Really, it’s a bad idea to throw good $ after bad. It’s irresponible, it can go to better uses like charity or scholarships for academics.



Mizzouche wasted like $200M upgrading their stadium and it’s still 1/3 empty on game day, and they lose more than they win.

We gotta up our football thread post counts.

Because football is a...bad...investment?

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Popularity of football is what makes these TV king, beyond that all the drivers of price are the same, so even if your just a basketball school, you still want to be in a big time conference because its going to get you the most money.

Not true at all, but OK.

Obviously things can change, but it’s sounding like as of now they are planning on the four joining 2023. Plan on it being a 14 team league with Texas and Oklahoma. Then adding more to join when Texas and Oklahoma leave.

Kind of lines up with Amazon being interested in a 14-16 team Big12. My guess is Big12 doesn’t want to go more than 14(and well why would you unless the PAC wants to jump ship).

Also makes it seem like the GoR is going to be harder for Texas and OU to get out of than everyones assumed. Personally I’ve never understood why people think CBS would be fine with paying Texas and Oklahoma a buttload of money for a year or two when ESPN is taking over their media rights.

Jake,

The Ivy League have no interest in playing big time CFB. They stopped doing so in the 1950s. They won't even participate in the FCS playoffs.

They are if they find a partner to join with.

That is the holdup. Iowa State doesn't bring a new market. Okie Lite isn't a big enough brand or has the academic clout.

They should be.

Now when USF was in the Big East, they blocked UCF from joining.

The tables have dramatically shifted.

The ONLY people that are convinced that ku is going to the B1G are The ku Scoopmeister and his legion of tards.

Ok lol you're a ksu fan right

The Big 12 extended membership invitations Friday to BYU, UCF, Cincinnati and Houston to join the Power Five league that will be losing Oklahoma and Texas to the Southeastern Conference.

Guessing the Big whatever schools will be staying in the big whatever now

I’m not sure that….

BYU, UCF, UC & UH = UT & OU?

That looks like a net loss.

Kinda like MU, CU, NU & TAMU does not equal TCU & WVU.

I’m pretty sure in the grand scheme of things that MU, CU, NU, TAMU, UT & OU >>>>> TCU, WVU, BYU, UCF, UC & UH.

Yes, but unlike you, I fully understand what our position was/is in realignment. We were ****ed 9 ways to Sunday when OUT left. But hey, if you want to close your eyes real hard and dream about getting an imaginary invite and joining the B1G, God bless ya and sweet dreams.

Anyone that would argue otherwise is a complete idiot. It does, however, provide some stability (however temporary) to a completely awful situation. It could also be argued that it is somewhat on par with the PAC.

Also, this was pretty funny....
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Except Gotlieb is a soreloser prick.

Somewhere between B and y yur brain wasn't functioning here!

You should have said something like, Bring your football money! Anything other than what you typed.

As soon as OU, UT get figured out there will be more shuffling. Do you really think the SEC is done adding teams? This is just the beginning. It's why the Big 12 are going after up and coming schools.

That is going to make for a competitive league from top to bottom once.

B12 screwed up by not adding 4 more, going to 16 teams

Should have went after USF, Boise State, and whomever else they could pry away, Notre Dame, Colorado, Utah, Memphis ( but only basketball purposes ) Coastal Carolina. Anybody that could pull some football revenue and /or a large basketball revenue with a mediocre football market..

Is the Sprint Center allowed to serve caffeinated beverages if there is a BYU game?

I think the SEC is done for a while, until they can get FSU and Clemson to jump ship from the ACC GoR. That deal goes thru 2036.

I think the B1G will absolutely be on the prowl, but I also think they are looking West toward the PAC - that Conf is pretty vulnerable right now.

Zero chance they get ND. If the B1G can't get them, the leftovers of the Big 12 surely won't. Not sure if you meant Colorado State as well because I see zero chance the Colorado would rejoin.

He’s wrong anyway. Kevin Queefman used to pitch this canard all the time, then someone in the KU board analyzed like 3 conf seasons of KU games. Found that like 75% of the free throw disparity happened in the final 2 min of the game when opponents purposefully fouled KU to stop the clock.

Replacing OK and TX with city schools? Yikes.

