I get the mentality of moving to one of those conferences for self preservation if I'm an AD or whatever... no idea why the fans want it though unless you know the athletic dept will be competitive.

And I don't blame schools for throwing a middle finger at Texas and OU, either.

I just don't get this idea that the Missouris and Nebraskas are so much better off from a fan's perspective... you're just somebody else's bitch now, but the rich people at the school you went to/follow are now richer. Yay?

Or your school being completely irrelevant in a huge conference is better than being in a smaller conference or hell, not one at all?

I mean, good for Missouri and Nebraska for completely wasting a decade as bottom feeders to get in early... I'll use another CBB NC t-shirt to wipe away the irrelevant tears before college athletics is completely ruined. :shrug:

Did anyone tell you TV makes these decisions not leagues?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sources: Oregon and Washington have been told by <a href="https://twitter.com/bigten?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@bigten</a> that it is standing pat for now. Waiting on a decision by Notre Dame.</p>&mdash; Dennis Dodd (@dennisdoddcbs) <a href="https://twitter.com/dennisdoddcbs/status/1542930693205934082?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 1, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Interesting. Wonder who the 20th team will be?

Any B1G school will be able to buy Bill Self and KU won't be able to match

Stanford does make sense as Notre Dame brings along what may be it's last major rival that isn't already in the BIG or remaining independent. Miami could be a wild card as well.

believe in your dreams

You said yesterday nobody cares about basketball

So in terms of revenue Stanford makes a the most sense, plus adds some scheduling and travel relief. But I think the BigTen really wants North Carolina for some reason. Would be a great addition for Basketball.

The news here is that the Big Ten is waiting on a response from ND. Its going to happen.

ND has always been a fit in the Big 10. Cant be independent forever especially in these times.

ND has zero reason to join the Big 10 and the Big 10 has diminishing reasons to want them. I actually disagree and don't think it's going to happen.

Wonder what Phil Knight is planning. Dude is obv a major player in the sports industry and he committed so much $ to Oregon sports. Now they’re left in the cold due to TV.

Wonder if he could take the 10 remaining PAC, dump Wsu Osu, and pick up 4 Big 12 teams he likes (let’s suppose Kan-BYU-Tech-Okie) and beg Amazon or Apple or someone to pay the tv freight. Apple obv has a vested interest keeping the Bay Area teams viable

That's dumb. Notre Dame is a valuable brand and would be a great addition for any conference.

What's in it for Notre Dame? Money.

No one is going from the Big12 to the PAC. It’s known Oregon and Washington want to go to the B1G and if ND decides to go then they bail on the PAC.

It’s more likely the Arizonas are the first to join the Big12, then the others have to scramble to get back to 10+ teams or also try to join another conference.

I mean, there's literally no reason why the BIG 10 wouldn't want them and a ton of reasons why they would.

Those schools want nothing to do with flyover country

They’ve been interested in the Big12 for years. Plus, it’s going to cost a lot more for a Big12 school to leave than it would for a PAC school.

It’s better than their alternative option of staying in a dying Pac 12 conference.

The Big 12 is more viable now than the Pac 12.

I hate to break this to you, but the PAC is dead. Oregon, Stanford and U-Dubb are headed out to the B1G, and the B12 (and their new Big-Balled Commish) will be aggressively pursuing UA, ASU, Utah and CU. The only teams that will be left will be the Beaves, WAZU and Cal (their Ath Dept is in horrific shape).

Poor troll attempt. KU has billionaire donors.

ND makes 15M a year from its deal with NBC.

So the money is better in the BigTen. But their problem is scheduling. These super conferences are not going to be scheduling with anyone outside the conference. Those days are coming to an end. Once that gone ND doesn't have a pot to piss in.

Why didn’t they do that yesterday then ?

Forbes said KU basketball has the same value as USC football ($325 M).

They just gave Riley a $100M context.

Obviously football is driving this, but I did just read an article that USC and UCLA have some very competitive non football, non basketball programs.

But any sport that has mid week games is going to suck.

If you love LA or your parents were alumni or whatever, fine.

