Like any SEC fan could fit into that shirt

There is an argument to be made for it in college sports (I don’t subscribe to it but, it is a legitimate argument) but, there is no logical reason for it the pros.

College Football/Basketball doesn’t exist.

The NFL and college football are apples and oranges.

One has always had a true playoff. No matter what, one team from your conference will make it to the championship. TV contracts, apparel, etc are negotiated as a league. The AFC West (or any division) is secure for the next 200 years. The draft supplies all teams/conferences with the same opportunity for obtaining talent. Rooting against your conference rivals makes so much more sense in the pro leagues.

College on the other hand, is every conference for itself. All conferences are competition to one another for dollars, recruits, bowls and now playoff access.

Conference foes winning national championships, bowls and games against other conferences helps the rest of the league, financially and their status.

With that said, it matters more for the B12, P12, ACC etc. so ISU or Tech fans were probably rooting for KU in the final four. On the other hand, I’m sure most of the SEC teams feel secure enough in their conference, that it makes much less sense for them to root for one another.

There's only one conference that has a nerd-bundle of sticks chant, and it ain't the B12 or P12 or ACC.

SEC goons love putting their tongue up Bama's ass and tasting their success second-hand. mutt losers like PGM were definitely jizzing over this last title game and saying stuff like "I don't care who pulls it out, it's a win for the conference either way!!"

It's one thing to want a conference to do well versus actively rooting for rival teams in the name of conference pride.

And it's plain silly to think Big 12 teams should all be rooting for each other in the name of the Big 12 not disbanding, since over a decade later it still hasn't happened.


As far as college vs pro, I think a case could be made that there's actually less reason to care about NFL divisional rivalries these days (as opposed to say the old school Chiefs/Raiders games where you could physically assault players from the other team).

You go to high school and hate the cross town high school... then you go to college and hate the college that's miles apart or in the next state over. And you know people who go to those schools and find reasons to hate them, too.

I personally have very little reason to hate the Broncos or people in Denver, especially in the past 20+ years... and even less so for people in LA or Oakland or Vegas or wherever the Raiders will be playing in 10 years.

College sports transcend the up and down years... Auburn can suck and still ruin Alabama's entire season. Broncos suck for a decade or more and..... meh? Maybe they win in October one year?

I root for the Big12 in football and March madness. Obviously if Kansas and Iowa State matched up in the tournament I’d root against Kansas. But yeah the Big12 needs all the wins it can get post season. I always rooted for Oklahoma or Cincinnati in the playoffs. Hoped TCU and/OR Baylor would have gotten in the first ever playoff.

I think it’s more important than ever now that someone emerges in the new Big12 and wins some playoff games or more.

I definitely rooted for Baylor in the college basketball championship game but a lot of that is screw Gonzaga and their pretender paper tiger asses

If I invest myself in rooting against your team during the entire season, then **** your team in the playoffs too.

It’s a sliding scale of hate. I did root for Baylor in the Championship. They haven’t really ever been a threat other than that year. And it really is amazing what Drew has been able to do from going from covering up murder to a contender (at the time). And **** Gonzaga and whoever the media darling is.

I was rooting for Tech against Puke. I rooted hard there.

I rooted for TCU against Zona too. **** them they deserve that shit too.

But I laughed as hard as anybody at MU getting dumped by Norfolk State. I was thrilled when Durants UT team choked it out. Same with Griffins OU team.

Odds are I’m rooting for Big 12 against Puke or Carolina or whatever team is particularly annoying.

Exactly... Baylor's just about the least hatable team in the Big 12. I've wanted them to do well in football in the past just to **** over Texas and OU, and for years watching Drew waste away talent was more sad than anything.

It really comes down to the Big 8 + Texas. There might be a lesser-than-two-evils situation or maybe I want a team to advance so Kansas has a shot at them... but, those were the schools I grew up hating.

KU football is too pathetic to get worked up about.

K State and Missouri basketball is too pathetic to get worked up about.

So I don't really see the Jayhawks as having a good rivalry.

But I do want the Big 12 to crush other conferences in BB because more top ranked teams mean more nationally televised games for KU.

I guess I'll say that I will root for a conference team from an upset standpoint, like TCU/Arizona, but not because TCU was Big XII, rather because I always want the low seeds to win to help out KU.

Agreed.

I don't like it but I understand the reasoning. A playoff spot can be dependent on how conference mates performed in previous playoff spots or OOC games.

