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O.city 08-22-2023 12:57 PM

It's weird that none of the big NFL insiders have really said shit about this. We haven't really heard "they're far apart" from my recollection.

Sassy Squatch 08-22-2023 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17068077)
Nah.

I'm not looking at this from his standpoint or what he can or cant' make in the future.

I'm looking at it from the Chiefs perspective. I don't think we're as good of a football team without Chris Jones as we are with him.

Obviously. But it's gotten to the point you can't really blame Veach for throwing his hands up and walking away. It's become quite apparent Jones and his agent are operating in pretty bad faith now.

Mecca 08-22-2023 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17068077)
Nah.

I'm not looking at this from his standpoint or what he can or cant' make in the future.

I'm looking at it from the Chiefs perspective. I don't think we're as good of a football team without Chris Jones as we are with him.

Their perspective is probably, uh he's about to be 30 we can't pay him that without losing a ton of other guys...he realistically has to play out this year to get to FA so lets just use that last year and walk away and replace him.

The Chiefs in no way shape or form think Chris Jones is going to sit out games.

milkshock 08-22-2023 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17068071)
You understand if Chris Jones sits out 8 weeks he will literally tank any negotiating leverage he has with any team right?

Why would we give you a big guarantee Chris? You have shown all you care about is money, once we pay you are you going to try? Your history says your best years are contract years and then when a team didn't pay you, you sat out and pouted...

You are entering the decline years of your career after showing you don't love the game...

Jones would literally be lighting 10's of millions of dollars on fire by sitting out half the season.


Don’t see why you assume he is suddenly going to start acting logically - that ship has probably sailed.

Realistically given the fact he will hit FA after the season he has shot both himself and the Chiefs in the head.


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O.city 08-22-2023 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17068082)
Their perspective is probably, uh he's about to be 30 we can't pay him that without losing a ton of other guys...he realistically has to play out this year to get to FA so lets just use that last year and walk away and replace him.

The Chiefs in no way shape or form think Chris Jones is going to sit out games.

Then they should have got the best value and traded him when he's 29 coming off his best year of his career and moved on.

Bwana 08-22-2023 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17068077)
Nah.

I'm not looking at this from his standpoint or what he can or cant' make in the future.

I'm looking at it from the Chiefs perspective. I don't think we're as good of a football team without Chris Jones as we are with him.

Well of course not, but I don't see it as a deal breaker, pertaining to the season. It's not like it's Mahomes.

O.city 08-22-2023 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Sassy Snatch (Post 17068081)
Obviously. But it's gotten to the point you can't really blame Veach for throwing his hands up and walking away. It's become quite apparent Jones and his agent are operating in pretty bad faith now.

Probably so.

And you can't really fault them for not knowing that, but ****, it's why always waiting to deadlines can kill you.

Mecca 08-22-2023 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17068084)
Then they should have got the best value and traded him when he's 29 coming off his best year of his career and moved on.

They likely wouldn't have gotten what you guys seem to think they could have gotten...

A player that's almost 30 wanting Donald money isn't gonna get you a 1...you may have gotten a 2 and a 4.

Sassy Squatch 08-22-2023 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17068084)
Then they should have got the best value and traded him when he's 29 coming off his best year of his career and moved on.

In hindsight yeah. But since Veach has already shown the inclination to walk away when a player and agent operate in bad faith (Brown Jr) I'm going to go ahead and assume he's been a bit blindsided by how Jones and his agent have decided to approach this.

TribalElder 08-22-2023 01:01 PM

The trade deadline is scheduled for after Week 8 of the regular season.

O.city 08-22-2023 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Bwana (Post 17068085)
Well of course not, but I don't see it as a deal breaker, pertaining to the season. It's not like it's Mahomes.

Sure. Mahomes is the obvious answer here.

But.....at some point you can't win in the league if you can't get to the QB. And with what we've got on the DL minus Chris, I'm not sure we can do that enough in the current AFC landscape.

Mecca 08-22-2023 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by milkshock (Post 17068083)
Don’t see why you assume he is suddenly going to start acting logically - that ship has probably sailed.

Realistically given the fact he will hit FA after the season he has shot both himself and the Chiefs in the head.


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If he reports on time and has the same year he had last year he'll still get paid by someone..which is why the odds he reports for real games is high.

milkshock 08-22-2023 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17068086)
Probably so.

And you can't really fault them for not knowing that, but ****, it's why always waiting to deadlines can kill you.


This is an OBJ re-run, where he signs elsewhere for less than he wanted and we sign a lesser player for big money


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Sassy Squatch 08-22-2023 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by TribalElder (Post 17068091)
The trade deadline is scheduled for after Week 8 of the regular season.

That doesn't really matter here. He can still be traded. He's under contract. If it was a tag unsigned that might be relevant.

O.city 08-22-2023 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17068088)
They likely wouldn't have gotten what you guys seem to think they could have gotten...

A player that's almost 30 wanting Donald money isn't gonna get you a 1...you may have gotten a 2 and a 4.

I'm not sure when Chris pissed in your corn flakes, but DPOY' type guys are probably gonna be worth a fair amount. It's not like he's 33 or 34


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