It's pretty simple. Our rivals (or former rivals) will use anything to point and laugh at us. I suppose we do it to them, as well. It's sad that KU football has fallen this far from the Mangino days but this is what we're reduced to doing. /sigh

All 4 of them are > athletic programs than Mizzouche

I knew/know ND will not do it, but be aggressive, show the country that the B12 is here to stay. I agree that B10 can't do it, why the B12? The only reason is , a ticket to the playoffs! They could, for the most part run thru this conference and have their ticket to the playoffs.

Same for Colorado, PAC 12 is vulnerable now. If the B12 got BYU, Boise State and Utah, they would have closer traveling with KU,KSU for budgeting and a chance to win the B12/err B16 for playoff football. Plus to have have an increased recruiting into some more bigger markets than just the West Coast, Orlando, Miami ( USF ) Houston, etc a greater exposure across the country? It's not far fetched to think about!

Now if Colorado did not jump back, sure a Co.State would help maximize the BYU, Boise St., Utah, western part of states of scheduling schools.

Just grabbing big name schools is not enough, there has to have some logistics involved within traveling in schools budgets.

Aggressive! B12 has to get aggressive to get things rolling or else, the the pickings will be gone and no one left to jump ship as conferences will get get creative with figuring out how to keep schools from jumping ship to other conferences.

Fairly low bar.

Lol at the Big 12 getting ND or any big schools right now. When your ship is sinking you don’t try and net a whale, you just try to keep the thing afloat for as long as you can.

Fair point.

Your comment got me to thinking: how do the 4 adds stack up against locals like MU, KSU, and the Rust Shacks? Quite well in fact. If you look at their revenues (2019) and subtract out the conf payouts, they’re all the same.


MU: 106M. Less 45M SEC payout = 61M stand-alone
ISU: 95M. Less 37M B12 = 58M
KSU; 89M. Less 37M B12 = 52M


Four Adds all ~70M less $7M league payouts. So each is $60M stand-alone, or identical to the 3 local schools (far below Kansas obv)

I wonder if the remaining 8 will come out ahead in some capacity since they aren't having to give such a huge chunk of the pie to the OU/TX overlords?

Clearly not as strong a brand with the two huge programs leaving and four mid-tier programs joining, but what will the net outcome be financially for the remaining 8?

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Why did Colorado leave anyway? To go make less money in the Pac 12? Nebby, MU and AtM make sense but why would u want to go to the Pac 12 with Oregon States of the world.

It had more to do with cultural fit with the PAC than anything else. Athletically, it’s been a horrible move.

They were in that group of 6 the PAC 10 was after to make it the PAC 16 back in 2010. Accepted the invite regardless of the fact the other 5 didn't end up coming.

Yeah, I see your argument but Colorado jumped ship due to cultural fit more than anything. Can't see them changing on that. It's best for the Big 12 to expand east to support WVU versus going farther west, unless they can snag a bigger fish like BYU which they were able to do.

ROFL Mizzou is in the best college conference in the world and the KU folks keep trying to take shots at them

hilarious

BIG12 gonna extend an offer to Johnson County Community College next ROFL

Remember when you had inside info ku to the acc lol

After thinking about this for a while I like the additions. Good mix with interesting dynamics.

Heck, our head coach and best players on offense are from schools in the new Big 12.

You have it backwards. It’s MU fans mocking the B12 and the additions. We are simply pointing out that you’re no better athletically, nor do you generate any more income on your own, than these schools.


It’s great to get a fat check from the SEC. but you haven’t explained how MU itself is better.

FYP.

When all your school has is SEC, SEC, SEC, it is an admission of having given up on the actual school and living vicariously through the better teams in the SEC.

I’ve alwsys found it weird when fans brag about money. I honestly didn’t know people actually did that until I discovered the internet.

Like CU, most of the PAC12 schools are located in fairly urban metro areas. The only exceptions are Wazzu and to a lesser extent Oregon State.

I like the additions of Houston and Cincinnati. I would rather have Wichita State and either Tulsa or Memphis over UCF and BYU. That would be a pretty good basketball conference.

Colorado is not leaving the PAC 12 where they fit culturally to rejoin a depleted B12 that lost their biggest rival in Nebraska. The PAC 12 is struggling but it is shielded from poaching by its location.

How? They need to establish some brand stability before expanding more.