But if I was an elite non football high school athlete, I would seriously consider any Big 10 school but LA just because the travel would be such a freaking drag.


Maybe if the Big 10 picks up some more west coast schools it wouldn't be as bad.

Remember on Mad Men when Jim Hobart spent a decade buying agencies, driving mergers, and wheeling and dealing at every turn just get Don Draper to work at McCann even though he was a worn out drunk with no business value?

Notre Dame is Don Draper

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Might I recommend this as a possible future Big 12 pod? <a href="https://t.co/9arGSP2DpY">pic.twitter.com/9arGSP2DpY</a></p>&mdash; Joe Goodman (@the_joe_goodman) <a href="https://twitter.com/the_joe_goodman/status/1542688579125739520?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 1, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I wonder how this will trickle to the Mountain West.

When USC and UCLA dipped my initial thought was, "Sweet, now there's a spot for SDSU in the PAC."

IF all those other teams bail, well then...shit.

USC and UCLA reached out to the B1G and were obvious takes. Now they want to see the interest from ND. Oregon and Washington also just applied last night, after USC and UCLA were already approved.

Sooo how do they add them at the same time when the paperwork wasn’t in? And obviously ND is the biggest fish now.

Everybody is after ND and it's Rudy! Rudy! Rudy! Rudy! Rudy! fanbase.

True, but I believe the B1G already had a few of their rivals, and USC is now added, and Stanford would likely be added at the same time…

Then can still play Navy NonCon as well.

That’s why the B1G is finally getting ND’s attention.

KU is sorta still relevant.


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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Conference Realignment Continues As Florida State Joins Ivy League <a href="https://t.co/UoZL9pO4zu">https://t.co/UoZL9pO4zu</a> <a href="https://t.co/usoKjtSUul">pic.twitter.com/usoKjtSUul</a></p>&mdash; The Onion (@TheOnion) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheOnion/status/1547683623045718018?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 14, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Mike Farrell excerpt from today:

“…Nebraska’s move to the B1G damaged their national brand and recruiting base; fixing it while remaining in the B1G Ten is impossible. The only cure may be to rejoin their rivals, Oklahoma and Texas, in the SEC. I’m not predicting this will happen; I’m just saying that it’s the only card Nebraska has left in their quest to find themselves.”


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Nebraska didn't screw up joining the Big Ten. They screwed up by hiring shitty coaches.

lmao the SEC isn't touching Nebraska with a ten foot pole

I’m not sure how going to an even tougher league would help Nebraska either. They played in the easy B1G division too.

New Conference re-alignment thread
 

I don’t think so either. Nebraska offers zip, zilch, zero to the SEC.

Are they getting full shares yet in the B1G?

I just thought it was funny he even mentioned it.


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Exactly and they didn't damage their brand. Top 25 recruiting classes since leaving the Big 12 with the exception of last year. Already in the high 20s with the favorites to land 3 or 4 more 4* and if Frost is able to win this year they will get even more talent. The Athletic program prints money now thanks to that move to the B1G. They got 2 of the biggest named candidates in 17 & 18 just hasn't worked.

Kansas just won the national crown

And is about to have it vacated

lmao do people actually think this

Dumb ones

They are a horrible fit for the B1G…. So bad that Hoiberg and Frost can’t even win there.

The NCAA will never levy a heavy punishment against a name school again, even if it's deserved. Cash is king.

Even Mizzou fan knows this is wishful thinking.

Nebraska chased the money and lost their soul.

Honestly, same thing happened to Mizzou, though they may be on their way to finding it.

Simple minds . . .

Corn will never win another natty. They thought going to the big would give them the footing to be real competitors again but immediately hired blonde frauds and tanked that plan. The 90s keep getting further and further away.

Neither will KU after the NCAA drops the hammer. Going to be tough for a conference to want a school on probation yikes!

You know things are going well when the only trash talk about a team takes place in the hypothetical future.

It’s gonna make it even funnier when burrito Bill gets slapped on the wrist

Dim. Such poor trolling attempts, even for you.

