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htismaqe 10-28-2022 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 16559786)
Konsidered name khange to kkkrow but probably not a good idea.

ROFL

KCUnited 10-28-2022 08:35 AM

Dude is going to absolutely love playing next to the K

BossChief 10-28-2022 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16559784)
They said it best on Times Ours. You just gave up what is essentially a 4th round pick to draft Toney minus 1.5 years of his contract.

And also have the surplus value of not having to pay a signing bonus so his cap charges are basically free. And the pick was basically free for running a good franchise and getting people promoted.

We basically got a troubled WR with full blown elite upside for what amounts to nothing in terms of investment and we have such a good locker room we may be one of the 2-3 teams he could have gone to and had a good chance to get to his potential.

What a great time to be a Chiefs fan.

If Andy and the locker room can get him focused on excelling in his role, we just added Percy Harvin to an already elite offense.

Bowser 10-28-2022 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by louie aguiar (Post 16559602)
This is a bad look. The guy has the maturity of a 12 year old.

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Originally Posted by Red Dawg (Post 16559619)
He's a shit head. Traded because he isn't a team guy.

I'm old enough to remember when Travis Kelce was immature and not a team guy, not to mention how he arguably cost us a playoff game with a stupid ass personal foul penalty. I'm more than willing to give Toney a shot and not label him as anything just yet, especially on this team with its leadership.

staylor26 10-28-2022 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by louie aguiar (Post 16559694)
I don’t get this rationale. Are you arguing that the picks have no value?

You can argue that the picks don’t have that much value but there clearly is value in a third and sixth round pick. Especially in today’s NFL where teams covet draft picks so much. We’ve seen Veach hit on good late round picks such as Trey smith, sneed and Watson. We won’t have as many opportunities to find those types of players because we will have less picks.

When did you become so whiny?

Rasputin 10-28-2022 08:41 AM

double reverse jet sweep with Mahomes flipping the ball to Hardman going one way then flipping the ball to Kardashian the other way or fakes it or double fake and mahomes throws it deep to Marquez. Some shit will be in the works.

duncan_idaho 10-28-2022 08:41 AM

The more I think about it, the more I like it.

1. The acquisition cost is not bad. A pick around #100 in the draft, plus a sixth that is practically a seventh. For 3.5 seasons of a guy with unique traits who went 20th overall 18 months ago at a high-priced position.

KC isn't even on the hook for the full cost of his rookie deal. It's amazing value even if he is nothing more than the gadget guy replacement player.

2. When you look at how good he is at creating separation and think how that will fit in with guys like Kelce requiring a ton of attention, I think it's really hard to not get excited. If you leave Toney 1x1 without help on a corner, he's going to win more often than not. Oh, and throw in that the Chiefs coach is probably the best in NFL history at manufacturing separation... hoo boy.

3. It's not just jitterbug short stuff/manufactured touches, either. He's good at that stuff, but you watch his highlights and see a guy who tracks the ball well and can adjust downfield, and who is so sudden he's a nightmare on intermediate routes (and therefore can burn guys deep despite not having the craziest deep speed).

4. The maturity concerns are real. Betting on the locker room to fix.

5. I can't take anything away from him having a hard time getting along with coaching staffs put together and run by Belichick turds like Judge (a complete fraud who was in way over his head) or Daboll.

There's a lot of upside here, gang. Color Duncan excited.

htismaqe 10-28-2022 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 16559818)
The more I think about it, the more I like it.

1. The acquisition cost is not bad. A pick around #100 in the draft, plus a sixth that is practically a seventh. For 3.5 seasons of a guy with unique traits who went 20th overall 18 months ago at a high-priced position.

KC isn't even on the hook for the full cost of his rookie deal. It's amazing value even if he is nothing more than the gadget guy replacement player.

2. When you look at how good he is at creating separation and think how that will fit in with guys like Kelce requiring a ton of attention, I think it's really hard to not get excited. If you leave Toney 1x1 without help on a corner, he's going to win more often than not. Oh, and throw in that the Chiefs coach is probably the best in NFL history at manufacturing separation... hoo boy.

3. It's not just jitterbug short stuff/manufactured touches, either. He's good at that stuff, but you watch his highlights and see a guy who tracks the ball well and can adjust downfield, and who is so sudden he's a nightmare on intermediate routes (and therefore can burn guys deep despite not having the craziest deep speed).

