That offense had even less rhythm to it yesterday than it did in the preseason, and that's saying something.

Houston is going to pound their ass hard.

Not sure why Chicago didn’t replace Eberflus with an offensive-minded HC to help with Caleb Williams’ development

It’s not like Eberflus has a great track record of success to justify keeping him as the HC in Chicago.

Like I said. Most likely he is a bust than the next great QB.

I just hate that Nick Wright decided to prematurely crown this MFer. Because I love Nick. But that was always a mistake.

He isn't making no Super Bowl 59 like Nick says regardless of if he is good. And I'm not sure he is gonna be.

Pat's first game of course was against Von Miller and co on the road in snowy conditions. Pat was forced to play with backups and still looked a million times better than Caleb did yesterday.

The thing is people got high off a few scramble plays in preseason when the sneaky issue was he failed to operate in structure in both games. Especially against the Bengals second string.

The hype he has means defenses are gonna give him serious attention and he had no clue how to deal with it yesterday. To the point where his ability to process quickly will be questioned if it continues. Because he held onto the ball way too long.

His two worst consistent takes are Williams being Mahomes 2.0 and Burrow being elite and the second best QB. He of all people should know Mahomes’ greatness has so much to do with his off the field preparation and football intelligence which is so far not at all a guarantee for Williams. I’m convinced he only stays with the Burrow take because he doesn’t want the Chiefs to have losses against a fringe top 10 QB so he elevates Burrow.

Yeah - there was no reason to keep Eberflus.

Just keeps things on pause for another year for them. And they probably should've found a way to get a solid veteran QB in the room with him. You think Tyson Bagent is gonna show Williams the ropes?

A defensive minded HC and a 2nd year UDFA backup QB.

Who's teaching the kid? You really think Shane Waldron is gonna be the guy that gets Williams through this transition? The brand new OC who's trying to figure this shit out for himself? He's in no position to coach up Williams.

Ryan Tannehill was an athletic QB who needed to learn ths position on the fly. Andy Dalton was a limited athlete who had to prepare his way to success. Those are guys that would've been nice to have in the room with him.

And there are literally a half-dozen accomplished OCs and/or former HCs who have demonstrated the chops to put together a strong passing game. Now the Bears DID get a nice HC candidate in Waldron as their OC but he's still finding his way now as well. Someone like Derrell Bevell who has some limited HC experience but has been around the league for 20 odd years and has a track record of success would've been smart.

The Bears just threw Williams in the deep end of the pool and said 'good luck, kid' without seeming to understand that this ISN'T a guy who knows how to be a pro. He demonstrated that in college.

He's certainly overrated at this point. He did not play well but no ints and should have had a TD if his receiver just catches an easy ball. Either way rookie QBs were like 0-19 or some shit in game 1 over the last decade or something. He could still hit his stride and he isn't hopeless like Bryce Young yet.

I don't think that defense is anything special. If you look at who they've faced over the last eight or so games there's not many great QB's to speak of. Levis yesterday literally handed Chicago the game.

This kind of all goes back to Poles, doesn't it? I know he had a great offseason on paper and people forgot about everything that led up to it, but if Caleb continues to disappoint, I think it's mostly on him. He should've fired Eberflus and used the opportunity to attract the league's best young offensive minds.

The two top OC for head coach candidates stayed on their teams in Ben Johnson of Detroit and Slowik in Houston.

Assuming he had the authority to fire Eberflus, 100% his fault.

It became abundantly clear that he and Poles are too tight, attached at the hip. Might cost them both jobs, but I am sure Poles gets one more hire.

CHI wins despite this POS.

The Bears win yesterday looked similar to their victories with Mitch Trubisky. Defense & Special Teams pulling off miracle plays to put a bunch of points on the board and carry the QB.

Levis is a ****ing nightmare. Too tight, no natural feel.

I know, but the Bears job was never available to know if they would've taken it. I find it hard to believe they would've passed on that job.

Exactly.

You tell any OC out there that they get the #1 overall pick, another top 10 pick in a loaded WR class, an established young veteran star receiver, a solid and ascending young defense and a shitload of cap space - they'll go ahead and listen to you make your pitch.

The Bears had EASILY the best job to offer this off-season. They simply never offered it.

That's a massive mistake.

How much money does Caleb already have from NIL? $10M? $20M? I wonder if that's going to affect how hungry some of these kids are coming out of college, especially if maybe they already aren't super gung ho to begin with.

GREAT point... not saying thats what it is with CW, but why try to hard to 'make it' when you've already made it?

Its pretty easy to see that being the mindset from some of these young guys going forward

What are the chances the Bears hire Lincoln Riley next year?

That’s what she said..

There was a great quote that I think was from Tony Gwynn that seems kind of applicable here. He said:

"An average hitter will see a pitcher and adjust by the next game. A good hitter will see a pitcher and adjust by the next at-bat. A great hitter will see a pitch and adjust by the next pitch."