Fortunately, as an Army fan, I don't have to worry about that. :D

We just show up and beat Missouri in bowl games.

John Canzano:

I cringed when I heard UCLA and USC announce they were leaving the Pac-12 Conference in 2024. I’m a traditionalist and I lamented the loss the more than 100 years of conference history.

I was also initially skeptical when I heard politicians might get involved in an attempt to block UCLA’s departure to the Big Ten Conference. But the more I talk with lawmakers, the more I believe the Bruins’ biggest athletic battle this season will take place in Sacramento.

California Gov. Gavin Newsom isn’t happy that he didn’t know about UCLA’s departure. Maybe it’s posturing, maybe not. But what’s clear is that Newsom is fired up and wondering why the move wasn’t discussed and debated with the University of California Regents.

More than one athletic department source at UCLA confessed to me that they were surprised the defection news didn’t leak a few weeks before the announcement.

Mike Baumgartner is a former State Senator in Washington. He’s served on a variety of educational and sports committees. He’s closely following the development and sees some troubles forming on the horizon for the Bruins.

“The UC Regents themselves didn’t know what UCLA was up to and no public vote was taken,” Baumgartner said. “It’s still unclear what the majority of them think, but they could do anything from stop it outright to vote to make UCLA athletics subsidize and financial damage to Cal.”

A subsidy would be an interesting compromise. It would penalize UCLA and bolster Cal, but it wouldn’t ease the anxiety of the bondholders of the UC system. The Bruins stand to rake in somewhere between $75 million to $100 million in annual media rights revenue under the Big Ten’s TV deal with Fox. Would having to share revenue with Cal give UCLA pause? Or just serve as a speed bump?

Baumgartner’s alliance is with the Washington schools. But his expertise puts him in a unique position here. He knows the back channels and understands the dynamics better than most. He cautioned me to not listen too carefully to Political Science professors who are busy going on the record with various news outlets saying the Newsom doesn’t have the authority to block the move.

“Nobody knows less about how politics actually works than poli-sci professors,” Baumgartner said. “The leverage a Governor has over a public university is immense. If Newsom doesn’t want UCLA to go, they won’t be going.”

I’m sort of interested to see how the Bruins would perform in football in the Big Ten. They’ve been to one bowl game in the last six seasons and haven’t played in a Rose Bowl since 1998.

Chip Kelly went 8-4 last season and I think his team is going to be competitive again this season, but how many games would UCLA win in a typical Big Ten football season?

TV money is great. And you’d rather not be left behind in college football’s minor leagues(ACC/Big 12), but I can tell you the remaining 10 universities in the Pac-12 are buzzing about how challenging football will be for the Bruins.

6-6?

7-5?

What’s “making it” in the Big Ten for the Bruins’ football program? UCLA has won more than seven games only once in the last six seasons while playing in the Pac-12.

If the resolution here ends up being a heavy subsidy, it’s possible UCLA is facing a lose-lose situation. If UCLA leaves for the Big Ten, gets its teeth kicked in, spends significant revenue on the extra travel, and has to cut Cal a check at the end, is that really a win?

Said Baumgartner: “UCLA’s leadership will be cowering for forgiveness.”

I’ll update with more as this develops.


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Another idiot writer who can't see the big picture.

CFB is quickly becoming Tier 1 or Tier Irrelevant. The PAC 12 payouts will ensure that every remaining member will join Tier Irrelevant.

USC and UCLA have won by leaving. The future records be damned. They are on the right side of the future separation.

New Conference re-alignment thread
 

After listening to SEC Commissioner Greg Sankey today I believe the new playoff format is probably rolled out in 2024/25 when the new tv contracts are renegotiated.

I think there will be 4 major conferences with an 12 team playoff. The SEC/B1G champs & runner ups getting byes with 8 at large teams filling out the field.

SEC sticks with 16, B1G sticks with 16.

The remaining PAC 10 members invite BYU, Texas Tech, Baylor & Okie State to join. There is a history there with 3 of those teams flirting with the PAC. This is KU & KSU’s best bet for a conference if offered.

ACC decides to expand to 20, landing UCF, Cincinnati, WVU, and Notre Dame.

That would essentially leave the Big 12 as KU, KSU, Houston, TCU & Iowa State.

KU has been rumored to have reached out to the ACC, B1G, and SEC but they are still on the sidelines of realignment.

Unfortunately, besides a basketball program with a very shady recent history, they don’t have anything to sell besides their AAU membership. KSU is probably screwed.