Let's look at your list:

ND: ROFL Never happening. They will join the ACC first.
Colorado isn't returning
Utah isn't leaving the stable PAC 12 to join the same conference as BYU.
Memphis will be available whenever the BIG 12 wishes to pluck it.
Coastal Carolina had ONE GOOD SEASON. You don't make expansion decisions off a single season and a COVID season at that.
USF: Why? The school is struggling and UCF brings the Florida market well enough. The War on I-4 is a great rivalry but it has little national cache.
Boise State is a regional academic school and their football luster is wearing off. Like Memphis, the BIG 12 can pluck them whenever they please.

Really? WITF would any serious conference want WSU? KU is pathetic at football, but at least we have football.

Tulsa has zero pull due to proximity of OSU.

UCF and BYU both bring many more eyes for TV than Memphis.

Do you not understand TV economics?

Antifreeze.

Chug it.

Wichita State has value to conferences like the A-10 and Big East. But not to a P5 conference. P5 conferences don't do associate members for football or basketball.

Tulsa is a great story. Small little private school that has historically punched above its weight class but they don't bring anything to the BIG 12.

Memphis would be a fine addition to the BIG 12. They just happened to be the fifth best option where there were only four slots.

I assume the 2 divisions will be the Texas schools and BYU in the west and the rest in the east.

Why not poach the Big East? Is their football really that bad? I'd like to get some nice bball programs in here. U-Conn would be cool.

Not sure why Villanova doesn't want to try to get into FBS football, but maybe down the road for them.

I think BYU is a HUUUGE get. But not too jazzed on the other three. But honestly they are the best possible 4 we could probably hope for that aren't already in P5 conferences.

I don't know that I'd look to expand as it may water down the conference even further, but here is where I would look, in order:
U-Conn
Boise State
Memphis
Colorado State
South Florida
UAB
Temple
Wyoming

Obviously not much there. I think the Big 12 did pretty well

Hilarious is joining a conference, then a decade later cheering as that conference adds not one, but two really premier football programs (that MUtts have been using as an excuse to leave their previous conference and calling those programs weak and non CFP worthy).

But, as is the way of the MUtt, you can always stand on the shoulders of tall folks to watch the parade as a “so happy to be here”, but utterly impotent participant.

ROFL still going

beaks just keep going

ROFL

big whatever is gonna end up getting relegated out of the power 5 LMAO

KU could be in the SWMESW conference and we would still be a better athletic program than MU just on our basketball program.

Perhaps this is of interest to you.

Wall Street Journal College Football Value Rankings:https://graphics.wsj.com/table/NCAA_2019

1. Texas
2. Ohio State
3. Alabama
4. Michigan
5. Notre Dame
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29. Kansas State
30. Oklahoma State
39. Kansas
43. Iowa State
56. Missouri
60. BYU
65. Central Florida

KU football program alone is valued higher than Missouri even DESPITE not being in the SEC. KU Football is a sleeping giant, meaning if they can figure out how to ever even be perennially .500 they are going to churn $$$

Now the loss of Texas and OU hurt - no doubt - but the loss of Missouri is not even a big deal. Big 12 just invited two teams of similar value to Missouri to the conference.

You gotta be the worst person in this thread

A raider fan and a beaker

ROFL

That isn’t happening. The Big12 is legally one of the five autonomy conferences. P5 is a media label. If anything, the Big12 made the gap between P5 and G5 larger. On top of that, the Pac12 and ACC isn’t much if any better than this new Big12 overall.

As I’ve posted, the hoops value is $320m at Kansas. So combined, Kansas athletics is worth 2x any other school in the B3.0. (A whopping 10x what Mizzouche worth, tho that’ll change with the new SEC deal)

BYU, done, Boise State is next!

IMHO, cutural fit has nothing to do with it anymore, it's all about $$$

Very well could be true, but I also said, " I knew/know ND will not do it," . So stop trying to make yourself look better by thinking you just staged yourself, 1 up ! I already covered that statement. But enjoy your belly laugh that you somehow showed up a comment when I mentioned it was merely attempting to be aggresive!

Please don't give me the cultural BS when $$$ is driving the bus here. Colorado could jump back if they think they could get relevant on competing again, more money than the dormant PAC 12, additional schools in their area, BYU,Boise State, maybe Wyoming, Damn, who knows, maybe Co State too.
I already mentioned Memphis as basketball only, their football is almost on KU's level, not there, but almost. All KU has to do is start winning again, it will take care of itself, I know, tall order.
I'll give you a Coastal Carolina, but again, see the argument with USF,UCF, WV,

Why USF? Miami, another east coast school to go with UCF, WV ? Goes without saying that it's the TV markets driving this thing!

