I think that’s why UCONN is on the table. 2 or all 4 could come from the PAC, or if just 1 or 3 they have a backup option. The Big12 vetted a bunch of schools the last go round and went with the four of BYU, Cincinnati, Houston, and UCF. Kind of like Gonzaga and any other basketball only add, just because they are doing their research and due diligence doesn’t mean it’s going to happen.

So far I like this new commissioner a lot, he seems to be looking into every avenue and his previous good history and connections with ESPN and Fox was a plus as well.

Honestly I think it would be hilarious if Utah and ASU don’t join with the other two and then the Big12 only offers them partial shares for a number of years when they finally see the final PAC offer.

Big news coming?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fx-5S_1X...jpg&name=large

So when they left the Big12 for the PAC, they had a special board meeting worded they way they did yesterday on a Tuesday, then scheduled a public meeting for Friday which they also did again for this Friday.

I would be surprised. I'm not convinced ASU is coming, but never say never.

I can see U-Conn, Arizona, and Colorado for now. Just only a matter of who's the 4th one is, and I can't quite get a read on the 4th one yet.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sources: Colorado is in discussions about a move to the Big 12, and the school has just completed a board meeting and scheduled another for tomorrow to discuss the move. The Big 12 is also holding a presidents meeting tonight where there&#39;s expected to be an expansion update.</p>&mdash; Pete Thamel (@PeteThamel) <a href="https://twitter.com/PeteThamel/status/1684308770065641476?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 26, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Colorado just completed a board meeting of its regents and has scheduled a second one for Thursday, presumably around a potential move to the Big 12, sources tell <a href="https://twitter.com/YahooSports?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@YahooSports</a></p>&mdash; Ross Dellenger (@RossDellenger) <a href="https://twitter.com/RossDellenger/status/1684309203416932354?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 26, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Looks like one of the prodigals might be coming home.

Perhaps. There's also a possibility of another one or two.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Colorado is likely to move within the next 48 hours.<br><br>Also, there&#39;s another school in the Pac-12 beyond the rumored four corners that will surprise people and is seriously contemplating a jump to the Big 12.</p>&mdash; Jason Scheer (@jasonscheer) <a href="https://twitter.com/jasonscheer/status/1684311955580788738?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 26, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Respectfully,<br><br>Washington State and Oregon State aren&#39;t attractive enough for full Big 12 shares.<br><br>Stanford and Cal don&#39;t even know they have athletic departments.<br><br>Think elsewhere.</p>&mdash; Jason Scheer (@jasonscheer) <a href="https://twitter.com/jasonscheer/status/1684331555697852416?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 26, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Have to think Arizona or Arizona State is the other school.

It said "another school beyond the 4 corners."

So it wouldn't be Oregon State or Washington State because neither offer any value.

California and Stanford also isn't any good either.

So it's either has to be Washington or Oregon? :shrug:

I would think Oregon would opt for the Big Ten, so Washington is my guess.

That would be a massive get for the Big 12... I wonder if the Big 10 has shut the door on Washington and Oregon because that was their rumored destination for a while now.

UConn will be #14 with Colorado.

Hmmm.... I wouldn't be so sure yet.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The University of Oregon Executive, Audit and Governance Committee of the Board of Trustees will hold a meeting Thursday at 10 AM PT. <br><br>This looks to be scheduled very last minute. <a href="https://t.co/uMSaSalCTb">https://t.co/uMSaSalCTb</a></p>&mdash; Matt Prehm (@MattPrehm) <a href="https://twitter.com/MattPrehm/status/1684337241605410816?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 26, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Of course, what do I know?

I think Arizona, Arizona State, Utah and Colorado are the "four corner schools". All of those schools are expected to become Big 12 members eventually. Colorado is starting the domino. But the tweet says something about an additional unexpected school.....perhaps Washington or Oregon if they know they aren't getting a Big Ten invite.

I'm only speculating as this front has been very quiet for a while but consider this. If UO/UW did get B1G invite at the time, they would have done it already and we would know about it, wouldn't you think?

I'm not sure they simply got an invite because I don’t see how they can increase the per school number or even keep it where it is when it comes to the B1G pie? I don't know.