4. The maturity concerns are real. Betting on the locker room to fix.

5. I can't take anything away from him having a hard time getting along with coaching staffs put together and run by Belichick turds like Judge (a complete fraud who was in way over his head) or Daboll.

There's a lot of upside here, gang. Color Duncan excited.

:thumb:

I'm pretty pumped about this move.

duncan_idaho 10-28-2022 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Rasputin (Post 16559816)
double reverse jet sweep with Mahomes flipping the ball to Hardman going one way then flipping the ball to Kardashian the other way or fakes it or double fake and mahomes throws it deep to Marquez. Some shit will be in the works.

Toney can throw that ball himself, too. He was a high school QB and has a big arm and good accuracy. I think Florida used it several times his last year there.

ptlyon 10-28-2022 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 16559827)
Toney can throw that ball himself, too. He was a high school QB and has a big arm and good accuracy. I think Florida used it several times his last year there.

Excellent. Just like the last play in The Waterboy. No one will ever see it coming!!!111

Rasputin 10-28-2022 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 16559827)
Toney can throw that ball himself, too. He was a high school QB and has a big arm and good accuracy. I think Florida used it several times his last year there.

Do you write for Penthouse forum magazine?

RunKC 10-28-2022 08:53 AM

Andy should have a handful of plays set up for him in the coming weeks.

Just get that man the ball in space and watch him go

Wallcrawler 10-28-2022 08:54 AM

The speed is great, but I love that this dude is a fantastic "hands catcher". He doesn't allow that ball into his body, he just reaches out and rips the ball out of the air.

Not only does this aid in RAC but also eliminates the through the hands off the chest tip drill special that Tyreek pulled off about 8 times last season.

If the guy matures, and develops a work ethic, this will be a steal. Assuming of course the brokedick factor was simply just not wanting to play.

If all those injuries are legit, then I'm not very optimistic on his future.

In58men 10-28-2022 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16559851)
Andy should have a handful of plays set up for him in the coming weeks.

Just get that man the ball in space and watch him go

Christian McCaffrey literally played 3 days after he was traded.

htismaqe 10-28-2022 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by In58men (Post 16559861)
Christian McCaffrey literally played 3 days after he was traded.

Yep. Toney probably sees a handful of snaps against the Titans. They're going to get him involved as quickly as possible, if for no other reason that to make him feel at home and get out ahead of any possible griping.

In58men 10-28-2022 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16559870)
Yep. Toney probably sees a handful of snaps against the Titans. They're going to get him involved as quickly as possible, if for no other reason that to make him feel at home and get out ahead of any possible griping.

He has to start building chemistry with Mahomes, there’s no reason to wait around, that’s not value added. He’ll be involved next Sunday night.

htismaqe 10-28-2022 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by In58men (Post 16559889)
He has to start building chemistry with Mahomes, there’s no reason to wait around, that’s not value added. He’ll be involved next Sunday night.

I agree.

duncan_idaho 10-28-2022 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Rasputin (Post 16559840)
Do you write for Penthouse forum magazine?

Isn't that where we are?

ToxSocks 10-28-2022 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 16559110)
Mike Hughes, DeAndre Baker, Corey Coleman… the Chiefs recent track record with first round bust reclamation projects has not been good.

The difference between Toney and all those guys is that Toney didn't fall into our laps due to lack of talent.

chinaski 10-28-2022 09:15 AM

Kadarius Toney's initials are KT

K is the 11th letter of the Alphabet
T is the 20th letter of the Alphabet

20+11 = 31

The Chiefs are the NFL's #1 Team

30-1 = 30

30 divided by 2 equals 15

15 is Patrick Mahomes number.

It's a sign.

Mecca 10-28-2022 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by chinaski (Post 16559953)
Kadarius Toney's initials are KT

K is the 11th letter of the Alphabet
T is the 20th letter of the Alphabet

20+11 = 31

The Chiefs are the NFL's #1 Team

30-1 = 30

30 divided by 2 equals 15

15 is Patrick Mahomes number.

It's a sign.

AHHHHHHHHH Gematria, it's all rigged and it's in the numbers AHHHHHHHHHH

New World Order 10-28-2022 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16559870)
Yep. Toney probably sees a handful of snaps against the Titans. They're going to get him involved as quickly as possible, if for no other reason that to make him feel at home and get out ahead of any possible griping.