I believe it was Andy Maples who suggested KU join the Big East except for football and become an independent in football.

Scary times in the state of Kansas.

I think the whole KU/KSU narrative is a testament to how investment in infrastructure is more important than actually success on the court/field.


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John Canzano:

The Big 12 reportedly informed the Pac-12 on Monday evening that it’s not interested in merging.

A few quick thoughts…

• I’m not shocked. I felt like a Big 12 + Pac-12 merger was wishful thinking. There’s strength in numbers, sure. But ultimately this is about fit and I struggled to see how those two conferences would mesh in a way that worked for both entities.

• The Pac-12 (minus USC and UCLA) will have 12.5 million television households in its remaining markets. The Big 12 currently has only 10.2 million TV homes, but will expand to about 15 million after the additions of BYU, Central Florida, Cincinnati, and Houston. Keep those numbers in mind.

• The ACC has 28.2 million households. It’s TV markets are superior to the Big 12 and its not close. Also, the ACC already has a partnership with ESPN, which covets inventory in the Pacific Time Zone.

• I’ve wondered for a while how the Big 12 might fit in a new deal between ESPN and the Pac-12. Answer: It really doesn’t.

• The Big 12 and Pac-12 university presidents and chancellors didn’t feel like a seamless fit. Those who lead the Pac-12 campuses fashion themselves academics and lined up with the Big Ten over the years because of that.

• I’ve been writing and talking about a “loose partnership” between the Pac-12 and the ACC for a couple of weeks. I still believe this is headed in that direction.

• The Big 12’s television contract isn’t up until 2025. The Pac-12’s expires in 2024, but it has opened negotiations early. Those in the industry tell me this difference shouldn’t have been a deal breaker but it’s being cited as one of the reasons.

Bob Thompson, the former president of Fox Sports Networks, told me on Monday night, “If the Big 12 TV partners agreed to open negotiations early that could easily happen before 2024. Nothing precludes an early negotiation as long as parties agree.”

So it just sounds like a merger wasn’t a good fit.

Added Thompson: “So now we see if somebody plays ‘Let’s poach some teams.’”

• There was early speculation that the Big 12 might chase Arizona State, Arizona, Utah and Colorado. But media reports about that were shot down by my Pac-12 sources. I won’t speak for all four of those schools, but the prevailing sentiment from athletic directors within the Pac-12 is that the remaining 10 universities will stick together and ride out the current media rights negotiations together. I’ll make some calls and report back with updates.

• Phoenix’s TV market has 2.1 million households. I’ve wondered for a while if ASU might try to leverage the Pac-12 for a larger share of the next media rights deal. That said, I have a difficult time actually seeing ASU bolt for the Big 12.

• The Big 12 programs that I think the Pac-12 (and ESPN) would be most interested in are: Kansas, Baylor, TCU and Houston. If the Pac-12 goes hunting, I expect those universities to be primary targets. This is 100-percent about potential television revenue.

• I included Kansas because I think ESPN would covet men’s basketball matchups featuring the ACC’s Duke and North Carolina and the Pac-12’s Arizona and Oregon. Kansas would be an interesting addition.

• The Pac-12 is in an exclusive negotiating period with the ESPN and Fox. That window expires on Aug. 4, but I’m told the parties could come to an agreement before then.

• ESPN is the likely bidder here. Think about what that network needs. It has to think about the restless members in the ACC and how it might get them some additional revenue right now. A partnership with the Pac-12 makes sense to me. Sharing revenue with the Big 12 (Read: more mouths to feed) doesn’t.

• Pac-12 Media Day is July 29 in Los Angeles. Commissioner George Kliavkoff needs something to sell to the public during that event. I expect he’ll have something of substance. I don’t think we’re going to have to wait until Aug. 4.

More as this develops…


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California might sue to block the two cali schools from leaving the pac 12

Notre Lame could help the Big 12 get a lucrative new TV contract from NBC… maybe.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Notre Dame targeting $75 million annual media rights payout in quest to remain independent. Big 12 would be used to enhance contract with NBC. <a href="https://t.co/Do0GY2YbwU">https://t.co/Do0GY2YbwU</a> <a href="https://t.co/zuourq7GJZ">https://t.co/zuourq7GJZ</a></p>&mdash; Dennis Dodd (@dennisdoddcbs) <a href="https://twitter.com/dennisdoddcbs/status/1549113956169572354?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 18, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I don't know. KU seems to be doing ok.


https://a.espncdn.com/photo/2022/040...6x729_16-9.jpg

You aren't supposed to enjoy that.

