Anyone can do a copy and paste from a pubmed citation. But even from your own citation......

I literally do this for a living you ****ing low rent squirrel.

90-95% IS accurate and the only gold standard above an MRI is to SCOPE it.

Now sit the **** down and finish your juice box and the adults talk about this. God damn clown

This is basically what we have right now. Onto the Saints

The reason for waiting for the swelling to go down is because two MRI's showed no tear of the ACL. Has nothing to do with swelling which as I said, does not conflate the MRI but instead gives contrast.

The reason for waiting is to test the structural integrity of the knee which the trainers have a battery of tests for.

If the PCL is torn, which could be, then he's out six months. Season is still over.

But from all accounts, it literally could be a bone bruise and he's back in 4-6 weeks.

The MRI wouldn't show PCL damage already?

Heeeeeee FCKIN

GOOD!

I believe he has a small toad or dwarf dwelling within the injured knee. It's pretty clear that they should use a little bloodletting to rebalance his humours. Either that or a course of medicinal leeches.

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I think he has ghosts in his blood. He should do cocaine about it

That's not the only thing growing with optimism!!! :whackit:

Looks like we have reason for some hope.

But wishes and get another WR on the trademark.

Our schedule doesn’t look too bad. Even with what we have now there should only be maybe three challenging games until hopefully he is back. 49ers, bills, and Buccaneers.

And what about brown. Is there optimism for him to come back towards the end of the season? I haven’t really been following that.

If he good, we good

I believe best case for Hollywood Brown was January.

Best case for Brown is December, more likely seems to be Jan

I can’t comprehend how we keep skyy Moore over Justyn Ross.

Skyy will replace Hardman on returns along with Steele

Mri shows everything.

The likely case is there’s damage to some of the stuff and they’re waiting to see if he can run and use his knee to is year or if he should get some small surgeries.

Keep an eye on Juju, boy is gonna step up.

You ****ing suck at your job then. Just the stupid ass statement that a partial tear isn't a tear and is just stretched.

Anything with a confidence interval over 90% is good.

Juju's knee is probably worse than Rice's. Just doesn't care and is going to play until his knee explodes.

Only reason I can surmise, is that Moore plays special team and Ross doesn’t?

I bet you wear a mask in public

Justyn Ross sucks.

I dont want Steele touching the football.

No you're a dumb shit that can't carry my jock and just googled some shit from pubmed which a f'n tiktok kid can do. You know jack shit about this stuff, and jack left town.

A partial TEAR which means the tendon/ligament isn't detached from its attachment site IS WHAT A PARTIAL TEAR IS YOU F'N MORON.

Some of the MTJ CAN be torn, OR NOT, but if but if the tendon still has it's insertion on the bone ITS A PARTIAL TEAR. Which means if the ligament or tendon is stretched beyond it's structural capacity it is still classified as a tear.

Now as I told you, sit the **** down and let the adults talk you peasant.

Damn another poster that knows what a confidence interval is. :clap:

He's definitely given Chiefs fans a reason for pause...

#Chiefs Rashee Rice - Optimism from teammates suggests he avoided ACL. Likely bone bruise + ligament (PCL/PLC) sprain. If so, avg = 3-4 wks

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NFL?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NFL</a> Injury Updates:<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Vikings?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Vikings</a> TJ Hockenson - Comments suggest Wk 7-8. Most pass catchers take ~3 games to ramp up<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> Rashee Rice - Optimism from teammates suggests he avoided ACL. Likely bone bruise + ligament (PCL/PLC) sprain. If so, avg = 3-4 wks<br><br>1/9</p>&mdash; Deepak Chona, MD. SportsMedAnalytics (@SportMDAnalysis) <a href="https://twitter.com/SportMDAnalysis/status/1841646004942057883?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 3, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

If it’s just a bone bruise, I will have a boner bruise.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NFL?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NFL</a> Injury Updates:<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> Rashee Rice - IR suggests severe ligament sprain, prob w/bone bruise. Avg for high severity 4-6 wks<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Giants?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Giants</a> Malik Nabers - DNP. Fri = key. Data very slightly favors sitting Wk 5<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Colts?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Colts</a> Jonathan Taylor - DNP. Data projects 60% chance to sit<br><br>1/9</p>&mdash; Deepak Chona, MD. SportsMedAnalytics (@SportMDAnalysis) <a href="https://twitter.com/SportMDAnalysis/status/1842019189239820442?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 4, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Me too! (From jacking off too hard!!!!)

