Apparently this white kid from Iowa is a pretty damn good WR, Hayden Hatten.

PFF graded his last two season 90%+ overall, he's the only 1 I've seen with consecutive 90%+ seasons.

https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Player/...atten-WR-Idaho

Side note, Guyton has 63, 66, and 69% seasons... not sure they like him too much.

Also noting that 50% of draft heads seem to mention "he needs a year to develop."

Do they mean develop as a starter or sit behind someone and start the following year?

I think you need to take a starter in round 1.

Javon Foster from Missouri, however, looks like a steal as their #20 OT considering he's 1 of only 2 OTs that posted 80%+ seasons the last 3 seasons.

Mizzou really starting to get some players in recent years.

DT T Sweat 15.3% pass rush win rate at his size is also very interesting

(Sorry to get off topic for this thread but he and Guyton are names that flirt with the bottom of the 1st)

What I like about Washington:

-Catching ability, he has absolute sure hands and his technique is great
-Toughness, although he's 5'8 he's built real solid and seems to deliver the blow when carrying the ball
-Good understanding vs zone, finds the soft spot and sits well
-Doesn't seem to shy from traffic

What I dislike:
-5'8, not a ton of receivers who excel at that size
-The versatility in the NFL is gonna be slim, he's solely gonna operate from the slot
-Doesn't appear to be a super dynamic athlete

There's some Amon St-Brown in his game- that's the type of receiver he'll have to be in the NFL if he succeeds since I don't think he's going to stretch the defense. I'll be interested to see how his testing goes but the odds are stacked against him being a very short receiver. In regards to the Chiefs, they would have to double dip at the WR position in the draft I think to have a shot at him. Washington will be a 4th/5th round guy in my opinion.

We only have 1 legit WR so its not like we don't need a quality slot option.

Another off topic note: PFF only has Willie Gay at 55.4% on the season and projected to get a 1-yr $3.75m contract. We keep thinking he's played his way out of KC because his contract will be price prohibitive. Interesting.

Here's a name no one's thrown out in FA yet, DJ Chark.

6'3 200 lbs, 27 years old, and fast AF 4.34 40.

Projected to get only 2-yrs $7.75m.

Sounds like MVS' replacement.

That’s what I was talking about. When I suggested we should’ve taken Laporte or Kincaid. [if we could’ve traded up] that would’ve been instead of FAU. Absolutely we need to take rice last year.

Man, Couch Potato … appreciate the effort, but I don’t think many people around here place real value on PFF grades.

They’re just not very trustworthy.

Mentioned him elsewhere as a guy I'd like R4-ish. I think the criticisms are legit but I also think he could be a better slot option than Moore. He aint Dell. Nowhere as shifty.

What do people think of Tajh Washington as a guy later on if we double dip. Size is probably an issue but he seems quite promising.

I like their simulators a lot more than PFN's though, have to say. No idea why people use them

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I work as a data analytics and strategy consultant so I probably value their metrics more than others. There's value in evaluating players stats, advanced metrics, and game tape pre draft. I'm not thrilled with their content, honestly, thought there would be a lot more to it. Some of Veach's choices in recent years have seemed to correlate with PFF's data-driven takes so I've been curious for awhile. I'll be looking forward to their draft guide and will post more then.

Is there anything posted so far from PFF that you feel stands out as lacking value?

The major disconnect I have with valuing PFF is it's a bunch of guys evaluating the game who don't know the game well, have never played the game, and therefore just do not in any way understand assignments and responsibilities. They are attempting to give evaluations and grades on things they have no concept of in reality. It's like me watching a figure skater and saying well... she landed it so it must have been good or she didn't so it's bad. I have no idea what jump she was attempting if it fits within the schema of the routine, or any concept of the difficulty of it.

They definitely provide a unique perspective. To your comment the same has been said about sports commentators for years, but we follow their content.

So far there's probably only 3 outliers I've noticed from PFF.

1. They have Ladd McConkey very high on their WR list.

2. They have my RB draft crush Jaylen Wright #2 on their RB list.

3. They don't think Willie Gay is as valuable as we do.

I was hoping they would have route tree and separation metrics for all the WRs in the draft but I don't see that anywhere.