I didn't think about this.

For the love of god, get this man some slot screens against the Titans.

staylor26 10-28-2022 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 16559110)
Mike Hughes, DeAndre Baker, Corey Coleman… the Chiefs recent track record with first round bust reclamation projects has not been good.

Corey Coleman? That guy had already been on multiple teams.

Also, Emmanuel Ogbah was a hit.

KChiefs1 10-28-2022 09:23 AM

Chiefs acquire WR Kadarius Toney via Trade
 
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Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE! (Post 16559453)
Kadarius Toneys new back-tat is straight�� #giants pic.twitter.com/ogMj9qN8Cx— Farmer Clouts �� (@itsclouts) January 25, 2022


Love the Statue of Liberty.

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Sassy Squatch 10-28-2022 09:24 AM

I really hope the Khiefs use him like Perky Harvin while he's here.

ToxSocks 10-28-2022 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16559984)
Corey Coleman? That guy had already been on multiple teams.

Also, Emmanuel Ogbah was a hit.

And Mike Hughes was already a bust. And DeAndre Baker was a combo of poor rookie season +Off field shit.

oldman 10-28-2022 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by In58men (Post 16559861)
Christian McCaffrey literally played 3 days after he was traded.

McCaffrey is a RB and a pro. This kid isn't either. The key is his buy-in to both the team and the system. He isn't a 1st round draft pick here, he's just another WR in the room. If he starts acting like a pro (studying and learning the playbook, loses the attitude, and works at bettering his craft), he'll be a steal. I have faith in the locker room and Andy to mold him into a pro. He'll have to eat some crow and be a ST guy for a bit. Veach didn't just wake up one morning and, after reading CP, decide to make a trade for the hell of it. I'm sure it was discussed over several sessions with Andy.

RunKC 10-28-2022 09:29 AM

Dude threw a pass against us last year. Totally forgot about that

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Bowser 10-28-2022 09:29 AM

Ha, I remember that

DaFace 10-28-2022 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE! (Post 16559453)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Kadarius Toneys new back-tat is straight�� <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/giants?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#giants</a> <a href="https://t.co/ogMj9qN8Cx">pic.twitter.com/ogMj9qN8Cx</a></p>&mdash; Farmer Clouts �� (@itsclouts) <a href="https://twitter.com/itsclouts/status/1486083371080065027?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 25, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Maybe I'm missing something in the imagery, but it looks a lot more "New York City" than "Giants" to me. That's a massive difference.

Tribal Warfare 10-28-2022 09:32 AM

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oldman 10-28-2022 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 16559986)
Love the Statue of Liberty.

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Two questions. First, is he going to have to fight Conley at the George Brett statue for #89? Second, can he fit a tat of a slab of ribs in there someplace?

kevrunner 10-28-2022 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Rasputin (Post 16559529)
I think he has an attitude problem because they kept saying he was injured when he wasn't injured. Idk. It's the Giants it be hard not to be disgruntled playing for them. I'm giving him benefit of doubt because I trust Barney Venezuela and Andy Reid. They do their homework.

I think they're bringing him in for kick returns.

I think Toney got on the bad side of the new coaching staff by not showing up for volunteer workouts this year. With a new coaching staff, you would think that Toney would have been eager to participate.

KChiefs1 10-28-2022 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 16560022)
Maybe I'm missing something in the imagery, but it looks a lot more "New York City" than "Giants" to me. That's a massive difference.


Yes but he also has the 251 area code on there too. That’s Mobile, Alabama, so he can add something KC related.


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htismaqe 10-28-2022 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 16560069)
Yes but he also has the 251 area code on there too. That’s Mobile, Alabama, so he can add something KC related.


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Hopefully he'll have reason at the end of the season to get a Chiefs SB ring added to that thing.

TribalElder 10-28-2022 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 16559994)
I really hope the Khiefs use him like Perky Harvin while he's here.

under-rated post ROFL

Lets Go Khiefs

wazu 10-28-2022 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by oldman (Post 16560038)
Two questions. First, is he going to have to fight Conley at the George Brett statue for #89? Second, can he fit a tat of a slab of ribs in there someplace?

Nah, Chiefs need to just cut Conley to make it not be awkward.