You’re right. It’s better to celebrate the conference than individual accolades.

Sorry, I keep forgetting how dumb winning national titles is.

AFC West!

I always take pride when a team from the West wins.

LMAO

PAC messed up declining to merge with the Big12 last year. Now it’s the PAC who wants to merge and the Big12 said “nope, we’ll just take a few of your schools instead”

The reason KU won the title: it just means more to us.

Notre Dame is seeking 75 million annually from NBC to stay independent. Think that ultimately ends up with them going to the contingent that prefers they stay independent no matter what and saying it just doesn't make sense not to join the BIG. That's assuming, of course, NBC balks at that number.

Lol you're a moron

More eyeballs on KU football last year than on Mizzou.

SEC!SEC!SEC!
https://medium.com/run-it-back-with-...1-49ef4f315858

Army was 16 spots higher than the Tigers.

And they weren't have reached spot #60 without our bowl game matchup. You are welcome, Missouri. :thumb:

And the reason they didn’t merge with us last year is because USC/UCLA knew they wanted out.

Gonna hit different when they gotta vacate it

Why does Kansas only have 4 titles then?

We were busy having sex.

With women.

Checkmate.

Bragging about tagging family members?

Oh no it's the Rupp Rafters Massey Prenup of arguments! KU "only" has four titles. Saying this is supposed to make us mad about Helms titles as if four titles is such a small amount that we'd be forced to defend a bread company title. As if any of us care about defending Helms titles.

Nice try. And nice first round exit. Gonna run another coach out of Lexington?

What's that 15 seed defeatee and NIT first round loser?

Besides, he forgot that 2020 title.

Sorry, not a Raiders fan.

LMAO

Yeah, because that makes sense.

Almost as much sense as you not paying for it.

Titles are the only things that matter. Anything short of that is failure. PB said the title just means more to KU, so why haven’t they won more?

I’m curious what happens first: Calipari leaves or Self is forced out due to a FBI investigation?

The same sorry ass 15 seed defeatee beat the champions at the Phog?

Self wins another title with KU or Calipari fails to qualify for the NCAA?

Calipari will win his second title with Kentucky before Self wins his 3rd at Kansas.

I put Self winning another title at Kansas as more likely than Calipari missing the NCAA tournament again unless he has volatility to the extent Roy did at UNC.

This years tourney. It just means more to us.

Is there a reason some folks on Rupp Rafters call him CCC, Can't Coach Cal?

Is it because he in fact, doesn't know how to coach and just says RUN! and GO!?

If titles are the only thing that matters then why were total wins #1 on The List




...were.

Let me help you make sense of it.

Raiders fans **** their relatives.

You're welcome.

Kansas claims it?

No. But it's fun to muck about with the rubes that root for Mizzou, KSU, and other lesser types.

Yeah, your projection of the behavior of Mizzou fans, and some KC Chiefs fans, onto other fan bases is hysterical.

Keep flogging that dead pony.

Kansas was short handed and it was the regular season. I guess that's all that matters to you rather than titles? Except you now don't even have that overall wins #1 spot either.

Honestly you are starting to sound like a fan of a lesser program.

No, I just don’t understand your mental gymnastics. By your logic, Bradley>Kansas, right? And UNI>Kansas? Evansville>Kentucky, too. And Stephen F. Austin>Duke.

If we’re using the short handed excuse, Grady, Wheeler; and Washington were all playing hurt from January on(including the Kansas game). But I won’t do that. Losing to St. Peter’s should have never happened.

Last I checked, Kentucky has more titles than Kansas, too, by the way.

Enjoy the fun while you still can before the sanctions come and continue gloating (as you should). Doesn’t bother me.

Also, a lesser program wouldn’t have a better head to head since Calipari’s been there vs Kansas (5 wins for UK vs 4 for Kansas).

But you’re right, natty outweighs regular season success. I just tried bringing it up as a red herring. ;)

IU fans do the same shit with 2011-2012.

8 titles lulz. Congrats on winning three titles when there were 8 team tourneys, win one to go to the FF (jerkoff motion)

In the modern era when the tourney expanded to 64 in 1985, we each have 3.

Does Duke go back to pre-K levels of success?

Kansas, Kentucky, UNC have all won titles with multiple coaches (as has UCLA and Villanova).

Do you think the CCC moniker is apt or unfair from your kentucky brethren?

Unfair. Cal’s actually a very good coach, both recruiting wise and coaching on the court wise.

