Yes, definitely a good group of guys in here.

This is just straight insincere. There is NOBODY in house that can give the Royals a replica of what Santana did in '13. Hopefully this is just some form of super secret double probation GM talk.

If not, then GMDM just needs to come out and say it - "My boss has refused to give me any more money to sign players."

You ****ing sassing us with sarcasm, brah???!!!

Refusing to re-engage Santana is disappointing, especially on a 1 year deal. But at least things are moving toward a draft pick.

While this seems to be absolutely true, there is one problem. A lot of people, not just the Royals, seem to believe that not even Santana can repeat what Santana did last year. I'm basing this off of his very inconsistent career ERA-wise. He has a very high ceiling, no doubt, but a very low floor as well.

But on a low-risk 1 year deal.. yeah I don't have much else to say. Frustrating.


Just trying to make sense of this..

Man, I'd still rather invest long term in Santana then Shields. Leading the league in innings pitched year after year. There's been a few dude's whose arms held up, but not too many

Well for 5 million for a small market like the Royals, for a reliever, that's crippling, in my opinion. And, while the injury to Luke was just sad and sucks for everyone involved, that's just piss-poor management by Dayton Moore and the Royals.

Part of the job of a GM is to not throw your owner under the bus, and to stick to your budget without explicitely saying you have a hard budget.

If you can't or won't do that, you won't be a GM, especially for a small-market team.

An argument can actually be made that Vargas might be the better pitcher. Santana's highs are higher than Vargas, but Vargas won't give up the amazing number of home runs that Santana did in Orange County.

"crippling" is defined as a career-ender in the first few years of a Pujols type of deal. You might be thinking that the insurance only costs 50k or something, but that may not be the case.

This isn't some blunder by the royals, it is widespread MLB practice to rarely take out these insurance policies for any but the richest of contracts. Apparently the pricing and restrictions for baseball player insurance is so unattractive, that you don't buy the insurance unless you really have to. $5MM for 1 year is not even remotely crippling for any team. The insurance company is not a non-profit, they aren't going to price the contract at a break-even. If you are going to write this kind of a weird exotic policy without a lot of Actuarial data, you are going to demand a lot of expected ROI.

No, but if you want to come at me, COME AT ME bro!!!

Looking like something might happen as early as today. Reports this morning that he has a 1 year deal in place for $14 million with an unnamed AL team. Has to be disappointing for Erv in a big picture, but with as desperate as things have gotten for him I'd have to consider that a slight WIN.

At the end of the day, he's going to be getting a contract at the same value as the QO he turned down months ago. But it's a lot better than some of the speculation of late once he said he was willing to play on another 1 year deal.

Do we still get the draft pick?

Cheap ****ers. I hate the ****ing Glass family.


Dollars to donuts our comp pick is in 50's... because at this point those are the teams willing to give up a pick and the money.

Yes, we'll still get a comp pick. The only way we wouldn't, unless I misunderstand the rules, is if he waited to sign until after the draft.