the ball up the center's a$$?

The QB throws 15 passes a game in situations that the defense knows he going to throw and these idiots wonder why the QB isn't developing as fast as they thought he would.

Give the QB and the whole team the whole playbook. Coach aggressively and your team will play aggressively. The QB will make mistakes. He'll likely throw interceptions. Chances are he may even throw a few really good passes and make big plays, too.

What the hell is Herm scared of? Losing the game? They probably will, but haven't they been doing that for the last 11 F#$$%^^^G games????

At least you'd give the fans a sense that you are at least TRYING to win.

I've seen the attitude spreading now that "I get the rebuild, I accept that and I expect losses, but I didn't expect to lose like this! Why are we running the ball and not throwing more?"

Well it's tough to have it both ways at this point. Even though I would love to see it happen and have them go all out, I can see why it hasn't happened yet.

They likely feel that they can't just air it out, because the OLine won't give them enough time to do anything but a quick 3 step drop. And the QB is very inexperienced, so you can't really expect him to start lighting up a vertical game effectively. But my answer to that is "who cares?" We suck anyway. Obviously somebody still has some slight pull in wanting to win games opposed to sucking it up and getting experience regardless.... They're still trying to sell tickets you know..

But that said, I think they will be forced to throw caution to the wind eventually when this current strategy keeps failing. The problem is, there's a good chance that they'll look like equally incompetent boobs when they do try more of a downfield game and all they do is throw INTs, miss receivers, and go 3 and out while taking about 12 seconds off the playclock. Then the D gets worn out, and they look like crap on both sides of the ball. I can see how it would be easy to create one big shitty cycle of fail that affects all areas of the game if they don't play just a little bit conservatively.

beach tribe 09-17-2008 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5028523)
You know why you got so far under his skin, don't you?

It's because


Your and Idiot.

QFT

donkhater 09-17-2008 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish (Post 5029106)
I've seen the attitude spreading now that "I get the rebuild, I accept that and I expect losses, but I didn't expect to lose like this! Why are we running the ball and not throwing more?"

Well it's tough to have it both ways at this point. Even though I would love to see it happen and have them go all out, I can see why it hasn't happened yet.

They likely feel that they can't just air it out, because the OLine won't give them enough time to do anything but a quick 3 step drop. And the QB is very inexperienced, so you can't really expect him to start lighting up a vertical game effectively. But my answer to that is "who cares?" We suck anyway. Obviously somebody still has some slight pull in wanting to win games opposed to sucking it up and getting experience regardless.... They're still trying to sell tickets you know..

But that said, I think they will be forced to throw caution to the wind eventually when this current strategy keeps failing. The problem is, there's a good chance that they'll look like equally incompetent boobs when they do try more of a downfield game and all they do is throw INTs, miss receivers, and go 3 and out while taking about 12 seconds off the playclock. Then the D gets worn out, and they look like crap on both sides of the ball. I can see how it would be easy to create one big shitty cycle of fail that affects all areas of the game if they don't play just a little bit conservatively.

OK, but what happened to the roll outs and the bootlegs and misdirection running plays we saw in the preseason? Wasn't that to keep the QB moving? the defense guessing? All I've seen so far is the same crappy offense they ran last season.

Mecca 09-17-2008 06:27 PM

Ok safeties make tackles even on good defenses, take Bob Sanders or Ed Reed for example...Dawkins is getting old and isn't the player he use to be also so that's why he looks like he does.

Here's what I think of those players...Hali is a rotational DE a 3. Page is a 3rd safety the guy who comes in in the nickel package that is 3 safeties and not 3 corners big nickel if you will. Pollard should be a 4th safety, a guy who plays special teams, maybe plays some safety in obvious run downs or some LB in a Nickel situation, they are role players.

And if you have good safeties and LB's Pollard becomes nothing more than a special teams player with Page taking the big nickel role since he's ok in coverage.

shaneo69 09-17-2008 07:31 PM

So the Packers went 4-12, fired their coach, and McCarthy came in and went 8-8, then made it to the conference championship in his 2nd year, and is now 2-0 with a brand new inexperienced QB.

Herm inherited a 8-8 team, went to 10-6, then 4-12, and now 0-2.

One guy turned it around, and the other guy drove it into the ground.

There's no comparison.

Spott 09-17-2008 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by shaneo69 (Post 5030151)
So the Packers went 4-12, fired their coach, and McCarthy came in and went 8-8, then made it to the conference championship in his 2nd year, and is now 2-0 with a brand new inexperienced QB.

Herm inherited a 8-8 team, went to 10-6, then 4-12, and now 0-2.

One guy turned it around, and the other guy drove it into the ground.

There's no comparison.

Herm inherited a 10-6 team, then went 9-7 and 4-12.

Tribal Warfare 09-17-2008 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by shaneo69 (Post 5030151)
So the Packers went 4-12, fired their coach, and McCarthy came in and went 8-8, then made it to the conference championship in his 2nd year, and is now 2-0 with a brand new inexperienced QB.

Herm inherited a 10-6 team, went to 9-7, then 4-12, and now 0-2.

One guy turned it around, and the other guy drove it into the ground.

There's no comparison.

FYP

WilliamTheIrish 09-17-2008 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 5027825)
You think it is a whiff? I don't.

1 20 20 Tamba Hali DE Penn State
** A good LDE. He's being played out of position this year. Bad coaching/GM move with Allen and forcing Hali to play the right side.

2 2 22 54 Bernard Pollard DB Purdue
** Not a great safety, but I think he's good and he is still improving.

3 3 21 85 Brodie Croyle QB Alabama
** at this point a bust because of injury problems.

4 5 22 154 Marcus Maxey DB Miami (FL)
** bust

5 6 17 186 Tre' Stallings G Mississippi
** bust

6 6 21 190 Jeff Webb WR San Diego State
** underperforming this year.

7 7 20 228 Jarrad Page DB UCLA
** excellent pick for a 7th rounder.

Wow. That is one big stinkfest of a draft.

RNR 09-17-2008 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Claythan (Post 5028179)
People have unrealistic expectations.

And, like I said, they will grasp at ANY straw to discredit Herm. Page was drafted in the 7th round. He was an absolute gem, and he is Antonio Gates' kryptonite. That alone makes him a success as an NFL player.

You were the anti germ guy or something like that right? Now some lame ass website lets you play writer and it is run by a ass kissing idiot so now you defend the same guy you used to trash. No surpise I guess :rolleyes:

Hammock Parties 09-17-2008 08:27 PM

Looks like you're wrong again you inbred jackass.

RNR 09-17-2008 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Claythan (Post 5030268)
Looks like you're wrong again you inbred jackass.

Lets start a treaty and if I ever break it I will root for a different team :) Deal?

Hammock Parties 09-17-2008 08:40 PM

I don't really care.

RNR 09-17-2008 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Claythan (Post 5030318)
I don't really care.

That is just an ugly and hurtful reply. So is that a no to the treaty?

Hammock Parties 09-17-2008 08:44 PM

Why would I give a shit about what team you root for?


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