Look at what he did with his early UMass teams, what he’s done at Memphis, and at Kentucky overall.

If coaches won only by talent, how come Memphis hasn’t done anything with Penny?

I just saw a Barstool article where a Kentucky fan is thrashing a mutt football player and their funny program. I enjoyed it.

Titled 'It's Honestly Sad Listening To This Mizzou DB Desperately Try To Create A Rivalry By Ranting About How Much He Hates Kentucky'

https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/...hates-kentucky

Cal's one shining moment? Overwhelming talent won the day.

In years where his talent collection is good, but not great, he loses early.

It will be very interesting to see how Duke fairs post K.

Duke fans would have us believe K has been a mere figurehead for years.

He’s made it to the Elite 8 in 7/12 tournaments at UK.

For reference, Self has made the Elite 8 9 times since he’s been at Kansas and the Final 4 as many time as Cal has.

So, does that mean Self loses early, too?

Even if he was just a figurehead, was it the Duke brand or coach K brand bringing in players?

Guess we will find out.

Yeah, it will be very interesting, especially as long as Self and Calipari are in place as well as UNC with Davis and UCLA’s sudden renaissance.

Kentucky also might have Calipari’s best class at Kentucky coming in for 2023, too.

Self has under performed his seeding a bit. But still a relatively small sample size, crap shoot, and all that.

It's not like every #1 seed makes it to the final four every year...

Besides, he forgot that 2020 title

They should claim a #1 Banner and hang it in the rafters with all the other Banners.

I know, but if the argument is Calipari has underachieved, he’s really only had one massive choke job in the tournament. He usually makes it to at least the second weekend every year.

K’s 5 > UK’s 8 > Wooden’s 10

I see the sting and embarrassment of losing to an absolute DOG SHIT team in the first round has abated enough to care about UK basketball again. Nice.

Remember when Kansas lost to 14 seed Bucknell and 13 seed Bradley in the first round in 2 consecutive tournaments?

Pepperidge Farms remembers.


Considering Wooden was being bankrolled by a realtor, I can get behind that argument to an extent.

Of course I remember that. What I don't remember is ****ing KU fan dunces claiming they are not fans of KU basketball anyway, which was my point about you.

I’m guessing we don’t hear anything until August. PAC has exclusive negotiating rights with Fox and ESPN until the beginning of August, then others can put in bids. Big12’s new commissioner officially starts August first even though obviously he’s already involved.

After the PAC gets their best offers I’m sure schools will be scrambling to jump to the Big12 assuming the B1G and SEC don’t take them. I think the Big12 ends up with 4-6 PAC schools then wait until the ACC gets raided and add a few more.

John Canzano:

Q: What happens to the Big 12 if/when the Pac-12 raids and steals their top four teams? — @benwilkinson

A: There’s a lot of Big 12 vs. Pac-12 sentiment out there. I don’t think your scenario spells the end of the Big 12, necessarily, but would it force that conference to take on new partners that don’t bring as much media-rights value. The Big 12 TV footprint isn’t great as it stands. Access to the College Football Playoff becomes problematic, too. But I think we’re going to see turmoil and uncertainty for the next few years before things settle down.

Q: When it all comes down to it, what do you think will ultimately save the Pac 12? — @vakaviti

A: The same thing that threatens it — television. ESPN and a potential streaming partner (ESPN+ or Amazon or Apple TV+) are now the solution. Also, some good leadership. Commissioner George Kliavkoff spent his first year connecting with campus leaders across the Pac-12. That generated some good will, but now it’s time to slide into visionary mode and lead.

Q: Any chance the remaining Pac-10 ADs and presidents declare UCLA and USC ineligible for conference championships in their final two seasons? I know the answer is ‘no’ but it sure would feed my vindictiveness. — @CenterFielder3

A: The Bruins and Trojans are contractually bound to the Pac-12 through the summer of 2024. The parties could negotiate an early out, but there’s no kicking USC and UCLA out of the conference without compensation. If it makes you feel better, I suspect the football teams at USC and UCLA will be met with hostility on the road this season.

Q: What are the chances of unequal revenue sharing? — @hmckee53

A: An imbalanced split of media revenue feels like it is very much on the table. Minimally, it’s being discussed. I suspect Washington, Arizona, Stanford, Cal and ASU feel entitled to larger than an equal share because of their TV markets. I also think Oregon believes its brand merits additional compensation. They all have leverage right now.