Hm yes time to get excited to see the cum dumpster husk of Colorado

Looks like it’s happening…

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Colorado leaving Pac-12 to return to Big 12 in 2024, sources told <a href="https://twitter.com/ActionNetworkHQ?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ActionNetworkHQ</a>. CU will receive full Big 12 share ($31.7M) from ESPN/Fox media deal. Buffs left because of Big 12 stability &amp; Pac-12’s uncertainty, sources said. Announcement Thursday<a href="https://t.co/IOo8LWAuTF">https://t.co/IOo8LWAuTF</a> <a href="https://t.co/4Ilq91C0EO">pic.twitter.com/4Ilq91C0EO</a></p>&mdash; Brett McMurphy (@Brett_McMurphy) <a href="https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/1684336226139099138?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 26, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Almost has to be, at least from an athletics perspective. Arizona and ASU are the only other two that would be possible. Stanford academically would be a great fit. Cal culturally would be an absolutely awful fit.

Every conference needs a fleshlight to empty into. Why do you think you guys got the SEC invite?

Your coach still looking like a lesbo gym teacher??

The irony is them leaving started the instability in the Big 12.

Got to imagine that dumb press conference by Kliavkoff was the final nail in the coffin.

****ing Jenny-ass buffaloes. Coming back to Forrest when she's got AIDS and queefed out his kid without telling him.

I ****in' toll ya'll a few month ago. I told ya

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My guess would probably look a little better (though still presumably wrong) if I had said holding out for instead of opting for.

Only Colorado would be the prodigal. Heck they were part of the Big 8 before it was the Big 8.

Let’s not go revising history here; Mizzou lifting their skirt to the Big Ten in an attempt to woo them is what started the instability.

Colorado and Nebraska both left the B12 before Mizzou and A&M did.

Texas was also the cause of the instability due to the LHN.

Big 8 basketball saturdays was the best ever

Let the tally books show that Mizzou prostituted themselves to the Big Ten, got turned down and then got hilariously left out of the first round of re-alignment. Colorado and Nebraska left after Mizzou’s scandalous overtures.

As cited by the schools that couldn’t beat Texas. At the time my Cats owned them not only in football, and basketball, but pretty much all aspects of life. Even though that own age has come to an end, I still don’t give two shits about the LHN.

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Mizzou's flirtation began when the B1G announced it was expanding in December 2009. Nebraska was approved to join the B1G in June 2010, as well as Colorado with the P12.

Ah, so Oklahoma, Texas' biggest rival and arguably the most successful B12/B8 football team, didn't have a problem with the LHN? That is simply false.

https://www.oklahoman.com/story/spor...k/61139605007/

Oklahoma had such a problem with it that they were the only other school in the B12, until 2022, to have their Tier 3 media rights be separate from the rest of the conference outside of Texas.

California and Stanford are holding out for the Big 10.

Silly as it, university presidents also have a large say in realignment and to be president of Cal is the dream of every university president.

Cal is going to be the next Rutgers of the undeserving bid.

This is correct. LHN was the big reason why.

Culturally, Colorado and Boulder are California based. It is why they left in the first place. But when the Pac 12 is negotiating with the CW, culture suddenly doesn't matter as much moolah.

Gundy is 9-9 vs Texas all time and was complaining about the LHN.

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/okla...161512408.html

Berkley's athletic department is in the red big time and I believe UCLA, as part of their agreement to join the B1G, is supposed to subsidize Berkley's athletic department with millions for the upcoming future.

Stanford is one of the best athletic departments in the country (football and basketball withstanding recently). I believe they have won a NCAA awarded team sport championship every year dating back to the 70's.

Oh man, best days ever.

Not saying realignment doesn't happen if the LHN is never allowed to exist by the B12, but, I don't think Mizzou and A&M leave that soon.

Nebraska probably does because of the $$$ they can get from the B1G and Colorado might because the P12 is better fit geographically.

As much as the Pacific writers have looked down on the Big Ten over the years (Rose Bowl losses), it amazes me the Pac10 is dissolving and hoping the Big Ten will bail them out.

All the PAC 12 had to do was take Texas and Oklahoma's friends a decade ago and they would be fine. And grab BYU.