Oh hell yeah

Thank you for adding the paraphrased verbiage. That helped us all understand what the original intentions were.

That means we'll get Rashee an Pop back at similar times. OMG

Ave for HIGH severity. 4-6. So he could be back in 3-4.

Sounds like you want to help out!

Maybe Clyde can field a kickoff

Clyde should have been cut instead of designated to return

Speaking of Clyde what is the status of Kareem hunt. Please tell me that his injuries are precautionary right now

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">One thing we didn&#39;t get to in TNF postgame (b/c of OT): Chiefs WR Rashee Rice is expected to have his knee scoped next week after the swelling goes down, per sources. There&#39;s fear of ACL damage, and also PCL damage. <br><br>Docs will know more after going in and set a plan from there.</p>&mdash; Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer) <a href="https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/1842175537009074418?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 4, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Entering the season, the goal was to delay Rashee Rice&#39;s off-field issues into 2025. Now that he&#39;s injured, the plan will be to get the criminal case and any suspension behind him this year, if possible. <a href="https://t.co/A95KMOFdAv">https://t.co/A95KMOFdAv</a></p>&mdash; ProFootballTalk (@ProFootballTalk) <a href="https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/1842184749986558395?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 4, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Florio is a lying piece of shit, pass it on..

The sheer volume of shit being completely made up about his injury is remarkable.

I disagree.

My sister-in-law’s baby cousin Traci said she saw Rashee at the show last night hugged up with some tramp!

Jack Harry fears a scope might reveal a tumor on his patella

Is there money to be made by guessing this shit?

Maybe I should start a tweeter and stamp it with "over 30 years of IT experience".... and whenever there's a data breach, just use definitive-sounding bullshit..... "all the evidence suggests this was a ransomware attack and that these attackers will want money. One thing I'm being told is the attackers might not follow through in this case if they're paid."

Now give me a follow and $20.

Hell, would people bet on that? Set the over/under on a data breach at $x million with a parlay on whether they pay and whether the attackers follow through... high stakes shit right there.

Sounds like your sister-in-law's baby cousin might have seen Florio.

I’m just operating under the assumption that he isn’t coming back this year, and if that is the case then hell yes suspend him ASAP, post surgery.

But that means Bart Vatch has to be working the lines in the coming weeks. We need some talent and depth.

Collinsworth-Florio-Bayless hen party conclusion

JfcC your are a god damned idiot.

Don't know the difference between a partial tear or a detached ligament.

A partial tear is torn. Just not all the way through. Has nothing to do with detachment.

Have not liked Russini since she gauranteed that we were getting a 1st for Sneed.

This sounds stupid. Why would you have him test anything on the field? You’ll know exactly where you stand after the scope is done on Monday. Good grief.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Today on Scoop City! <br> �� <a href="https://t.co/pij0lrExVg">https://t.co/pij0lrExVg</a><br><br>What will the Chiefs do at WR?<br>Rashee Rice is on IR and his knee is still swollen. The next step for the receiver will be to test it on the field once the swelling goes down and he will get his knee scoped. Here’s more�������� <a href="https://t.co/dk2VpBmNDC">pic.twitter.com/dk2VpBmNDC</a></p>&mdash; Dianna Russini (@DMRussini) <a href="https://twitter.com/DMRussini/status/1842189186037690516?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 4, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

He would have been ruled out already via the MRI and second opinions if things were that bad. Plus he wouldn't be walking around locker rooms infront of media guys either.

Did you read Breer's tweet?

Yea.... she must have just worded that poorly. Zero reason to be on the field before the scope Monday.

I'm admittedly not a medical profession, but unless every medical website is wrong, then you are way off base. It has been established in this thread many times that "tear" in this context is not the same as the layman's definition and that "partial tear" refers to a severe stretching. For example:

"Injured ligaments are considered sprains and are graded on a severity scale.

Grade 1 Sprains. The ligament is mildly damaged in a Grade 1 sprain. It has been slightly stretched but is still able to help keep the knee joint stable.

Grade 2 Sprains. A Grade 2 sprain stretches the ligament to the point where it becomes loose. This is often referred to as a partial tear of the ligament.

Grade 3 Sprains. This type of sprain is most commonly referred to as a complete tear of the ligament. The ligament has been torn in half or pulled directly off the bone, and the knee joint is unstable.

Partial tears of the anterior cruciate ligament are rare; most ACL injuries are complete or near complete tears."

From:
https://orthoinfo.aaos.org/en/diseas...the%20ligament.