Kiper has Harrison Jr, Nabers, Odunze, Thomas Jr, and Coleman all gone by 15 before the Bills take AD Mitchell and our Chiefs take Franklin.

I'd be nervous as hell on draft day if 5 WRs go in the top 15.

When I watch Coleman and Legette back-to-back I come away thinking Legette is better every time. I really want to like Coleman. Great size, and they obviously saw something in him that made them put him out there for punt returns. I don't see punt returner quickness with him though.

I think Legette's got more explosiveness, better contested catch ability even with him being 2-3" shorter, more top end speed, better hands catching, and better lateral quickness (again, just compared to Coleman). Legette just looks like a much more dynamic guy than Coleman to me.

I'm just not a huge Coleman fan. Maybe the combine will change my mind.

Legette is the type of guy I like to try to find flaws with and nitpick, but then I'd hear his name getting called by some team like Buffalo or Baltimore and think "oh no, that's not good". I could definitely see him being really good. High ceiling, maybe low-ish floor just based on lack of production until this last season? Might take a bit longer than Rice to get up-to-speed in a Reid offense, but if he can, watch out. He's the type of guy who could murder the combine, will be interesting to watch him there.

Nabers looks so damn good. I like Thomas a lot too, just a little leery because the opposing team's best CB is on Nabers if they travel. Nabers looks like another JJ to me. Couldn't even imagine what Patrick and Reid could do with a guy like that.

I think this is a broadly fair argument and one I largely agree with. I know PFF has addressed the assignments point before but not in a way that satisfies me. But like Couch I do think it has some value, and I possibly like it more than most here. Really just because it somewhat tracks consistency. I think the other issue connected to assignments is re the difficulty of roles. They mark Sneed down sometimes but he's often on the opposing team's best WR.

It's definitely...limited.

I think their grades are basically worthless. Especially their college grades, where there are just so many players to evaluate they can’t get enough trustworthy eyes on them.

I like advanced stats and find them useful.

Harrison Jr.
Nabers
Odunze
Franklin
Thomas Jr.
Coleman
Mitchell

That's what my WR board would look like in round 1, and once you get to Coleman/Mitchell, I'm taking a DT or LT if the value is better there.

Also, couch, I’m a big data nerd myself. Not the level of doing it as a pro like you, but I have dabbled and do appreciate big data sets.

I'm with ya. I think they get a solid affordable vet FA WR like Tyler Boyd too.

Who do you have for rd 2 WR's? Seems like this years class could be really strong in that 40-55 pick range.

Roman Wilson, Ja’Lynn Polk, Tez Walker, Xavier Worthy, Ladd McConkey, Ricky Pearsall. Jalen McMillan is also a great option if we stay at 64 as I think he'll be an early 3rd rd pick and reminds me a bit of Marvin Mims.

Just a loaded WR class man.

Round 2 to early round 3:

Leggette
Worthy
Polk
Wilson
Burton
Pearsall
Rice
McMillan
Walker
McConkey

Harrison Jr.
Nabers
Odunze
Franklin
Thomas Jr.
Coleman

^I'm starting to feel like there's a good chance all of the above go before our pick at the bottom of the 1st.

If we don't make a move up for Franklin, maybe I'd take Legette at #32, bring in DJ Chark as FA, and look to double dip at WR again in the middle rounds, say the 3rd. Maybe a trade up for Corley or wait for our pick at the bottom of the 3rd and take Washington. Legette, Corley, and Rice would be one hell of a physical WR group in KC!

Lot's of options for us to add weapons this offseason! Going to be very exciting!

Happy Super Bowl to everyone btw!!!

Man. If there was ever a year to take a WR in rd 2 it might be this year. Just an unreal class. Top is awesome and the depth is too.

I love Roman Wilson’s quickness, hands, and top end speed. But he looks so damn tiny on video. Smaller than what he’s listed at, in my opinion.

Not sure if it was Couch's draft but I'd be mighty tempted to ditch the FA vet and go WR R1 and 2. Really, really tempting. I

Anyone think that Hopkins might get cut?

They're letting Henry walk, maybe they want to get younger?

It's a special class and Mahomes is going to be with us for the next decade, its worth considering IMO.

5'10 186 lbs is what he came in at for the Senior Bowl.

