When I hear somebody talking about Worthy as if he's just a straight line speed guy and gadget weapon, I immediately know they haven't actually watched him or done their homework.

It's so annoying...it's just guys trying to justify the positions they had regarding what ever player it is.

Perfect example, was listening to Cowherd's podcast last night and he was talking about how Worthy has been injured a ton...right then, I'm like yeah you haven't watched him one bit lol.

Giving things a charitable reading, for certain coaches that's absolutely what he'd have to be.

We'll need to come up with some tricks to deal with the lack of play strength. It's a thing. A fairly significant one. He CAN be bodied off.

So we'll have to come up with motion, route combos and usage patters that really discourage/prevent teams from trying to get physical with him.

Not every team has a coach that can do that as well as ours can. So if you're viewing the guy in a vacuum, I could see reaching that conclusion.

But here? Well, we have a better shot than most at getting everything out of him. Reid's a wizard at motion, route combos and establishing/breaking tendencies.

I'm speaking more to the assumption that he's a gadget guy that can't run routes, track the ball, etc.

Sure, he's a very unique talent with his size, so you absolutely have to have a plan/role specifically for him, but I think not having one is more of an indictment on the coach than anything.

All of these young offensive minds like McDaniels, McVay, Shanaham, Slowik, Johnson, etc. would all know exactly how to use him too.

Don't ask him to do things he can't or isn't going to be good at though. Belicheck has made a career of that.

10 plus years ago I would have been pissed about a pick like this. Stick figures didn't last long in the league. Since the physicality has been taken out of the game I'm good with this pick. Just hope a safety doesn't get a clean hit on him.

He *can* take a hit ya know lol...

On the plus side - he might disappear if a hitter tries to see him from the side. Harder to hit if you can't see him.

We did this pick 10 years ago. Dexter mccluster

God damn you're stupid.

Yeah if you subtract 5 inches of height they're totally the same guy LMAO

And ran a 4.53

This is bait.

With a year of experience with Hollywood (I think he is his replacement), he will be even better.

Yeah, that stuff is ridiculous, annoying, and a clear indication someone doesn't know what they're talking about.

Keysor pointed out on Twitter and in his breakdown of Worthy that he does the same things as a route-runner that Ladd McConkey does, he just doesn't get attention for it because he ran a 4.21 40 at the Combine.

My favorite is when Chiefs fans are like "Great, another Mecole Hardman." Dude isn't anything like him, and all it takes is watching him track one deep shot to realize that.

Yeah - the DeSean Jackson comps feel lazy but they're awfully apt. I just can't come up with a better one.

I keep seeing wildly different heights listed for him but in the videos of him meeting Reid he Looks well over 6 ft rather than his listed 5’11

Measured at 5'11" at the combine.

Doesn't get much more legitimate than that.

But with good body control and an insane vertical, his catch radius should be pretty good. The issue is that he's not going to fight through contact for much. So that catch radius isn't likely to be put to a ton of use unless Mahomes just misfires on a ball into space.

He's not a guy you wanna send it high and let him fly for on a crosser in the red zone, for instance. He'll die. And frankly a DB could just wall him off entirely too easily.

But if you see him with a step on a guy but a safety shaded to where he's directed, you could elevate it a bit, get it over his DB and let him use his explosion and body control to stop and go up and get it instead of sending him towards traffic. We saw Tyreek do that on occasion. We do it with Kelce quite a bit still.

His height is largely a non issue, good or bad really.

ESPN had him listed at 6'1" lol, but yeah Combine numbers are probably legit. A McCluster comp is insane though.

The perceived speed vs. the real speed of McCluster will always be funny to me.

Folks talking like he had afterburners and was some deep threat when he was a 4.5 guy who'd get caught from behind by linebackers.

I mean if you wanted to try to argue he was De'Anthony Thomas I'd listen - skeptically, but at least I'd listen.

But McCluster? That's just laughably stupid.

Will be worth watching.

I don't even know if Worthy has to be better but if he is close enough they might move on from Hollywood.

Personally I hope Hollywood balls out and we keep him.

I think the Chiefs investing so much at TE with Irv Smith and Jared Wiley means what we all think: Kelce is nearing the end. Kelce himself acknowledged that on his new heights pod.

I think this draft was as much planning for the post Kelce era as much as anything. Rice, Worthy, Kingsley and Wiley are all cheap for the next 3 years minimum.

I think Kelce has 1, maybe 2 more years. If they could ink Hollywood to Veach’s favorite 3 year structure that has a clean way out in year 3 I’d take that immediately. Kelce’s money would basically go to him to cover a lot of the cost.

Devonta Smith is listed at 6’ 170 and he looks tiny out there.