Q: Phil Knight’s impact on UO and Duck sports specifically are massive. But while we hope he lives forever for all of the positive things he does, have he and/or the university talked about what happens after he’s gone? Will the Ducks and their brand take a big step back? — @robbieparness

A: Phil and Penny Knight have given more than $1 billion to the University of Oregon over the years. In 2021, they stepped up with $500 million more for the Knight Campus. Insiders tell me there is already a plan in place for a massive endowment from Knight that would continue to subsidize UO’s athletic department. I’ll have more on this in the coming weeks.

Q: Will hot pretzels return to Autzen this year? They weren’t part of last season’s reduced menu, and I was surprised how much I missed them. I can’t wait to watch a game in person, forget about realignment and enjoy the little things that make game day special. — @WoodburnDuck

A: I am on the “hot pretzel” beat now. I loved this question. And you’re right, it’s the little things that make a college football Saturday. If Autzen Stadium doesn’t bring the pretzels back, I will lead the crusade for their return.

Q: Amazon’s relationship with CBS/Paramount+ is intriguing. There’s a possible avenue to network-TV there, which I assume is still important. Despite the social media nonsense (I HAVE SOURCES) why would there be any other movement before other outlets can get involved after Aug 4? — @SteinerLine36

A: ESPN and Fox are in an exclusive, 30-day negotiating period with the Pac-12 that ends Aug. 4. There’s incentive for ESPN, particularly, to come with a strong Tier 1 offer and get the primary deal done without bidding against others. But I’d expect the streaming part of this could take additional time because the Pac-12 would want to talk with Amazon, Apple, etc. and let the market weigh in.

Q: What about adding Hawaii as football only to sell last time slot of the night as part of package to ESPN and then adding Gonzaga as member for all other sports? Bay Area schools not go for Gonzaga? — @ReedJones

A: Football is driving 80-85 percent of the revenue in college athletics. Gonzaga is a great basketball brand, but it doesn’t move the needle for television without football involved. Hawaii has only 445,000 television households in its market. That makes UH a long shot. That late college football TV window is probably more likely to go to a Pac-12 program in a much larger TV market kicking off at 7 p.m. or 7:30 p.m.

Q: Is there a trickle-down effect for FCS football when the FBS completely changes? Also what sport other than football gets the biggest change due to realignment? — @TylerHergert

A: I spoke to a number of Big Sky Conference sources who tell me they’re not worried… for now. There will always be a need among FBS members for lucrative payday football games. The FCS members are focused on ensuring they continue to receive revenue from the NCAA Tournament. As long as they keep access to the college basketball tournaments and that TV money, the FCS members should be OK.

Q: If the Pac-12 expands, how important is getting into the Central Time Zone? Or is it more important to lock down California? — @RoaringForkDvl

A: I took a deep dive on why television markets matter a couple of weeks ago. If you try to think like a TV executive, the strategy makes sense. ESPN needs content in the Pacific Time Zone. But if a Mountain or Central Time Zone university can add value to a TV contract, they become important.




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It’s funny they think raiding the Big12 is even an option. Sure, the B1G and SEC could if there was anyone else they wanted. No one’s leaving the Big12 for the PAC or ACC though.

Pac 12 is AIDS.

They just lost their top two. No one cares about college sports in their largest remaining TV markets. At least 3 of the schools (Stanford, Oregon and UW) want out.

Why not? The Big 12 has to carry like 4-5 sacks of shit schools around.

Outside of Kansas, the bottom of the Big12 is better than any conference. They are the most competitive league top to bottom and have been for awhile. The Big12’s problem is it doesn’t have Alabama or Ohio State, because the media only cares about the top school(s).

The Big12 had the benefit of being poached last year, and were able to bring in the best available. The Big12 also benefits from people actually watching their games unlike most of the PAC. The PAC has been the worst conference for awhile, and losing USC and UCLA days before entering media right negotiations isn’t going to make it better.

The PAC wanted to merge with the Big12 and the Big12 rejected just days ago. How can anyone think the PAC is better? Fox has no interest in negotiating with the PAC, but their head honcho went out of his way to congratulate the new Big12 commissioner and said he can’t wait to work with him. There’s also rumors of CBS and Amazon wanting the Big12. Hell there’s rumors ESPN wants to over pay for the Big12 network(converting the LHN) just to get Oklahoma and Texas to the SEC earlier.

Yet there’s been no rumors of interest in the PAC so far. Just that Fox has no interest and ESPN is lowballing them.