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KevB 07-13-2014 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudy lost the toss (Post 10745489)
****, I hate Alonzo Gee. Worst offseason ever. **** sports.

Non-guaranteed contract, he'll probably get cut.

chiefzilla1501 07-13-2014 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by KevB (Post 10745578)
He chased assets when he had none. Go back and look at that roster before Lin/Asik/Harden. Morey swung for the fences this off-season and it didn't work out. If he gets Bosh and they keep Parsons, he's a genuis. I'd love having him as my GM. The number of good moves greatly exceed the bad ones in his case.

Great moves? He signs Omer Asik to a massive contract and then decides to run a pick and roll offense even though he's one of the clumsiest catchers in the game. He overpays for Jeremy Lin and then trades for James Harden, a guy who completely takes Lin's game away. They then sign Dwight Howard, a guy who bitches when he's not in the post who now has to play in a pick and roll offense.

Then, despite James Harden being a complete disaster on defense, they think the next big move is to add Melo who also sucks on defense. Despite the fact that Harden is notorious for holding onto the ball, they think Melo (another guy who holds onto the ball) is a good idea. Despite the fact that Howard was already getting whiny because of touches, they think it's a good idea to have two guys in Melo and Harden who hold onto the ball for an eternity.

The moves haven't made any sense. Bosh would have been an outstanding move. Ariza is a terrific move too. But let's not forget that the only reason they made those moves is by admitting a huge mistake in Lin and Asik who were both purged to make room for a big free agent they couldn't get, and that the only reason they would have gotten Bosh is because they didn't land Lebron or Melo.

KevB 07-13-2014 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 10745625)
Great moves? He signs Omer Asik to a massive contract and then decides to run a pick and roll offense even though he's one of the clumsiest catchers in the game. He overpays for Jeremy Lin and then trades for James Harden, a guy who completely takes Lin's game away. They then sign Dwight Howard, a guy who bitches when he's not in the post who now has to play in a pick and roll offense.

Then, despite James Harden being a complete disaster on defense, they think the next big move is to add Melo who also sucks on defense. Despite the fact that Harden is notorious for holding onto the ball, they think Melo (another guy who holds onto the ball) is a good idea. Despite the fact that Howard was already getting whiny because of touches, they think it's a good idea to have two guys in Melo and Harden who hold onto the ball for an eternity.

The moves haven't made any sense. Bosh would have been an outstanding move. Ariza is a terrific move too. But let's not forget that the only reason they made those moves is by admitting a huge mistake in Lin and Asik who were both purged to make room for a big free agent they couldn't get, and that the only reason they would have gotten Bosh is because they didn't land Lebron or Melo.

First, I said "good moves" not "great moves". Signing Lin to a poison pill contract was creative but turned out to be mediocre at best, but Lin was a risk/reward play at a time they had very few playmakers (Harden wasn't there yet). Asik is a very good player, it was a good move at the time it was made. The Harden trade was one of the all time trades; do you not make that trade because you'll have some duplication with Lin? Of course not. He drafted Parsons in the 2nd round. He signed Beverly off the scrap heap. He took the risk on Howard, knowing he could move on from Asik if that duo didn't work. Do you not sign Howard because you have some duplication with Asik?

As for putting Melo with Harden and Howard....I think it could have worked with the right coach. Harden is a willing passer. Melo, when he's played with other great players (Olympics), has been outstanding. When it became apparent Bosh may be available, they put on a full court press. They rolled the dice for either Melo or Bosh and it didn't work. I'd rather my team be aggressive than not.

chiefzilla1501 07-13-2014 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by KevB (Post 10745641)
First, I said "good moves" not "great moves". Signing Lin to a poison pill contract was creative but turned out to be mediocre at best, but Lin was a risk/reward play at a time they had very few playmakers (Harden wasn't there yet). Asik is a very good player, it was a good move at the time it was made. The Harden trade was one of the all time trades; do you not make that trade because you'll have some duplication with Lin? Of course not. He drafted Parsons in the 2nd round. He signed Beverly off the scrap heap. He took the risk on Howard, knowing he could move on from Asik if that duo didn't work. Do you not sign Howard because you have some duplication with Asik?