It will be jarring to see Worthy padded up at 5’11” 165.

I think Hollywood has the possibility of a Tranquil trajectory here. Cheap 1 year tryout that gets him a long term deal with more $$$ if he performs.

it just casually ignores that Worthy is actually a wide receiver with a tremendous history of success at the position.

He's also only 20 years old. He'll be 185 by his third season.

One thing's for sure, Worthy will be a lot more physical than Smith. I did a brief cut up and posted it about 20 pages back. Worthy is a straight up DOG.

As crazy as it may sound, he's a bully. Will that fly in the NFL? Likely not but it won't be for lack of him trying. I expect him to embarrass a few db's on the boundary early in the season when they're expecting him to sidestep out of bounds.

Word will travel quickly that he's no punk. -
https://www.facebook.com/ChiefConcer...ibextid=NnVzG8

He's going to gain 20 lbs from his draft year?


Worthy doesn't need to bulk up. Let him do what he does.

I don't know about 185, but he clearly lost some weight to break the record.

It was a lack of size and muscle comp

A guy under 175 in the nfl is so rare that it legitimizes the comp. I can’t even think of another player under 180 that ever played for kc. I think Dante hall was 190 even tho he was like 5’7

Mighty mouse cornerback mcclain might have been lighter but that was so long ago

Devonta Smith and Tank Dell just recently. You're absolutely clueless. The NFL has changed a lot over the years. Catch up.

Emmanuel Forbes went in round 1 last year....he's 6'1 166lbs.

I was explaining the mccluster comparison. Please follow the discourse. Mccluater also was drafted by kc. And was skinny.

Worthy's size is fine if he operates as the Vertical 2.

Obviously keep Nagy's ideas to a minimum with him because he ain't going to do what Rice did last year or he would break.

He turned 21 on Saturday... Still super young.

He’s essentially the exact opposite of a runner than Pacheco.

Pacheco violent running style comes from a huge squat number and a ton of force generated in the ground.

Worthy is opposite - smooth gazelle running style (which can have advantages too)

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Ohh so you meant KC when you said "dc". Try checking your garbage takes for spelling errors.

Why do you need to compare him to a RB that KC drafted over a decade ago when there are similar WRs drafted in the NFL the last few years?

I saw what you posted and actually would prefer he not do that in the NFL.

Even if he beefs up to like 175 or something, he’s still in the bottom 5 percentile for weight in the league. He’s got no business trying to bully guys out there.

Worthy was 1 in college as well..

McKinnon is gone.

A TE wearing 12 is pretty fun though.

Trindon Holiday and Travis Benjamin were another couple receivers under 175.

Looks like Hardman is listed at 185 but I wouldn’t doubt if he played closer to 175.

God I cannot wait for this season now and for this kid to come in and tear this league a new asshole...

There's gonna be so many dumbasses look foolish, it's gonna be hilarious.

Yeah - I think 175 is all you can reasonably expect.

Kids running a 4.2 - his body has developed. It may thicken up a bit but if he's grown into his speed, he's probably grown roughly into his size as well.

No way he hits 185. Frame just won't support that much good weight.

Veach already said he'll work with our nutrition team and they envision him playing around 175-180.

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Agreed. Hardman wasn't playing anywhere close to 185. 170-175 seems about right.

Worthy probably has a more typical sprinters body than Tyreek. Who is massive for how fast he is.

Yeah, because Texas has no concept of diet and nutrition.

He was 169 at the pro day..odds are he was playing at 170 and lost a few pounds to break the combine record.

I mean, if he was sprint training for 3 months after the season to secure the best possible 40 time at his combine, its not unreasonable to think he lost some mass, even if just 5 pounds or so.

Yeah, that's what I've been saying as well.

The 'real' Xavier Worthy is probably around 4.3 - 4.35 and 165-170 lbs. With a little maturation you might get that to 175 without losing anything.

I just don't see 185 being within the realm of possibility and man, 180 is pushing it. This isn't 1995; these guys aren't coming out of college doing situps and skipping max days.

These guys get pushed hard by Power 5 training staffs. If they could've bulked him up to 180 and gotten him taken at 17, that's just one more thing they can recruit on.

These guys are damn near at their peak when we get them. You can work technique and maybe sculpt them around the edges a bit, by they're 90% formed by the time they get to the NFL for the most part.

I mean did the Chiefs strength training ever build out De'Anthony or Mecole? Hill was already a freak of nature when he got here. By and large those guys remained the same physically. Because they came from massive programs.

Someone like BJ Thompson out of Stephen F. Austin may be someone you can really bring up a level because of a step up in strength/nutrition. But a dude out of UT? Man, I just don't think we're better at it than they are.

Our 20+ mph plays/players on offense was horrendous last year.