It didn't look like Caleb was doing any adjusting at all.

Another game like that and lets see how smug he is when asked about Patrick...

No different than the old rookie pay scale.

Caleb Williams received a $25.5m signing bonus for his rookie deal anyway.

Lulz at Virus once again riding in to stick up for these disasters

It was his very first start.

At this point your hatred for literally everything is exhausting. You need to get a grip.

Not true. I'm very complimentary of the Chiefs

But he's already been making $10M+ per year for what 3 years now? Might hit a little different when you've already been living that lifestyle than when your first payday is after the draft.

Yeah, it’s definitely possible. It’s only human nature.

I expect he'll paint something truly inspirational on his nails next weekend and we won't see anything that bad again.

Gayleb gettin hyped in the locker room pre-game

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As somebody who bought into the talent/hype to an extent, this has been a VERY disappointing first 2 games. He might just end up being a bust.

He went to a bad franchise to build a QB.

They gave him weapons. And apparently a decent defense. That's more than most 1.1 qbs get

No it’s the Fangio cover 2 neutering offenses. None of these rookie QB’s has thrown a TD yet. They’ve all looked bad or terrible passing the ball.

Offense is way down now that defenses league wide have implemented Fangio’s scheme.

He went to as good of a situation as a #1 overall pick could possibly hope for.

Yeah, the number 1 pick normally goes to a situation like what Bryce Young is in.

You don’t always get this many weapons.

Maybe the NFL O's need to a adopt 41 personal and just run the ball at these DB's all day. Just line up 4 tight ends. Hell...how about 50 offense. :)

Same. He looks so overmatched and sped up out there. Lots of time to improve and lots of tools, but he doesn’t seem to be processing well or throwing accurately.

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I didn't think he was going to be that good in the NFL, but I'm not going to call it just yet.

Chicago is a QB hell. Has been forever, and it's only 2 games.

I'm giving him a season.

He was pressured on 36 of his 37 attempts. He still needs to be better.. but I’m not writing him off for at least a year.

I loved him as a prospect back to his Oklahoma days. But soured on him the more his character came out. He’s going to need to humble himself which has always been a worry.

Of the big 3 receivers from the draft, Odunze is the only one who hasn’t done anything yet.

Harrison looked great this week. Nabers was good in week 1 and better in week 2.

So far the biggest red flag to me has been that he is completely ignoring any passes not outside the numbers. Shows that he isn’t reading the defense or going through progressions at all. Everything is just sideline tosses hoping for a great receiver play or being surprised it’s actually covered with regularity, unlike in college.

Never believed the hype, but I didn't think he'd be this bad. Only 2 games, but looking like a bust. Definitely not as much hutzpah as Stroud.

Yeesh! 21.4 QBR is rough. In fairness, Stroud didn't have amazing games stats either.

I didn't watch the game, but looking at the stats at least he spread the ball around well. He needs to go downfield more, but maybe not enough time? Where's DJ Moore this year? ...kid has flashed some talent when scrambling, let's give him until midway through the season and see if he and Moore find some momentum. I'm not counting him out yet.

Goes to show you though, that it's better to be humble.

Oh he’s not a bust or anything yet. But I don’t believe he put in the same work as a guy like Bo Nix. And he’s getting the same results

Just a guy who huffs his own farts and has to figure out he’s actually not that special at all when on the field with other NFL players

Im just not sure he has the mental fortitude. They were down by a score most of that game and every shot on the bench he looked defeated.

He's relying too much on pure talent and thus missing throws.

You could see how badly he wanted to do "Stroud" things (i.e off schedule throws) but it was never there for him.

He's not processing well.

His O-line is doing him no favors.

The arm talent is there but.....he's got a long way to go.

He's starting to remind me of Zach Wilson.

Most fans just want to know what color of nails he chooses on game day.

With USC’s pro-style offense, you’d think they’d be churning out top-tier QBs like a pizza place churns out pepperoni pies. But so far, the best they've produced are Carson Palmer and Matt Cassel. And honestly, I think I just threw up a little bit in my mouth there when saying "Cassel" and "top-tier" in the same paragraph.

They have an old gypsy curse when in comes to NFL transition me thinks.

https://www.thesportster.com/footbal...ed-in-the-nfl/

They don't face good defenses. Ever.

Surrounded by elite talent. Always.

It's easy to see why USC QB's kind of suck.

Was Carson Palmer the last one to be any good?

Leinart was bad
Sanchez was okay for a bit then butt fumble
Darnold was bad

Darnold might be the best QB in that division right now.

Ooof.

Yup.

He couldn't have asked for more. And he's just not ready.

I still think it's a simple explanation. This is a team that has a defensive HC, inexperienced OC and UDFA young QB in the QB room with him.

There simply wasn't anyone around to tell him that he's not done the work. He thinks he did and simply hasn't.