But no, the academic snobs couldn't stomach it. Good riddance.

Colorado in terms of geographically, I can understand that. But they were the original Big 6 team with the teams in the Midwest and have forged a lot of history.

Plus Pac12 downfall is not because of the UCLA/USC leaving, it also has to do with the piss poor Pac12 network, which is like similar to the LTN. And don't get me started on their attendances, as it has been poor.

And therefore, lies the issue on the Pac12.

They still insist the academic stuff is the big importance.

Networks/TV/fans do not see that way.

Pac-12 has had multiple opportunities to end the Big 12, yet here we are with the Big 12 trying to land a Clubber Lang knockout punch before the end of the round.

LOL
I like this one better....

https://www.nbcsportswashington.com/...-title/188783/

Yeah, Pac 12's issue is their former commissioner ****ed up their media deals and was forced out in 2021 by the schools as a result.

UCLA/USC saw the writing on the wall and dipped accordingly. The only schools that may be worth a shit in terms of $ are Washington, Arizona St., Arizona, and Oregon.

Washington St. and Oregon St. are absolutely ****ed and Berkley's athletic department is a mess financially. Curious to see what happens with Utah.

I think Cal and Stanford are going to have to either go independent (very unlikely because they are in the red) or have to drop some sports and join a different lower tier G5 conference to help themselves to get their fiscal issues resolved.

B1G doesn't really see the value Cal or Stanford bring to the table, IMHO.

Those dates confirm what I said. Thank you.


Just as states, Texas and Oklahoma hate each other, their universities are no different, constantly bickering like jilted lovers. In fact, it is only fitting that in this mutually abusive relationship UT and OU are going hand in hand to the SEC.

Yeah, we're seeing eye-to-eye in this situation. Maybe a little slightly different in some respects but pretty much nailed on the head.

And you're not wrong, WSU and OSU are screwed.

UT was basically the kingpin. OU was only reluctant to do so because of the $, at least that is my understanding.

Either way, both of them are going to be gone anyways, and the SEC can try to handle that Texas Sized Ego Home Wrecker.

Stanford has had to cut sports in the past few years. They also play by a different set of rules because since they're private vs being apart of the UC system.

Cal's being bailed out by UCLA and is ****ed if an earthquake happens (their football stadium is built on a fault line).

Oklahoma's and Texas' relationship is symbiotic.

LHN is being absorbed by the SECN in 2024 and won't exist moving forward.

The shit the B12 let fly won't happen in the SEC.

Is that not for all intents and purposes what I said? Obviously I used a more colorful description, but the essence was there.

only, maybe, from a research perspective, and womens Bball for Stanford

but not athletics as a whole

Cal can say it has been fixed, but, um, yeah, sure.

LMAO we really gonna relitigate this shit almost 15 years later?

It was.

Point being whatever Texas does or gets, Oklahoma has to do. Or vice versa.

Similar to how UCLA/USC are tied at the hip. Auburn/Alabama, Florida/Georgia, Michigan/Ohio St., etc.

Will be curious to see what happens to the ACC whenever their media rights deal is over. I think a decent amount of the league will join the SEC (FSU, Miami, Clemson, Louisville, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech), while the rest join the B1G.

Cal and Stanford would discontinue athletics before they ever dropped to the MWC. They would commit suicide before having to share a conference with Fresno State.

I think the Big 10 wants Cal and Stanford because the university presidents would make them. There is room for those two schools in the 24 or 32 team conference model. Which is the ultimate endgame.

Washington State and Oregon State are out of luck.

Correct, but CU has history with the Big 12 dating back to just after WWII. Cal doesn’t and I doubt they want anything to do with the Big 12, nor do I think the Big 12 wants them. I really only see four possible schools for the Big 12 outside of Colorado and those are Arizona, ASU, Oregon, and Washington. If not for BYU I would think Utah would have a very good shot.

Big 12's going to dissolve any day now...

I know what the point was because I’m the one that made it.

Seriously, you UK fans give a bad name to Wildcat fans. :)

No doubt. Cal would sooner die than hobnob with the Great Plains schools and UCF.

Oh yeah, BYU holds a grudge with Utah. Understandably so. Utah would be a great get for the PAC 12. Bring back the Holy War!