As for putting Melo with Harden and Howard....I think it could have worked with the right coach. Harden is a willing passer. Melo, when he's played with other great players (Olympics), has been outstanding. When it became apparent Bosh may be available, they put on a full court press. They rolled the dice for either Melo or Bosh and it didn't work. I'd rather my team be aggressive than not.

A few years ago, people wondered why Amare and Melo couldn't co-exist. It's because they use the same exact space. While I agree that to some extent, you have to make the system fit the players, you have to be conscious of the system. I just don't see that here. They're just going after the top free agents and trying to jam them into the system, and then you have a whole bunch of guys who don't want to play next to each other.

Again, I do really like moves like Bosh and Ariza. At least that feels like they have a plan in place. I don't like them going after Melo. Harden and Melo want the ball a lot, and they prefer to hold the ball and make a move. Howard bitches when he doesn't get the ball. I just don't like the dynamic.

PunkinDrublic 07-14-2014 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 10745340)
Last time I checked the Rockets have more championships than the Mavericks.

Houston won two forgettable championships by default when Jordan retired and the talent level was down. Mavs beat a very good Heat team.

KC native 07-14-2014 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by PunkinDrublic (Post 10745792)
Houston won two forgettable championships by default when Jordan retired and the talent level was down. Mavs beat a very good Heat team.

And both the rockets and mavs will always be the Spurs bitches. :thumb:

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 07-14-2014 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by PunkinDrublic (Post 10745792)
Houston won two forgettable championships by default when Jordan retired and the talent level was down. Mavs beat a very good Heat team.

Shaq beat Jordan. Hakeem demolished Shaq.

The 94-95 team would have raped the Dirks

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 07-14-2014 08:45 AM

And if any team was winning when the talent level was down, it was the Spurs.

KC native 07-14-2014 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Rudy lost the toss (Post 10745824)
And if any team was winning when the talent level was down, it was the Spurs.

jealous rockets fan is jealous.

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 07-14-2014 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by KC native (Post 10745830)
jealous rockets fan is jealous.

Maybe, but it's true. Even the national team was dogshit during the spurs 02-07 run

okcchief 07-14-2014 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 10743727)
Why did they offer that contract? Serious question.

I suppose they thought he was the defense presence they needed to beat the Lakers at the time. Problem is the Lakers faded and the top teams didn't really have a big man. Except Memphis. I don't think we get past them either year without Perkins or someone like him. As much as I hate Perkins it's really more about his inflated contract and Brooks over use of him.

PunkinDrublic 07-14-2014 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudy lost the toss (Post 10745809)
Shaq beat Jordan. Hakeem demolished Shaq.

The 94-95 team would have raped the Dirks

It was Jordan's first year back. Beating the Magic wasn't that impressive. Houston sucks.

TEX 07-14-2014 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by PunkinDrublic (Post 10745792)
Houston won two forgettable championships by default when Jordan retired and the talent level was down. Mavs beat a very good Heat team.

Only "forgettable" to idiots such as yourself. WHENEVER a team wins BACK to BACK TITLES, its a very memorable event. How many times has it been done and how many times has a 6th seed done it? Besides, you do realize Jordan was back for one of those titles, dont you???

The Mavs had a great year when they finally won their first and only title, but there was nothing special about it or that Heat team they beat. Then I believe they got bounced from the playoffs EARLY the following year as they didnt put up any defense of their title. Talk about "forgettable."...:hmmm:

saphojunkie 07-14-2014 12:20 PM

I like how Gasol went to the Bulls. If your point guard is going to be injured, may as well have the best passing big men in the NBA.

BWillie 07-14-2014 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 10744536)
Can't blame him for going there. He's got the chance to rebuild his value in a big way there.

Heat are likely a 6 seed right now.

In the East? With Deng? 4-5 seed minimum. The East blows.

Could quite possibly be

1. Chicago
2. Cleveland
3. Indiana
4. Miami
5. Toronto
6. Washington

Would be my guess


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