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O.city 08-22-2023 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17068018)
If the standoff is worth never getting paid again then by all means, if he sits out 8 weeks before going into FA at 30, he won't get paid, teams will question his desire on top of his age.

Guys get paid coming off injuries, etc.

I think he'll still get paid either way.

DJ's left nut 08-22-2023 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17067958)
I don't mean by signing him.

I refuse to believe they were just told the # he wants in July/ August when camp started.

If they (Jones and agent) wanted Donald #, none of the other guys signing mattered. So the Chiefs likely knew his # a while ago. If you aren't gonna get to it, make a decision and move on.

Yeah, suddenly this has become some Orlando Brown bullshit.

If Donald was your benchmark, there was no reason at all to act like you wanted to get a deal done but wanted the market to set first. Donald's deal wasn't getting passed up.

This is some bad faith shit from Jones and his agents at this point, IMO. Play nice through the draft/FA period then when you have as much leverage as possible, hold out.

This is awfully poor form, IMO.

Bearcat 08-22-2023 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Bwana (Post 17068020)
I guess I missed that too. Hope that's not the case, because if he misses 7 weeks of football, it's not like he's going to pop in and be the same player right away.

It's just the random tweet below at some random guy... probably just ****ing with people.

PHOG 08-22-2023 12:40 PM

If this is true, then c'ya dipshit.

O.city 08-22-2023 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17068022)
Yeah, suddenly this has become some Orlando Brown bullshit.

If Donald was your benchmark, there was no reason at all to act like you wanted to get a deal done but wanted the market to set first. Donald's deal wasn't getting passed up.

This is some bad faith shit from Jones and his agents at this point, IMO. Play nice through the draft/FA period then when you have as much leverage as possible, hold out.

This is awfully poor form, IMO.

He's got a non well known agent who doesn't have many big clients. It's likely the scenario played out the way you're saying here.

I really don't know what the outcome is at this point.

Mecca 08-22-2023 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17068021)
Guys get paid coming off injuries, etc.

I think he'll still get paid either way.

Players that are 30 need to have major production to get record setting deals. If he sits out 8 games he won't even get Quinnen Williams contract let alone Donalds.

He basically sees this as his last chance to get paid, no other team is going to give him a Donald deal so hey "the chiefs need me to go back to back lets try to bend them over"

O.city 08-22-2023 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17068031)
Players that are 30 need to have major production to get record setting deals. If he sits out 8 games he won't even get Quinnen Williams contract let alone Donalds.

He basically sees this as his last chance to get paid, no other team is going to give him a Donald deal so hey "the chiefs need me to go back to back lets try to bend them over"

Well, yeah, he's not wrong.

But everyone has been telling me all offseason he has no leverage.

Mecca 08-22-2023 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17068030)
He's got a non well known agent who doesn't have many big clients. It's likely the scenario played out the way you're saying here.

I really don't know what the outcome is at this point.

The most likely outcome is he reports after the last preseason game and plays out the year to hit FA next year..

Anything else actually hurts Jones value going forward, oh and he has to be every bit as good as he was last year or there will be questions that cost him money.

Mecca 08-22-2023 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17068034)
Well, yeah, he's not wrong.

But everyone has been telling me all offseason he has no leverage.

Realistically he doesn't if he wants another big contract..

Bwana 08-22-2023 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Sassy Snatch (Post 17068019)
Oof. Apparently we've got another complete reerun for an agent


Along with Jones channeling some serious Eric Berry hobo spirit.

Sassy Squatch 08-22-2023 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17068034)
Well, yeah, he's not wrong.

But everyone has been telling me all offseason he has no leverage.

He doesn't of the end goal is money. He's listening to the advice of a lousy agent and is most likely going to cost himself tens of millions.

Dante84 08-22-2023 12:44 PM

Yeah it's a shame. The only dude we go bananas for should be Mahomes.

I do think it's telling that Veach hasn't pulled the offer the way he did with Tyreek, but that was the week before the draft and this is... the week or two before the season.

Very curious to see how this shakes out. I got a little nervous when he didn't show up for the ring ceremony.

I mean, he could show up in week 8 and "pull a hamstring" and get paid while not risking injury like Earl Thomas did.

Mecca 08-22-2023 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Sassy Snatch (Post 17068043)
He doesn't of the end goal is money. He's listening to the advice of a lousy agent and is most likely going to cost himself tens of millions.

If he went out and threw up 17 sacks I think he could realistically get a team like Chicago or Atlanta to pay him what he wants.

If he misses real games, or reports late and is out of shape and has a bad year he's not going to get a top 5 DT deal...

I get the holdout to try to avoid the tag after the year or see if the Chiefs will pay you but missing real games is where Jones hurts himself.

T-post Tom 08-22-2023 12:46 PM

Seems like no one is budging. The longer this goes on, the more likely it is that the Chiefs cut bait. Seems like CJ went full Eric Berry/Justin Houston. Ugh.

Hope they find a way to make it work. If not, looks like there could be some decent d-lineman becoming available as cuts are made. I’m sure that’s in BV’s contingency plan. Next couple of weeks could be very lively.

O.city 08-22-2023 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Sassy Snatch (Post 17068043)
He doesn't of the end goal is money. He's listening to the advice of a lousy agent and is most likely going to cost himself tens of millions.

The Chiefs obviously know they need the guy to win another SB.

It's "trade tyreek and win a SB" brain rot to think they don't need Jones here this season.


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