PFF's Post SB Mock has us taking Keon Coleman at #32 just 1 pick ahead of Troy Franklin who they have going at #33. I'm not sure that would happen in reality bc I think Franklin is Andy's ideal fit, but if we ended up with Coleman it would certainly be intriguing!

1. WR Keon Coleman, FSU
2. DT Kris Jenkins, Mich

"Coleman’s draft stock has been anywhere from top-10 pick to second-rounder this draft season. He’s an incredibly gifted athlete, but his game lacks consistent separation. Still, his talent level is too high for a team like the Chiefs — who desperately need an alpha X receiver — to pass up."

https://www.pff.com/news/draft-post-...ks-first-round

In terms of guys we actually have a shot at, I'm warming up to Xavier Worthy a bit. Not totally there yet, need to watch him at the combine. Needs to get stronger obviously.

#32 feels too high for him, and our 2nd round pick will be too low. If Veach did have an interest, maybe we trade back, get an extra pick, and grab him early to mid-2nd?

Popped over to the Houston Texans forum to see if their fans are high on taking a WR or otherwise this offseason. I think this could be the year that 7 WRs go in the first, and I think there's only 7 that are worthy of a 1st round pick. Starting to feel like that Texans pick might determine whether 1 of our target WRs is available at the bottom of the 1st or not. Seems to be about 50:50 they go WR in most mocks and start the second run on WRs. Plenty of mocks also have them going DT Newton, although, I don't think he last that long.

I think the first 3 WRs (Harrison Jr, Nabers, Odunze) go in the top 10. Then maybe there's 1 or 2 go in the middle of the round (Thomas Jr, Coleman, and Franklin are eligible) between the Bengals at #18 and the Cowboys at #24, with the Texans being the other team considering a WR at #23 just before the Boys. If 2 WRs go in the middle, that would likely trigger a trade up from KC in the 1st to grab 1 of the 2 remaining 1st round WRs (Probably Franklin & Legette). That's because there are several WR hungry team's at the bottom of the 1st in Buffalo, Baltimore, and maybe SF (?). Not sure about the 9'ers, but they have some roster decisions to make coming up so maybe.

So, if the Texans take a WR, especially not named Thomas Jr who doesn't seem to be at the top of Chiefs fans wish list, I think we make a move up. But when I go over to their fan forum they are into completely different targets than us... they are fascinated with J Wilson at 6-7 for whatever reason, they like Thomas Jr too, but they aren't nearly as focused on WR as we are. They want to go DL, or Guyton at OT.

Just thought I'd take a closer look at some other teams fanships, what do you guys think... do we make a trade up in the 1st (almost certainly for Franklin) or stand pat and take the WR that's dealt to us?

1) If we trade up, what would you give?

2) If we stand pat, who would you take?

I'd be willing to give up next year's 2nd to move up for Franklin and pair him with Mahomes for 5 seasons or better yet pkg Reid's contract with our 1st.

If we stand pat, and Franklin's gone, I hope Coleman's there but if not I'd go Legette assuming he's the 7th WR on the Big Board.

If those guys are all gone and I’m staring at having to trade up to get Franklin or Legette, I would go a different route.

Keep my picks, take the best DL that gets to 32, or Ja’Tavion Sanders, or one of the Ts.

I think we can be reasonably sure the following are gone in the top 20:
3 QBs
4 WRs
1 TE
2 LT
1 RT
3 CBs
3 DL
3 DE/OLB

If I’m trading up, I’d want it to be for a more sure thing than Franklin or Legette. I’d be more tempted to package next years first and move up even higher to get a shot at Nabers, Bowers, Odunze, or Fashanu.

Getting above 15 from 32 is hard to do, though. It’s complicated by many of the teams in the teens being difficult trade partners as division rivals or conference foes.