"There is nothing new under the sun."

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I respect a first year coach saying this.

The ACC will be divided up by the Big 10 and SEC with a couple of schools left out in the cold.

From an academic perspective, I don't see Cal or Stanford liking to be affiliated with the likes of SDSU, Boise St., Fresno St. either.

They have to pray they get a B1G invite or I think they'll go independent.

I will agree with you that WSU and OSU are out of luck.

I do not agree with your assessment of that Big 10 wants Cal and Stanford. If they really did want them when they got USC/UCLA at the time, they would have done so at the time.

Cal and Stanford bring little to zero value on athletics and viewership. Not to mention, I just cannot see them getting an invite simply because I don’t see how they can increase the per school number or even keep it where it is, the B1G pie.

Edited to add: The B1G would most likely prefer Oregon and/or Washington as they have better value/offer if they had to choose between the 4 of Cal, Stanford, Washington, and Oregon.

You think the SEC would welcome GT back?

Stanford won the Directors Cup this year. They have a really good athletic department, though it seems like they're break-even or slightly in the red currently. They aren't great in MBB and football currently (were recently with Harbaugh and Shaw up until a few seasons ago).

Cal is a mess but they have the academic prestige and are part of the UC system, which UCLA is subsidizing up to $10 million a year for Cal's athletics for the foreseeable future.

Adding Stanford and Cal brings in the SF TV market as well as their academics. Personally, if I were the B1G I'd go after Stanford to entice ND to join.
Money talks.

Stanford is a great carrot to attract Notre Dame.

Of course, if the Big 10 wasn't a cesspool of anti-Catholicism in the 1920s, the Irish would have joined. Notre Dame was begging for an invitation and the commissioner wanted them. But the schools and coaches didn't.

Gotta love CFB history!

The bolded part, I can see that, but the odds of that is very low for Stanford. We will just have to disagree on that Cal and Stanford, and just have to wait and see what happens at this point.

There's still more dominoes to fall as the Big 12 wouldn't just take Colorado without considering another to make it back to 14 when OU and Texas leaves in 2024. I still believe it will be Arizona, U-Conn, and Colorado as I mentioned, I just don't know the 4th one.

I don't think Stanford can absorb the potential rise in operating expenses, if they do go independent, long-term unless they limit themselves to only playing exclusively west.

Joining the B1G allows them to still play UCLA and USC while having more league revenue and being affiliated with universities held in higher academic regard.

Also allows the B1G to have another market for later games.

I agree with regard to the B12 that they probably aren't done yet and even with those 4, I'm not sure they're done for the next few years. Could see them adding USF to get further into FL (they're also building an on-campus football stadium and are natural rivals with UCF) as well as Memphis. Aside from that, it's slim pickings from the American unless you want to add someone like Tulane, SMU, or Temple.

If the Big 12 can't lure any more Pac 12 teams, I would go with Memphis.

SMU isn't happening (TCU and Houston and Texas Tech would block it). Temple is a dead end. Tulane is intriguing (man, they regret leaving the SEC) but beware of one year wonders. USF is all potential which rarely pans out.

I agree with regard to Memphis. Tulane and SMU don't offer really any upside. Temple brings you to Philly, but that's it.

UCF has the potential to be a juggernaut given where its recruiting base is, its investment in facilities, its large alumni base, and its move to Power 5 which is coming after its success in football.

USF has the same benefits and possibilities as UCF except it is years behind in facilities and success.

In 15 to 20 years, we will all be here talking about the breakup of the super conferences.

Miami is AAU now and would prefer the Big 10.

Colorado isn’t the only school jumping. But if they do end up with an odd number from the PAC, UCONN is the backup option to even the numbers.

Yeah, Stanford's biggest appeal is that it's a good throw in with Notre Dame

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sources: The Big 12’s presidents and chancellors voted unanimously Wednesday night on a conference call to accept Colorado as a new member. Colorado still has not formally applied for Big 12 membership, which is expected to happen tomorrow.</p>&mdash; Pete Thamel (@PeteThamel) <a href="https://twitter.com/PeteThamel/status/1684398441907064832?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 27, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>