There's nobody there that's able to show him what it truly means to be a pro QB in this league and so he's out there winging it. It's a rough look.

And for those that think he needed to sit a year - in this organization, what purpose would it have served? Sitting won't teach him anything. He'd be on the sidelines convinced he'd be kicking ass out there and there's nobody around to show him otherwise.

At least this way he'll get some lessons via humility. He's learning by doing...poorly.

The Bears fumbled this. They needed a veteran QB and, obviously, a different HC.

So trade them Wentz for Odunze? They aren’t using him anyways. Throw in a 7th to sweeten the deal if needed.

Nothing is settled as I remember watching Stroud play the Pats in preseason and Bellichick totally schooled the kid and had him confused. Then he faced the Ravens and struggled against them too before he took off.

But I've been saying two things that remain true. Caleb struggles to run a normal offense from the pocket and has relied heavily on freelancing and backyard football. And to me that is because firstly he struggles to read defenses and secondly he's only six foot, so I believe the freelancing is because he may not be able to see over his line sometimes and that's why he holds the ball so long.

The warning signs were there in college in the Notre Dame game and many others. Once he gets behind and loses confidence, it can go downhill quickly. Pat was used to getting punched in the mouth in college and having to battle. Caleb was very much a front runner who pulled off his tricks when up big or against ovetmatched teams. That's why you saw him crying to his mom in the stands because he wasn't used to getting a reality check.

This preseason the signs were there. I'd often look at reports from camp on bears twitter just to see what's happening and Caleb was struggling big time but the excuses was "he's going against an elite defense". But the Bengals game against second and third stringers was a wakeup call as he was terrible but the media hyped up one throw and scramble for a td.

I'm sure he will grow the more he plays but the hype was way too much. Pat's debut was with backups on the road in snowy Denver facing Vonn Miller and co. And he looked a million times better than Caleb does right now.

Matt Cassel was good

You can bring in Jerry Rice and Randy Moss but if your QB coach and org suck at it because they are defense minded all the time, you get what you have so far. Looooooong way to go in his career but off to a horrible spot.

The Bears ****ed up keeping Eberflus it requires good coaching to develop a QB.

Agreed. That offensive line is terribad. Makes it hard to accurately grade a QB.

LMAO

Well done.

Young QB’s in Chicago never get better, it’s like a slow moving train wreck.

Two things can be true. The OL hasn't been good at all, and neither has Caleb. It's not just his play either. Body language was terrible last night.

Middle of the 3rd, down one score and he looked defeated AF.

And then he started pressing and started throwing INT's while trying to be like Stroud.

Dude, did you see how pissed D.J. Moore was when he missed him on that big 3rd down?

Sure. I’m just not surprised he’s looked bad playing behind that OL.

We saw yesterday how a HoF GOAT QB can look mediocre behind an OL with even one weak link. The Bears OL appears to have multiple.

He's a generational prospect in the best situation a #1 overall pick could possibly ask for. I'm just not going to rush to make excuses for him :shrug:

He has to be better, and more than anything else, he didn't look like a leader of men last night AT ALL. That's a huge red flag.

Also, I think concerns about body language are overblown.

He was getting his ass smoked all night long. He was probably in pain.

Holy shit you're like a defense attorney for opposing players on CP LMAO

This is who Caleb is. The body language is exactly the reason why he rubs A LOT of people the wrong way. Get the **** out of here with this bullshit excuse. You can be in pain and STILL not look like a defeated little bitch when your team is down one score.

Nothing worse than what Mahomes was experiencing in the Tampa Super Bowl.

Expected the struggles

it's nice to think you can show up in the NFL and just go off script and be the hero

reality says otherwise

I’m sorry for having good opinions that you struggle to refute!

Yes. Let’s compare an all time great playing in his second Super Bowl to a rookie playing in his second career gam.

You obviously didn't watch his college games much. Caleb is a known pouter/loser, and one that not many would rally around. Chicago is in for a problem with this kid.

CJ Stroud is just one month older than Caleb Williams. Stroud is a seasoned veteran and Caleb is a struggling rookie.

LMAO ThaVirus knows exactly what he's doing.

No, I think he really believes what he's saying.

He’s a front running fraud… padded his stats against shit competition.

Find a game in college when Caleb Williams overcame legit adversity to beat an equally/more talented team.

Spoiler alert… there is none.

On the flip side

Can you find me a game where he cried in his mom’s arms after losing??

Bet you can’t!

He's soft and was in his own head. And it's only his 2nd game....

What's he going to be like when the Bears are 1-7 and in desperate need of a win streak to keep any hopes of the playoffs alive?

If you're too occupied feeling bad for yourself then you're not focused on doing the things you should be doing to win.

Mentality is real and it affects performance on the field. And his teammates aren't going to respect their leader moping around feeling sorry for himself.