Dane Brugler's Top 100 Big Board was published today. His wide receiver rankings:

1. Marvin Harrison (2 overall)
2. Malik Nabers (3 overall)
3. Rome Odunze (7 overall)
4. Brian Thomas Jr. (14 overall)
5. Keon Coleman (28 overall)
6. Ladd McConkey (34 overall)
7. Adonai Mitchell (35 overall)
8. Troy Franklin (40 overall)
9. Roman Wilson (45 overall)
10. Xavier Worthy (46 overall)
11. Malachi Corley (49 overall)
12. Ja'Lynn Polk (54 overall)
13. Devontez Walker (64 overall)
14. Jalen McMillan (65 overall)
15. Ricky Pearsall (78 overall)
16. Xavier Legette (80 overall)
17. Brenden Rice (97 overall)

Jha"quan Jackson is probably a name we should get to know.

I'd rather Isaiah Williams by a country mile.

Love him.

Hadn't realized how consistently productive Worthy was over his college career. ESPN's Matt Miller us taking him at #32.

"The Chiefs' offense was able to adjust in the playoffs, but we can't forget there is a serious lack of speed holding back this unit. Worthy brings plenty of juice down the field. He caught 26 touchdown passes in three seasons at Texas while posting over 60 catches and 750 yards each year. Worthy just might be the fastest player in the draft class, and his ability to get behind defenses and create big plays is exactly what Kansas City has been missing since Tyreek Hill took his talents to South Beach."

For whatever reason lots of post SB mocks have Franklin and Legette slipping to the mid-2nd round. I saw Legette at like #90 overall earlier today.

If that becomes a reality that's great for us I think.

Still don't see what folks like about AD Mitchell, praying someone takes him in the 1st ahead of us.

^This quote could come back to bite me someday lol

Where's he likely to end up draft wise? 4th round ish?

Somewhere in the late 4th to 5th would be my guess.

Man, I like him. Alot.

I'd spend our 4th on him. Easily......

Maybe even 3rd.

Haven't watched him yet. After taking a look at his production, it's much better, so you're probably right.

He came in as a QB at Illinois and converted to WR. He sees the field well and he's quick and shifty. I like him a bunch. Would consider him in the 4th if the chips fall right in the offseason.

Don't have a WR board yet but Keon Coleman gives me some Michael Pittman vibes who I also liked in this range when he came out.

There's a video of Troy Franklin on twitter saying "he's a Chiefs fan" and apparently he's supported the Chiefs from when he was a kid.

I must admit that makes him even more intriguing in this draft. You can never go wrong having home town guys on your roster. Wearing the jersey just means more to those cats than your average guy.

I also saw Brock Bowers saying he wanted to play at TEN. I've been wondering if this is a tactic their agents tell them to employ in an attempt to set their floor in the draft. For Bowers, the idea is let's say we want to play for the Titans so that if the Chargers don't take me hopefully they do. For Franklin, maybe it's the Chiefs at #32 in case the Bills don't take me. Reminds me of a negotiation tactic I see in my business.

Field Yates just dropped his mock.

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I want Franklin/Leggette/Worthy. Just some guys who can catch a long ball and have some dirty, nasty, filthy speed. We all saw what Andy can do when he has a Desean Jackson or Tyreek Hill on his team. Open this offense back up.

Link? I was already firmly on the Franklin bandwagon, but this is just destiny.

Also, I love this. lol

I hope this actually deters the Bills by just enough to let him fall to us.

I'm just not an A. Mitchell guy, can someone talk me into him?

Pros:

He's big (6-4/200) but more fluid than most guys that size. Flashes crisp route-running.

While he doesn't have game-breaking deep speed, he eats up a lot of ground and flashes the ability to stack DBs.

Big, strong hands. Demonstrated ability to high-point the ball.

Has come up big for his teams in biggest games.

Cons:
Not twitchy/quick

Not huge college production (could argue that is driven by the environments he was in)

Will be a really interesting combine this year for WRs.

I'm just trying to come up with guys like him who have been successful and struggling.

He's big and kinda fast, but not overly physical and not really a true deep threat. I mean for some reason Mohamed Massaquoi comes to mind but I just don't see a lot of guys like Mitchell having a ton of success. They have to be smaller, faster or more explosive. He doesn't have Evans ability to high point or Allen's route-running. Marques Colston was much more physical.

I mean he feels more like Josh Palmer than a 1st rounder. I just don't think I'm gonna come around on him.

He always came up clutch for the Longhorns this season. He had the big catch over Koolaide in the Alabama game and one v. TCU where he had to adjust his body back to the ball while falling to secure the win.