Not on your opinion of laughter " Oh shit, now that's funny "!

The story of the big SEC event after MU was brought in:


SEC exec: Welcome to the kickoff event of the new SEC!


MU representative: Thanks! This is quite impressive, especially the food buffet.


SEC exec: Yes! We pride ourselves on our football and food culture. Alabama, Georgia, LSU and Florida supplied all the seafood and delicious sides. The other schools provided great appetizers and drinks.


MU rep: I can't wait for our committee to dive in to all the great food and eventually the great football.


SEC exec: So, what did MU bring to the buffet?


MU rep: Toast and popsicles.


SEC exec: That's awesome. Your seats are over there at the card table.


MU rep: That's in the corner and so far away. And metal folding chairs?


SEC exec: We call it the "bring us some real food and football" area.


MU rep: Ah! I think the food we brought is the same as the football.


SEC exec: Huh? Excuse me. Important SEC stuff going on over there.

This thread is getting away from football related, conferences realignments to an MU vs KU chest thumping, dick swinging contest that literally has no relevance at all!

It's freaking petty! We all should have been over this shit years ago when MU left to be the doormat to the SEC for more money! They left, they have their money, all of the fan base is happy and yet the KU folks are wanting to laugh at MU for going to the bank! :shake:

Personally, anybody wants to laugh at me for taking my money to the bank can just ****ing laugh, the joke is on them!

As for MU laughing at KU for sucking in the B12, or the fate of what the B12 is, really shouldn't throw stones at them. Literally you went from being relevant in the B12 to laughing stock of the SEC ( B12 or any other school excluded of course, $$$ ). MU is just another yearly win for the Power schools of the SEC in football and has been in basketball until this past year.

Hardly anything to write home about to Mom or Dad from campus, or to talk about around the dinner table.

For it to take away from a perfectly good thread to discuss the probability of what has, is or about to happen or even could happen, just for you to literally take aim at a school's ability/inability or at somebody else's shape/position is just as bad the position you are in yourself.

Petty shit .... now carry on children, try to play nice while the men talk!

You're a bore.

I know, I have my moments, guess I'm not as much like Eastwood than I thought!

Boise State is absolute trash outside football and that has been declining as well.

I don't blame MU for leaving... I've always laughed at these threads, especially in the realm of football, because it's the equivalent of Browns fans spending hours on end telling Lions fans how much better they are, etc.

No. They’ll split the Texas schools.

it doesn't

ROFL

I figured you would your head in the sand when you found out KU's football program is valued higher than Methzou's

They could, but it’s not as important as people make it out to be. 11 other teams in the conference, you play 9 of them a year if not more. Most conferences played 10 conference games last year, Big12 was the first to go to 9 conference games and others followed.

Looks more like the AAC than a “power 5” conference now

The Big East doesn't sponsor football anymore.

UConn's football is a disaster.

About Big East teams joining: 1. P5 conferences aren't into associate members for basketball. 2. The Big East, along with the MAC, is probably the most tightly knit conference in the land. They are mostly all urban, Catholic schools that aren't leaving their cozy conclaves to join a midwestern conference. And they want nothing to do with football schools. That is why the Catholic schools broke away with the Big East name in the first place and left the remaining schools to form the AAC.

Villanova is all about basketball. They had a chance to join the Big East in football in the 2000s. Their pitch included a Powerpoint and a proposal to play in a 15,000 seat soccer stadium. They are happy enough to keep football in FCS world.

BYU is huge. The PAC 12 should have grabbed them but the California schools aren't tolerant enough to let Mormons into their country club. Houston is a solid school. Cincy has shown immense growth and UCF might be the next coming of 80s Miami. They are ambitious and aggressive.

Your list is certainly more realistic than most. I would place Memphis as the #1 candidate. UConn is too far ahead and football is pathetic. Temple has the same issues. Wyoming just isn't good enough yet. Colorado State has a glorious new OCS but they haven't won enough. Boise State doesn't have the academics and their recent football success is faltering. UAB has the potential. South Florida needs to figure what they want to be but they could make a play.