Wisconsin_Chief 10-28-2022 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by wazu (Post 16560080)
Nah, Chiefs need to just cut Conley to make it not be awkward.

Conley signed with the Tits so it's a non-issue, although that would have been fun to see!

-King- 10-28-2022 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 16560022)
Maybe I'm missing something in the imagery, but it looks a lot more "New York City" than "Giants" to me. That's a massive difference.

https://heavy.com/wp-content/uploads...y=15&strip=all

I think one of the predraft questions must have been if the player is willing to get a Giants tattoo because several of their draft picks have them.

BigRedChief 10-28-2022 10:24 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Kadarius Toney running his first route for Patrick Mahomes. <a href="https://t.co/gqyV0REE89">pic.twitter.com/gqyV0REE89</a></p>&mdash; Shooter McGavin (@ShooterMcGavin_) <a href="https://twitter.com/ShooterMcGavin_/status/1585710024902717440?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 27, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

ToxSocks 10-28-2022 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 16560174)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Kadarius Toney running his first route for Patrick Mahomes. <a href="https://t.co/gqyV0REE89">pic.twitter.com/gqyV0REE89</a></p>&mdash; Shooter McGavin (@ShooterMcGavin_) <a href="https://twitter.com/ShooterMcGavin_/status/1585710024902717440?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 27, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Repost, but keep them koming, they never get old.

PHOG 10-28-2022 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by DenverChief (Post 16559512)
I think you can tell alot about a player by how they interact with the media - he seems to be relaxed and enjoy answering their questions. There are a few questions you can tell he doesn't like (they seemed to be needling him over pointless stuff) but for the most part he seemed respectful and open. Has a pretty good sense of humor at 2:48 in the second video

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Yeah, some of those questions someone needs to ask WTF!??! I don't blame him for getting annoyed.

jettio 10-28-2022 11:28 AM

May have been said already, but good chance Toney is familiar with the play terminology Chiefs use since Mike Kafka has been the OC for Giants this year.

DenverChief 10-28-2022 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by PHOG (Post 16560217)
Yeah, some of those questions someone needs to ask WTF!??! I don't blame him for getting annoyed.


Overall I think, based upon the way he spoke to the media, he is a good kid. I just think he gets caught up in twitter like some knuckleheads get caught up in CP. I think we will be fine and he will be a great addition to our locker room. His “professionalism” will be refined by Andy, Patrick, JJSS and MVS

ToxSocks 10-28-2022 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by DenverChief (Post 16560516)
Overall I think, based upon the way he spoke to the media, he is a good kid. I just think he gets caught up in twitter like some knuckleheads get caught up in CP. I think we will be fine and he will be a great addition to our locker room. His “professionalism” will be refined by Andy, Patrick, JJSS and MVS

Kool.

DenverChief 10-28-2022 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 16560542)
Kool.

LMAO Kasually Konfident

ToxSocks 10-28-2022 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by DenverChief (Post 16560545)
LMAO Kasually Konfident

Kan't wait to get him on the field.

Megatron96 10-28-2022 12:09 PM

Something went sideways with this guy and NYG management. You watch those interviews and the kid is polite and relaxed with the media, smiling and laughing with them as well, but those twits or twitters are just obnoxious. In that one he doesn't even seem to care if he gets catches, he says he just wants Ws. And he seemed to have a good relationship with his teammates, even talked about how he wanted to improve his chemistry with Danny.

He doesn't sound like a prima donna like OBJ or AB at all. Wonder if it could really be just as asinine as the new management didn't want him to play because he wasn't one of their picks? That sounds crazy after you watch his highlights.

Just hope we get the kid in the interviews. And that he can stay healthy. Healthy this kid is a freak.

BleedingRed 10-28-2022 12:11 PM

I just saw a scary tweet and I dn where to put it. But someone was talking about K. Hunt to bills.....

Mecca 10-28-2022 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16560618)
Something went sideways with this guy and NYG management. You watch those interviews and the kid is polite and relaxed with the media, smiling and laughing with them as well, but those twits or twitters are just obnoxious. In that one he doesn't even seem to care if he gets catches, he says he just wants Ws. And he seemed to have a good relationship with his teammates, even talked about how he wanted to improve his chemistry with Danny.

