Originally Posted by FAX

Let's burn the stadium and roast marshmellows.

FAX

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

Yep, that's pretty talent-heavy.

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

That doesn't negate the good things he has done with our defense and most of our personnel. But it is worrisome because it points to a critical flaw...a Marty type flaw, something Chiefs fans are innately aware of and afraid of.

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Honestly, if it weren't for Croyle's presence on this team I think I would have reached a breaking point with this franchise. My ability to care is almost gone.

Originally Posted by siberian khatru

But we didn't recover it.

But if we want to play hypotheticals, let's play. OK, we recover it -- and run twice, gain 5 yards, then throw a 4-yard pass on 3rd down and then punt. Or get sacked in an obvious passing down. Or throw incomplete. Or run for it on 3rd down and fall short. In other words, what if we recovered -- and STILL didn't convert?

Here's another hypothetical. What if we threw deep once and got a pass interference penalty that set us up for a short FG or even a TD?

What if? What if? What if? With all due respect, that's all your post is. And although it begins on a defensive play that didn't happen, it still assumes the offense must convert it -- which is no different than all the other what-ifs the critics are throwing out.

We whittled the game down to one possession in the 4th quarter. So what did we do?

1) Run for loss; short pass; short pass; punt
2) Run for no gain; short pass; PASS FOR FIRST DOWN (!); rush for loss; rush for loss; draw; punt.

We had the ball -- just like in your scenario. What did we do with it? We played scared.

Here's what's frustrating -- Herm's game plan WORKED, right up to the point where he FAILED TO CAPITALIZE ON IT. He undermined his entire philosophy.

It's like finally scoring a date with the hot chick, and then being too afraid to give her a goodnight kiss.

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

Lets go over the D. The players left on D when Herm took over:

Jared Allen (2yr experience)
Derrick Johnson (1yr experience)
John Browning
Lionel Dalton
Carlos Hall
Eric Hicks
Junior Siavii
Ryan Sims
Shawn Barber
Kendrell Bell
Key Fox
Kawika Mitchell
Will Bartee
Sammy Knight
Dexter McCleon
Benny Sapp
Pat Surtain
Eric Warfield
Dewayne Washington
Greg Wesley
Jerome Woods


Yep, that's pretty talent-heavy.

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Those are the players Herm's current DC requested.

Originally Posted by siberian khatru

I think Herm is crippled by the Carl legacy. If this were 1989, we'd probably all be thrilled with what's going on. But since we've lived through all the heartbreak and failures of the past 18 years, particularly the Marty style of football from the 90s, few of us are willing to ignore the past and cut Herm some slack.

That may be unfair -- Herm may actually have the right formula, this time. But for too many of us, this path looks familiar. We were willing to accept conservative football in the 90s because 1) it was superior to the shit we played from around 1975-88, and 2) we weren't yet exposed to its critical limitations.

It's why Zouk's stuff just doesn't reach me. He clearly believes it with all his heart. He's an apostle. But I'm just not digging the gospel anymore. It's like a Christian vs. Jew thing with this team now. You either have the faith or you don't.

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

If we have a Marty team, with Brodie and Bowe instead of Bono or Grbac and Rison or Lachappelle. I'LL TAKE IT!!!!

Originally Posted by siberian khatru

I think Herm is crippled by the Carl legacy. If this were 1989, we'd probably all be thrilled with what's going on. But since we've lived through all the heartbreak and failures of the past 18 years, particularly the Marty style of football from the 90s, few of us are willing to ignore the past and cut Herm some slack.

That may be unfair -- Herm may actually have the right formula, this time. But for too many of us, this path looks familiar. We were willing to accept conservative football in the 90s because 1) it was superior to the shit we played from around 1975-88, and 2) we weren't yet exposed to its critical limitations.

It's why Zouk's stuff just doesn't reach me. He clearly believes it with all his heart. He's an apostle. But I'm just not digging the gospel anymore. It's like a Christian vs. Jew thing with this team now. You either have the faith or you don't.

Originally Posted by siberian khatru

It's why Zouk's stuff just doesn't reach me. He clearly believes it with all his heart. He's an apostle. But I'm just not digging the gospel anymore. It's like a Christian vs. Jew thing with this team now. You either have the faith or you don't.

Originally Posted by Zouk

I understand it's hard to see it now. But Croyle and Bowe are rookies or essentially rookies this year and the O-line is stomach turning. Next year when we put more offensive talent out there with Croyle and Bowe, combined with a D that can hold the Colts to 13 in the RCA dome, it'll no longer be a question of faith. We will all see it with our own eyes.

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

If we have a Marty team, with Brodie and Bowe instead of Bono or Grbac and Rison or Lachappelle. I'LL TAKE IT!!!!