What about leaving the Big 12 cost Nebraska its "soul"? Not being able to pummel K-State every year? Their classic period rivalry was probably Oklahoma, but that even started to fade when the Big 12 came along and cut the number of meetings in half.

There is no "soul" to this. No team regrets leaving the Big 12, no team that's still in the Big 12 wants to be there.

It’s the old chokers or cheaters choice

KU loses - they choked
KU wins - they cheated

It’s their crutch

Or it's rigged, or it's the refs, or they had a cakewalk thorough the tournament, or....

Unless they plan on stopping by and Men In Black flashy thingying me, I don't even give a shit if it's vacated. It happened and it was amazing.

I don't see any reason why teams that have left would regret it... none of them were particularly relevant or successful before leaving, and now they're not successful but with more money. OU will be more interesting and Texas to a lesser extent.

Saying every team in the B12 doesn't want to be in the B12 is obviously making up shit though, especially with Texas on the way out and other schools joining.

You sound butthurt

True, on the first part. No arguments there at all.

What I meant with the second was more along the lines of, which of those schools would not rather be in the B1G or the SEC? Obviously, the remains of the Big 12 are not the worst place in collegiate athletics that you could be. But things in the Big 12 are certainly not better than they were, and the prospect of adding less notable schools to replace the ones leaving will not change that.

Big 12 leftovers and Pac 12 leftovers would be a good conference.

Texas and their Longhorn network and their money and threat of leaving, ruled the Big 12. They are giving that up.

Let's vacate every BB and football title in NCAA history that has ever been won by a school that later turned out to have some recruiting or athletic violation/scandal during that time!

:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

Or another option for folks: we don’t care abiut conferences in the first place

John Canzano:

RADIO SILENCE:
It’s been quiet in the last few days and for good reason. The Pac-12 is engaged in an exclusive, 30-day negotiating period with ESPN and Fox. I’m told ESPN has been “active, interested and creative” by a conference source.

Is the silence good?

Bad?

Neither?

One sitting athletic director characterized the silence as “good.”

The conference’s exclusive negotiating period expires Aug. 4.

I’m told that ESPN and the Pac-12 are a good bet to come to an agreement before that window ends, but Fox would still get to bid on the Pac-12’s rights or can wait until the period expires or waive those rights. The hunch here is that we may see some resolution before the July 29 Pac-12 Football Media Day.

AWKWARD MEETING:
Pac-12 Media Day is being held in downtown Los Angeles. It’s going to be awkward and potentially entertaining.

UCLA and USC will have to sit and answer questions about their defection to the Big Ten. I suspect Pac-12 Commissioner George Kliavkoff will want to have something newsy and optimistic to share with the public at that time.

I also think this will be the final Media Day held in Los Angeles. Moving forward, I wouldn’t be surprised to see the event moved to Las Vegas or rotated among Seattle, Phoenix, the Bay Area, Salt Lake City and Portland.

Former Pac-12 commissioner Larry Scott brought the event to Los Angeles in 2011. Scott started his remarks that day with: “First, let me start by welcoming you to the FOX Studios here in Los Angeles, the first time we're holding our media day here. In Los Angeles, the entertainment capital of the world, an important center for the Pac-12 conference.”

Reading that quote again reminded me of Kliavkoff’s remarks in March during the Pac-12 Conference Basketball Tournament in Las Vegas.

Said Kliavkoff: “The emergence of Las Vegas as a sports capital of the world is significant.”

FIRED UP:
California Gov. Gavin Newsome was not happy that he wasn’t consulted prior to UCLA’s decision to bolt to the Big Ten.

“No big deal. I’m the Governor of the state of California,” Newsom said. “Maybe it’s a bigger deal that I’m the chair of the UC Regents. I read about it. Is it a good idea? Did we have a chance to discuss the merits or de-merits? I’m not aware of it. It was done in isolation.”

Newsom has spirited opinions about it. He wasn’t consulted. Never asked for an opinion and said, “Trust me when I say this, ‘We’re not going to be looking into it, we are already looking into it within minutes of reading it in the newspaper.’”

Former Washington state Senator Mike Baumgartner is the former chair of the Washington State Senate’s Commerce, Labor and Sports Committee and former vice chair of Senate Ways and Means and Senate Higher Education Committee.

