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O.city 08-22-2023 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17068239)
I guess what I should say is it isn't doable to continue to pay Jones that way at his age when we have multiple other players coming up for contracts.

Maybe then we won't be paying a G the highest amount in the league at his spot though?

O.city 08-22-2023 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17068274)
We tried.

He's not being reasonable.

There's only so much you can do.

That's also very possible. Takes 2 to tango.

milkshock 08-22-2023 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe (Post 17068271)
Smart for Jones to make this push for his last big $$$ deal now, before he turns 30. The tag number for DT’s was only $18.9M this year, KC would love to have him play at that number next year.


Who the **** are you again?


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ghak99 08-22-2023 02:58 PM

Chris Jones is much dumber than I imagined.

ptlyon 08-22-2023 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by milkshock (Post 17068277)
Who the **** are you again?


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Quesadilla Joe 08-22-2023 03:00 PM

It would be beneficial for both sides to get a deal done now. KC gets to lower his high cap number this year and Jones gets to get his final big $$$ deal.

Sassy Squatch 08-22-2023 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17068272)
It's not smart to not pay elite players. Eventually, it will catch up to you.

Plus, I don't really understand the thought of "trade him and get draft picks so we can have cheap players and they'll be good cause we draft so well".

Why not just keep said player and keep drafting well?

We do pay elite players though. We just don't pay them a second time. Which going through NFL history is pretty obviously the correct way of conducting business.

RunKC 08-22-2023 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17068272)
It's not smart to not pay elite players. Eventually, it will catch up to you.

Plus, I don't really understand the thought of "trade him and get draft picks so we can have cheap players and they'll be good cause we draft so well".

Why not just keep said player and keep drafting well?

Why not?

1. He wants insane money, apparently $30 million.
2. An injury to him ****s your entire team bc of resources in one player (see Buffalo once Von got hurt).
3. He's got maybe 3 years left of being this good before the decline and we get one of them this season.
4. Having 4 solid rushers instead of one great one isn't the end of the world for us.

Follow the tea leaves. Drafted Karlaftis, turned around and drafted FAU, reportedly wanted DT Mazi Smith in the draft, signed Omenihu who is one of the better interior rushers on passing downs.

They've known about this and have been preparing for it

TwistedChief 08-22-2023 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe (Post 17068271)
Smart for Jones to make this push for his last big $$$ deal now, before he turns 30. The tag number for DT’s was only $18.9M this year, KC would love to have him play at that number next year.

As always, you have absolutely no clue what you’re talking about. Kindly return to your hole while the grown-ups discuss football.

duncan_idaho 08-22-2023 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Sassy Snatch (Post 17068282)
We do pay elite players though. We just don't pay them a second time. Which going through NFL history is pretty obviously the correct way of conducting business.


I think they fully expected to pay Jones. Had they not, they would have traded him and done something with the $20M in savings and picks to help this year.

His demands changed when the paper was presented for a pen. Clearly.

Skyy God 08-22-2023 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 17068288)
I think they fully expected to pay Jones. Had they not, they would have traded him and done something with the $20M in savings and picks to help this year.

His demands changed when the paper was presented for a pen. Clearly.

I had that happen last week.

Worked out a good deal (that the party had agreed to previously). Then backed out the next day.

It’s no fun for anyone.

DJay23 08-22-2023 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 17068288)
I think they fully expected to pay Jones. Had they not, they would have traded him and done something with the $20M in savings and picks to help this year.

His demands changed when the paper was presented for a pen. Clearly.

A lot of people seem to think trading him now was a part of the plan. If they wanted to trade him, like you said, it would have been before the draft so they could have made preparations for this season. Trading him now puts our D in quite a bind. It isn't built to exist without Chris Jones at the moment.

Balto 08-22-2023 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DJay23 (Post 17068291)
A lot of people seem to think trading him now was a part of the plan. If they wanted to trade him, like you said, it would have been before the draft so they could have made preparations for this season. Trading him now puts our D in quite a bind. It isn't built to exist without Chris Jones at the moment.

You trade him now if you get a great offer.

allen_kcCard 08-22-2023 03:16 PM

I am guessing Jones doesn't want to get traded, so he didn't show his hand on the holdout until so late in the process so they wouldn't explore that option.

Feels like it is very late in the game of playing chicken, and the much bigger side is about to plow through the other if they refuse to break.

O.city 08-22-2023 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17068285)
Why not?

1. He wants insane money, apparently $30 million.
2. An injury to him ****s your entire team bc of resources in one player (see Buffalo once Von got hurt).
3. He's got maybe 3 years left of being this good before the decline and we get one of them this season.
4. Having 4 solid rushers instead of one great one isn't the end of the world for us.

Follow the tea leaves. Drafted Karlaftis, turned around and drafted FAU, reportedly wanted DT Mazi Smith in the draft, signed Omenihu who is one of the better interior rushers on passing downs.

They've known about this and have been preparing for it

I wouldn't pay 30, sure.

The Bills have 3 or 4 pass rushers they drafted similar to Karlaftis and FAU, but carry on.

3 years of elite DPOY DT play is worth paying for

Having 4 solid rushers is fine, why can't we have that along with an elite one like they'd budgeted in for this year?

They brought in DL because the guys they drafted either didn't work out or left.


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