He doesn't sound like a prima donna like OBJ or AB at all. Wonder if it could really be just as asinine as the new management didn't want him to play because he wasn't one of their picks? That sounds crazy after you watch his highlights.

Just hope we get the kid in the interviews. And that he can stay healthy. Healthy this kid is a freak.

The GM that drafted him retired..they brought in a Patriot way **** as HC and the fact that Toney has aspirations outside of football is enough for them to have issues with him.

All those guys think if you don't love football above all else then **** you.

Wallcrawler 10-28-2022 12:12 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Kadarius Toney running his first route for Patrick Mahomes. <a href="https://t.co/gqyV0REE89">pic.twitter.com/gqyV0REE89</a></p>&mdash; Shooter McGavin (@ShooterMcGavin_) <a href="https://twitter.com/ShooterMcGavin_/status/1585710024902717440?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 27, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Mecca 10-28-2022 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 16560624)
I just saw a scary tweet and I dn where to put it. But someone was talking about K. Hunt to bills.....

This year may be Buffalo's only shot, they're like 50 million over next years cap with key FA's on top of it, they are truly all in.

wazu 10-28-2022 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 16560624)
I just saw a scary tweet and I dn where to put it. But someone was talking about K. Hunt to bills.....

No need to put it anywhere because it's bullshit.

htismaqe 10-28-2022 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 16560634)
The GM that drafted him retired..they brought in a Patriot way **** as HC and the fact that Toney has aspirations outside of football is enough for them to have issues with him.

All those guys think if you don't love football above all else then **** you.

The kid flat out said that he wants more out of life than just football - that football doesn't make him who he is.

Some people will view that as a negative - that he's not committed enough - but honestly, it sounds to me like someone who has some perspective on how little of his life will actually be spent playing football.

The guys that let football define them usually end up emotionally shellshocked when the time eventually comes.

Mecca 10-28-2022 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16560656)
The kid flat out said that he wants more out of life than just football - that football doesn't make him who he is.

Some people will view that as a negative - that he's not committed enough - but honestly, it sounds to me like someone who has some perspective on how little of his life will actually be spent playing football.

The guys that let football define them usually end up emotionally shellshocked when the time eventually comes.

Or like Brady who literally is throwing away his personal life because he can't stop playing.

duncan_idaho 10-28-2022 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 16560640)
This year may be Buffalo's only shot, they're like 50 million over next years cap with key FA's on top of it, they are truly all in.

They're 20k over according to the Over The Cap calculator for 37 players.

They have some piggy banks they can break (primarily Josh Allen), but they are not going to be a major player in FA and don't have the flexibility to keep Edmunds and Poyer.

They can restructure Allen to create space for 2023, but his hits in 24-end of his deal then jump to 47.5M, 56.5M, 55.6M, 45.3M, 41.5M.

Restructuring Allen and Morse at their max restructures buys about 25M in cap space in 23, with 10M of that being slotted for the draft class. That leaves them $15M to fill out the roster, which isn't much when you're looking for 8-10 dudes. Von Miller isn't cut-able until 2024. And would require some really creative work to keep one of Edmunds or Poyer.

That Miller contract might have made them good enough to get past the Chiefs in the playoffs this year. But if it doesn't pay off this time, when is it going to pay off? Only going to get harder in the years to come.

The Chiefs reloading the way they did at the time they did really positions them well to dominate the next five years after this one. They have a lot more flexibility than their biggest competition in the AFC.

suzzer99 10-28-2022 12:33 PM

You know Miller is going to get hurt too. He's old and not super durable.

Mecca 10-28-2022 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 16560705)
They're 20k over according to the Over The Cap calculator for 37 players.

They have some piggy banks they can break (primarily Josh Allen), but they are not going to be a major player in FA and don't have the flexibility to keep Edmunds and Poyer.

They can restructure Allen to create space for 2023, but his hits in 24-end of his deal then jump to 47.5M, 56.5M, 55.6M, 45.3M, 41.5M.

Restructuring Allen and Morse at their max restructures buys about 25M in cap space in 23, with 10M of that being slotted for the draft class. That leaves them $15M to fill out the roster, which isn't much when you're looking for 8-10 dudes. Von Miller isn't cut-able until 2024. And would require some really creative work to keep one of Edmunds or Poyer.