Said Baumgartner: “In all my years as the vice chair or higher education in the Washington Senate, I can’t think of anything either UW or WSU did that even approached this level of significance without Regent’s voting approval.”

I’ll update here with more… sorry for posting twice in one day, but this stuff is super interesting to me and I think relevant to you.


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I don't think the Big 12 is going to take all of the remaining Pac 12 teams. At most, they may try to see a max of 4, and I wouldn’t be surprised if they only took 2. Then pause and look at the landscape.

If you're trying to merge all the Big 12 and the Pac 12, the more mouths they have to feed (re: less cut for all schools involved), the more complex interleague dynamics will be, and the more challenging scheduling will be.

Expansion should only happen if it makes sense on a variety of levels besides just money. The Big 12 may not take everyone… just the ones that make the most sense. They don’t want to become the WAC 2.0 that had 16 teams, but it was too unwieldy, so it crumbled and split in two.

But don't you want to belong?? Don't you want to chant your conference name like a braindead drone?? Where's your pride man?

I know when the Bungholes were in the Superbowl this year I was screaming AFC! AFC! AFC! AFC! at the tv and man it ****in' felt good.

The remaining Pac 12 teams do not want to join the Big 12. There probably is not a noticeable revenue difference either way in the watered down Big 12 or the "new" Pac 12 so what difference does it make to them. ESPN needs late programming too.

Pac-12's numbers also are a product with one of the largest media markets and populated places in the world (Los Angeles) being invested in the league. When USC and UCLA do leave, how much do they lose numbers when those folks become more and more inclined to watch the Big Ten instead moving forward? That is the big question.

This spreadsheet kind of explains the numbers. Again, these are projections/assumptions, but notice the years 2023 to 2025 for the Big 12 and Pac 12 numbers. Pac 12 takes a huge hit in 2024. <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sadly, I oversimplified the math by just using % loss/gain per team w/o factoring in the difference between 10 team PAC10 &amp; a 16 team B1G in 2024. I&#39;ve corrected the data at the original spreadsheet link:<br>-B1G doesn&#39;t overtake SEC<br>-PAC still $15-20M behind<a href="https://t.co/B6jenz2djk">https://t.co/B6jenz2djk</a> <a href="https://t.co/0lUvdFXN0l">pic.twitter.com/0lUvdFXN0l</a></p>&mdash; Jeffrey Fuller (@jjfuller72) <a href="https://twitter.com/jjfuller72/status/1547139196749582336?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 13, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Link to the spreadsheet above is below:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...fTE/edit#gid=0

These numbers are not lost on school administrators and athletic directors. They stand to lose a lot of cash from 2023 to 2024 in the Pac 12. And if UO and UW demanding larger part of the pot, I'm sure that will not sit well with some of other schools.

I used to do that when John SmellWay would win Supes. I’d go on Steeler boards and brag about AFC West Pride

Yeah, that's really understandable.

If it just comes down to "would you like more money or less money", then of course we all know the answer.

And if a school can compete in SEC football more often than not, there's obviously a huge draw for the best product in college sports.

After that, I think it gets a lot more complicated if an AD is looking beyond just the money to whether the school can be competitive, whether you have a voice at the table, etc.

And on top of that, what looks great right now might not be any better than your current situation in 10 years or in 20 years or whatever. As mentioned a little bit ago, one of those conferences expands a bit too much and schools leave for whatever reason because the money dries up or isn't worth it for whatever reason.

I mean, everyone was saying the same things 12 years ago about the Big 12 like there was going to be a mass exodus out of every conference not the SEC or B1G and you better grab a seat, and here we are.... :shrug:

Well what the hell else was I supposed to do?

Every remaining Big 12 team would take a Big 10 or SEC invite in a second.

The Big 12 is still a strong conference. But it is a marriage of convenience for all parties.

BYU, UCF, Cincy, and Houston are joining because it is the next step up the ladder. Natural progression.

Good conference on the field and court? Yes.

But the conference would lack the anchor schools that generate the massive media deals.