I also read he lead the FBS in firstdown + touchdown rate with over 81% of his catches moving the chains or scoring a TD.

He also has a two year old daughter and takes his role as a dad pretty seriously. Just a small thing, but he'll be motivated to be great.

I don't know if I like him for us if there are other options on the board, but I think we could do a lot worst than him at the end of the first and would want him for us more than Worthy.

I hope a team takes him ahead of us, or maybe McConkey, so that one of the more desireable WR targets falls to us. I think it's just a product of him being lost in the shuffle of a really exceptional WR class this year, he just doesn't stand out.

Amongst the tall WRs in this draft...Thomas is a better deep threat, Franklin's more dynamic, Coleman has the better Alpha mentality, Legette's more athletic, Worthy's faster, McConkey's the best route runner, Rice Jr has better pedigree, and J Wilson is taller than all of them... poor kid. Best of luck to him!

Going to be a really really interesting combine!

...I'll say this, Mitchell and Worthy both have one thing in their favor, they live down in TX where apparently Mahomes likes to work out in the offseason so they might get invited to an early try out same as Rice last year.

PFF has 20 WRs in their Top 100, I'm starting to believe there will be some solid options in the 3rd. Hate to say it, but most of all I'm starting to wonder if we don't wait again until the 2nd and make a small move up then. We take DL and OL in the 1st, typically, and protecting Mahomes is more important than giving him weapons. The 2nd is Veach's sweat spot for WR, and this year's value will be better than ever.

Here are a few scenarios I could imagine by draft day:

-Franklin's 10% drop rate comes under focus and he falls into top to mid 2nd
-Legette falls to the mid to low 2nd just like DK Metcalf
-Worthy falls to the mid to low 2nd just like Hyatt the previous year
-Walker, Burton, & Polk are all pushed down the board to the bottom of the 2nd due to the above WRs falling
-R. Wilson, J. Wilson, Corley, & Rice Jr get pushed down to the 3rd
-Thrash, Smith, Washington are available in the 4th or 5th

Look at @robertraymond46 on twitter. The media section from five days ago.

I think with this team, Rice is the unquestioned WR1 and Kelce will still be here. Not sure we need to spend a 1st on one that only needs 4 or so targets a game.

Seems like a really good WR2 candidate will be there for us in rd 2 via a small trade up if need be

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Didn't realize Gabe Davis was 6'2 225 lbs, that's pretty stout!

He might not look to bad next to Rice, actually.

This team needs weapons that can win on the boundary.

Against the 49ers our weapons struggled.

If we came away with Worthy in the 2nd and Thrash in the 4th I'd be happy as a clam.

It will be interesting to see how all the WR's show at the combine. For those of you that have already disected film on a lot of these, do guys like Marcus Rosemy-Jacksaint and Ryan Flournoy show any promise as late round flyers? Neither may even get drafted, but just two that I think show some traits Chiefs may be interested in.

Steve Smith gave his initial review of the top 15 WRs on youtube.

His opinions are a bit polarizing, but I noted the following:

-Mitchell catches 90% with his body
-Legette better than DK Metcalf
-Franklin, he kept getting distracted by #15 instead
-Worthy is this year's Tank Dell
-Polk is a dog
-Rice Jr runs like Pachecco, harder than anyone
-Dez Walker shoulda gone back to school
-Corley is the steal of the draft
-J Wilson can't chew gum and tie his shoe at the same time
-Thomas Jr is growing on him

Smith's not my favorite, but he's won a following after calling Cooper Kupp apparently.

I liked Corley early on, thinking he’d be a good fit for what this offense is doing but may be somewhat redundant next to Rice. His route running at the senior bowl was surprisingly sharp, however. I’m really coming around on him in the 2nd—if he’s even available at that point.

A lot of people like Corley

The more I read and watch…..worth and rice just pair really well

Who is #15 he keeps getting distracted by on Franklin? Another receiver from Oregon that he likes better?

A younger, shorter WR on the same team.

Steve Smith admits tends to prefer the smaller WR.

I had an edible last night and started watching highlights… and my god, Xavier Leggette looked absolutely unreal to me. I swore I was watching DK Metcalf but with better hands.

Burton didn’t make the list? Who else got left out?