If the Big 12 had to take two more, I would go Memphis and South Florida. Memphis has both basketball and football (plus a nice spot in SEC country) and South Florida brings the I-4 rivalry. Plus, an extra trip for Florida helps with recruiting.

But like you said there isn't much left right now to pick from. Unless you wanted to bring in SMU or Rice to honor the old SWC. SMU will need to win a heck of lot to get in (like TCU did).

Sorry the truth hurts so much. But then you are used to pain being a MU fan.

Cultural fit, while not the paramount attribute, still places a large factor in decisions. Athletic conferences are country clubs. Presidents prefer to hang out with similar minded members. Colorado fits the west coast culture. That is why they left even when the rest of the supposedly departing Big 12 members stayed. BYU should have been in years ago. It took the departure of Texas/Oklahoma for the rest of the BIG 12 presidents to put away their disdain for Mormonism and say, "We need BYU." Decisions are fueled by culture and money until desperation comes.

You said it is all about money. Fine, then why would Colorado leave a financially stable PAC 12 for a BIG 12 whose new deal is still speculation? They wouldn't. They left and they aren't coming back. Reminder, they left a Big 12 that had Texas and Oklahoma anchoring it. But somehow they are going to want to return to a BIG 12 without its two premium brands?

Colorado doesn't care about BYU, Boise, Wyoming, or their supposed rival CSU. They certainly aren't dumping the academic cache of the PAC 12 to play old time MWC/WAC members. They don't even want to really keep the CU-CSU rivalry going.

Again, P5 conferences don't take basketball only members. That is bush league in their eyes. And Memphis football currently is way above Kansas' level.

"All KU has to do is start winning again." Well, not to be cruel (I am an Army fan so I know how long the drought of defeat can last) but that is easier said than done for sure and Kansas has a long barren history. The last conference title was in the 1960s, I believe. Yes, the Orange Bowl was awesome but Kansas that year didn't have to play Texas/Oklahoma. That is where the return of divisions might assist Kansas.

USF is located in Tampa not Miami. FIU is in Miami.

TV markets play a role but so does fan support. All four additions have strong fan bases. USF is struggling in that department right now. I do think if USF kept their Big East momentum they would be in the Big 12 but UCF seized the chance.

KU will become a .500 football team soon, in the next 5 yrs, it will become a solid draw to basically any conference it chooses then. However, KU is not joining the Big 10, ACC, any other con. as long as they are part of the B12, 16, whatever they call themselves. They have it all too well in basketball and that is enough for them, however KU does & will always be in a Power % conf. for that reason if their football becomes a trace of the Mangino days.

Now for putting words into what I said, I never said USF was in Miami, but it does have a large TV market in Miami. This is all about driven TV markets. UCF does has a lot of Central Florida covered, even a large part of Miami too. To put it bluntly, U of Miami has a lot of the TV market in Miami with alumni, as well as Florida. Likewise, so too does UCF and USF in the Miami area. I was referring USF to help corner a larger Miami market. Same for Colorado and CSU with Denver, TV markets is the ticket, viewership is what is going to attract TV contracts for the league. If the B12 wants to attract a bigger TV contract, it has to be able to sell viewership's to the Networks.

Plus any larger metro area is going to also give you 1 up on recruiting, rather it's football or basketball!

For some reason you want to add to what I keep hitting on here. You are a smart guy, sol let's make this simple ....

1. Exposure
a. Viewership for networks
b. Recruiting
c. All of the Above.

2. Conference Stability
a. Exposure
b. High level of viewership
c. Recruiting
d. All of the Above

As I said, you are a smart guy, you can see the correct answers!

It boils down to doing a great job of salesmanship, if you are not taking steps now in the B12 to attain stability and keep this shit from happening again, you are setting yourself up for failure! Reason I say the B12 needs to go ahead and become a the B16, branch out now, get what you can before the others move to it. I do not see the Pac12 or B10 moving to a 16 team conference anytime soon. If the B12 don't take steps now to secure themselves, they will be left behind.

It’s a small/one week sample size… but the new/future Big 12 has more teams ranked in the top 10 (Iowa State and Cincinnati) than the ACC and Pac 12 and the same # of top 10 teams as the B1G.

Another moron who brings no evidence or facts as he belches out a baseless opinion. The TV deals are the same as two existing P5 leagues.


“The top 3 brands leapt at the chance to leave the AAC prolly because the B3.0 looks just like the AAC. Or some shit, durr. Durr”