You acted like any rational fan would when their conference is out there on the field.

New Conference re-alignment thread
 

John Canzano:

https://www.johncanzano.com/p/canzan...the-rest-of-us


Q: I saw a piece last week about Hawaii maybe being a candidate for Pac-10 membership. New stadium underway and not a bad TV market. Wonder what your Fox media expert thinks? — @KenHollaren

A: Hawaii is a beautiful place to visit, but the state has only 445,000 television households. That ranks Hawaii the No. 65 market (DMA) in the country. For that reason, it’s not a great expansion option. Also, the travel is tough.

Q: Would it make more sense for the #Pac12 to merge with the #Big12 or the #ACC? — @MarkMcClune

A: The ACC television markets are dramatically better. There are 28.2 million total number of households in the ACC footprint. After the Big 12’s coming expansion, it will have only 15 million households. It’s not close. But… if you could somehow partner with the ACC, and merge with the Big 12, wouldn’t everyone be better off?

Q: In regards to Pac-12 expansion candidates - cable companies use local DMA to assign value to a college team, what would streaming providers use? — @DRS12103051

A: I asked Bob Thompson, the former Fox Sports Network president, this very question. He told me with Hulu, Google TV and Fubo TV and others that act like cable companies (but distribute via internet) Nielsen incorporates their ratings into a network’s overall rating. But Apple TV+ and Amazon Prime Video can tell how many homes are watching a stream of show/game at any given time. Apple and Amazon also take into account subscription gains.

Q: Does California Gov. Newsom’s issues with UCLA leave a window cracked for Oregon to replace them in the Big Ten if it becomes too muddled for UCLA? — @Deafdux

A: Feels like the bond holders of the UC system may have a bigger beef. But let’s assume UCLA does reverse course for the sake of argument. Oregon’s potential annual media value (~$30 million) is going to fall well short of the $71 million it takes to justify cutting them into the conference with a full share. But I think the Ducks would get consideration because of their brand. So would Stanford (Bay Area TV market + academic prestige) and Washington (Seattle TV market). That trio presents an interesting barstool debate.

Q: When comparing PAC 12 TV markets, how is the Portland market assigned to OSU and Oregon if it is at all? — @Ralong27

A: Both Oregon and Oregon State get credit for the 1,143,670 million TV households in the Portland (and beyond) region. Here’s a good look at the TV picture in college football.

Q: The panic of realignment has seemed to have died down with the remaining PAC-10/12 teams. Given Rick George’s comments on USC and UCLA, do either teams have to prove their worth this season? Do you think remaining teams who have USC/UCLA on the schedule have that game circled? — @JoeInOregon87

A: The hostility for the Trojans and Bruins is going to be an interesting study this football season. It will be real. I also think UCLA, which has been so-so in recent years in the Pac-12, is going to struggle to matter in the Big Ten.

Q: Does Phil Knight approve of the Pac-10 staying together? — @ValyaIvanova9

A: I had a well-placed source tell me that he didn’t think Phil Knight donated all those millions over the years for UO to get left in the college football minor leagues. I wrote recently about Knight’s role in this process. I believe he wants Oregon to matter and will do whatever it takes to help position the Ducks for success.

Q: Other than the loss of prestige, would OSU/WSU be better off if the Pac-12 does break up completely? In an expanded playoff, there will be a spot for a “non power 5” and I see an easier path to be that team than a champ of a major conference. — @EastboundFitzN

A: I suspect the vast majority of at-large berths for an expanded playoff would likely land with the Big Ten and SEC programs. Those two “Super” pigs are busy trying to monopolize the system and “game” in their favor.

The media revenue from being in a major conference is a game changer.
It’s why the Pac-12 needs a “Hail Mary” in this round of negotiations.


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I wonder if Self will be able to read this thread when he's in jail

If Bill was ur celly would you suck his burrito??

I'd eat it out of his ASS. That would be a dope taco bowl

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When the Broncos played the Redskins in the Super Bowl my dad rooted for the Broncos for divisional allegiance. I couldn't understand why he would root for a team that you actively root against in games and for championships the rest of the year. I still don't.