This year we’ll probably right behind Miami.

Exactly. Reid's scheming allowed Hardman to be mildly productive here, and he couldn't even get on the field in NY. And Worthy is better than Hardman. Worthy's floor is Hardman+

Now that I'm 100% an insane FF nut, I've been seeking out videos on Worthy...it's kind of crazy, a lot of em are basically saying yeah his value is skyrocketing and he's a 20-25 WR right now and has a chance to go in the mid rounds in a lot of drafts.

I am highly, highly fascinated to see how he projects out and where he goes in Fantasy.

He had no business trying to do it as a true freshman at Texas but he sure did lol! ...en route to leading the team in recs(62), yards (981), and td's (12).

Understand, I'm not equating the leap from HS to College to the College/Pro transition. I'm just pointing out that Worthy simply won't care either way unless Reid pulls him aside and checks him on it.

The AVERAGE age of Brugler's 400 top prospects was 23.24 and Veach avoided the Covid Draft Trap of taking old ass players.



In dynasty he's the #6 overall rookie including QBs

Depends. My guess is he will be overdrafted in redraft.

The only Chiefs I would consider targeting in redraft are Mahomes, Kelce, and Pacheco.

At the end of the season, I thought Rice was a top 20 WR with top 10 potential.

Then KC signed Brown, Rice decided to definitely not go street racing while definitely not driving under the influence, and KC take a first round WR...

Yeah, Rice will not get that amount of volume again.

Could be a much worse fantasy player but a much better real NFL player though.

Here are the measurements for 4 very successful, or up & coming receivers, mixed in with Xavier Worthy's measurements. There really isn't much of a significant difference (although one did weigh about 10 extra pounds) and as far as I know, none of them have had issues with injuries in the NFL.

5'10”
169 lbs
29 ¾” Arms
9 ⅜” Hands

6'0”
170 lbs
31 ⅛” Arms
9 ¼” Hands

5'11”
173 lbs
30 ⅞” Arms
8 ¾” Hands

5'11”
165 lbs
31 ⅛” Arms
8 ¾” Hands

5'10”
182 lbs
30” Arms
8 ⅜” Hands

Those other 4 players are:

DeSean Jackson
DeVonta Smith
Jordan Addison
Tyler Lockett

People need to move off of automatically having concerns about his durability before he has even had a single round of NFL conditioning and training. And yeah, I think it's different in the NFL, even from what it is at Power 5 schools.

I feel like they will get him to like 172-175, which won't slow him down much, and will give him just a few extra pounds of muscle. No, he isn't Tyreek Hill, but I think we all know Hill is one of one. But, these other receivers have proven, and are currently proving, that players this size can be very successful.

Holy shit, I cannot effing wait for training camp and the season to start. This offense is going to be so much fun to watch.

Here’s another one:

HEIGHT 5’ 9 1/2’’
WEIGHT 183 lbs
ARM 32’’
HAND 8 1/2”

TY Hilton

Missing Tank Dell as well.

I thought about adding him to the comparison, but he is not even 5'9", and he got hurt, right? That didn't fit with my narrative [emoji6]

He got hurt because his stupid coach tried to use him as a blocking fullback up the middle on a goal line play.

If this were 1968 we should be concerned with his height and weight. With the way the rules are slanted towards offense, his size (especially weight) will be a non factor.

He will get the Ceh treatment and get over valued if I had to guess.

Not up the middle, but he had Dell crash down in absurdly heavy traffic, causing his leg to get rolled up on. Aside from the Achane knee injury and the Michael Pittman Jr. concussion, Dell's injury was one of the saddest and most frustrating moments of my 2023 fantasy season.

yeah like over 10 yeas ago lol. nfl is massively different even from then

Mom’s a baddie doe

https://x.com/NickyNicole_J/status/1784370922675167318

His mom looks taller and heavier than he is.

SEE! HE CAN ADD MASS!

Mama wants some lovin. And a new house in the berbs.

Damn, looks like Vanessa Williams.

I can give her the 1st but not the 2nd

Marry her and you can

WE NEED LESS TIME TO RUN WASP

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I sure hope he's better than a Hardman+ :shake:

Hardman+ is damn near a 1000 yd WR. If that's his floor, then sign me up.

Worthy is so much better than Hardman ever was in college. He can run a good amount of routes and tracks the ball much better.

Guys. Worthy came in as an 18 year old Freshman and immediately made himself the biggest weapon at Texas putting up 981 yards and 12 TD’s.

Again…an 18 year old right out of high school did this to guys 1-3 years older than him. Very Mahomes 2018 esque but at WR. He was that talented.

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:eek: :dom:

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I admit, I laughed when I saw this.