It actually makes a lot of sense. I believe the criminal case is scheduled for sometime in June and he's taking an L on that one way or another. Well if he's going to have to miss near a year anyway it would make sense to speed up the legal process.

Couple years ago Von Miller went through this very same thing and had the same scope that found out he tore his ACL. In fact he’s from Texas and I’m pretty sure he went to Dallas for the scope. Might be the same Dr Rashee is going to

Yes did you see Diana's? Did you see Pete Sweeney's?

Diana's after the fact yeah, but she does have a spotty history. Sweeney's doesn't really say anything more than Breer's.

With Vonn they were saying it was a partial ACL at first and he said he would need a brace but wanted to play. But with Rashee reports are saying it could be PCL, MCL, LCL. It's not just an ACL thing.

Sweeney said it before Albert and said his source said they will be looking to see IF there is any damage to the pcl, mcl and lcl. So why not believe him? And Diana is no different to Albert imo. The fact that her source said he will test the knee on a field suggests the mri and second opinion came back clean.

Hey I hope she's right, just kinda odd that she's the only one with that info so far (the on-field testing)

I've literally had two partially torn ligaments, about a 40% tear, in my ankle.

You and what's his nuts keep narrowing down to just the acl. If you want to only consider that you both are correct. Acls almost always are full tears and mris are virtually flawless looking for single tears in the knee.

When possiblity of multiple ligament tears in the knee the results are much less accurate.

They are clearly worried about damage to multiple tissues which is why they aren't relying on the initial mris and waiting for swelling to go down.

It is 2024, facts no longer matter. Everyone has a platform and people believe what they want to believe based on feelings and emotions. Truly a fascinating time to be alive!

Your posts on the subject are moving the goalposts now. Just an absolute refusal to accept what people smarter than you are saying and always needing to have the last word.

As much as I wish he was on the field doing great things for the Chiefs this wall-to-wall coverage is getting silly. He's out for a month, maybe more, and if he comes back he might be welcomed back with a suspension to serve for his off-field actions, nobody knows. At this point, as awesome as he is as a player, he's becoming a distraction this team doesn't need.

The Chiefs need to plan for him to be out for the rest of the season and move on focusing on the next man up.

Has there been a similar situation?

This is just strange

This doesn't remind you of the Mahomes knee injury?

As soon as Rashee gets back on the practice field this place is going nuts.

The article posted earlier aligns with my original thought.

Rashee can serve a suspension while on IR bc it’s all about pay. If he’s out for the season get the shit over with.

A Browns player did this last year

If Rashee Rice is out for 3-4 weeks, that's INSANE... must be those young, flexible ligaments... that looked so bad.

I do think that JuJu will pop off the next couple games.

Let's tromp the Saints... then rest at 5-0.

To do that he most likely needs to resolve the criminal charges. That may have more to do with the prosecutor and what he is willing to take. I mean he is facing 8 felonies, he may be lucky not to do a little jail time.

FTFY

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">One thing we didn&#39;t get to in TNF postgame (b/c of OT): Chiefs WR Rashee Rice is expected to have his knee scoped next week after the swelling goes down, per sources. There&#39;s fear of ACL damage, and also PCL damage. <br><br>Docs will know more after going in and set a plan from there.</p>&mdash; Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer) <a href="https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/1842175537009074418?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 4, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

So much for MRI being so accurate on ACL. Almost like it's what I said where if there are multiple that accuracy goes down.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-media-max-width="560"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Rashee Rice - Undergoing Knee surgery <br><br>Updated thoughts <a href="https://t.co/pcdL2hYL7m">pic.twitter.com/pcdL2hYL7m</a></p>&mdash; Jesse Morse, MD (@DrJesseMorse) <a href="https://twitter.com/DrJesseMorse/status/1842219001176313980?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 4, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I thought this was a sketch.

Exactly the case. Or focus on the "Next man in" if they're going to make a trade.

I really think it's more of a distraction to us, I think the players are used to this kind of stuff.

IMO, Rice's knee is ****ed up, and no way am I counting on him to return this season.

I'm no orthopedist, but I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express after each of my ten orthopedic surgeries (4 x knees, 4 x hips, 2 x shoulders, almost all due to skiing). I seriously doubt that a guy with a torn ACL is going to be walking around in a just sleeve, but without a brace to keep his knee stable.

Whatever they find wrong, or not wrong with Rice's knee, I hope it's announced in a new thread. This one has AIDS.