That Miller contract might have made them good enough to get past the Chiefs in the playoffs this year. But if it doesn't pay off this time, when is it going to pay off? Only going to get harder in the years to come.

The Chiefs reloading the way they did at the time they did really positions them well to dominate the next five years after this one. They have a lot more flexibility than their biggest competition in the AFC.

Bingo, this is their all in year, if they don't win it this year they're kinda hosed.

Chief Pagan 10-28-2022 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16560656)
The kid flat out said that he wants more out of life than just football - that football doesn't make him who he is.

Some people will view that as a negative - that he's not committed enough - but honestly, it sounds to me like someone who has some perspective on how little of his life will actually be spent playing football.

The guys that let football define them usually end up emotionally shellshocked when the time eventually comes.

Sure.

But there is coaching, and talk shows, blogging, etc...

Bowser 10-28-2022 12:35 PM

And I can safely say that if (when) we see the Bills again this year, the game plan isn't going to involve Wylie single blocking Miller the majority of the game.

New World Order 10-28-2022 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 16560720)
And I can safely say that if (when) we see the Bills again this year, the game plan isn't going to involve Wylie single blocking Miller the majority of the game.

Yep.

A lot of quick throws and screens.

duncan_idaho 10-28-2022 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 16560717)
Bingo, this is their all in year, if they don't win it this year they're kinda hosed.

So there are 3 teams in the AFC with the QB to really feel like they can legitimately go toe-to-toe with the Chiefs:

Buffalo
Cincinnati
Los Angeles Chargers

We just talked about Buffalo. The Chargers are in even worse shape against the cap and haven't even given Herbert the big deal yet.

Cincinnati is the only in comparable shape cap-wise, and will be looking to do its Burrow extension before next year... if the owners can afford to do it.

Higgins needs a new deal, too. Boyd is a free agent after 23. Jonah Williams needs a new deal. Logan Wilson will, too.

Mecca 10-28-2022 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 16560770)
So there are 3 teams in the AFC with the QB to really feel like they can legitimately go toe-to-toe with the Chiefs:

Buffalo
Cincinnati
Los Angeles Chargers

We just talked about Buffalo. The Chargers are in even worse shape against the cap and haven't even given Herbert the big deal yet.

Cincinnati is the only in comparable shape cap-wise, and will be looking to do its Burrow extension before next year... if the owners can afford to do it.

Higgins needs a new deal, too. Boyd is a free agent after 23. Jonah Williams needs a new deal. Logan Wilson will, too.

And that doesn't even factor in that Jamar Chase is gonna wanna break the bank and Cincy is historically a cheap franchise.

The Chargers spent all that money to keep all their guys before paying Herbert so now they'll have to start cutting guys to move forward...

staylor26 10-28-2022 12:55 PM

That JC Jackson contract is going to be a pain in the Chargers ass.

PutQuinnIn 10-28-2022 12:56 PM

Looks like a soaking wet TuTu Atwall

Dunerdr 10-28-2022 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 16560770)
So there are 3 teams in the AFC with the QB to really feel like they can legitimately go toe-to-toe with the Chiefs:

Buffalo
Cincinnati
Los Angeles Chargers

We just talked about Buffalo. The Chargers are in even worse shape against the cap and haven't even given Herbert the big deal yet.

Cincinnati is the only in comparable shape cap-wise, and will be looking to do its Burrow extension before next year... if the owners can afford to do it.

Higgins needs a new deal, too. Boyd is a free agent after 23. Jonah Williams needs a new deal. Logan Wilson will, too.

I completely expect them to cheap out on several contracts and give Joe Burrow the Aaron Rodgers treatment. "If your so good make these recievers good"

Mecca 10-28-2022 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16560790)
That JC Jackson contract is going to be a pain in the Chargers ass.

They must have really thought they were a SB team right now because there's really no way to justify some of their moves...

smithandrew051 10-28-2022 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 16560786)
And that doesn't even factor in that Jamar Chase is gonna wanna break the bank and Cincy is historically a cheap franchise.

The Chargers spent all that money to keep all their guys before paying Herbert so now they'll have to start cutting guys to move forward...

And what if one of these QBs goes down during an “all in” year. Would really suck to mortgage the future for one season, just to have your QB get hurt.

We’ve discussed how reckless Allen is when he runs.

Burrow has been sacked 107 times in 33 career games. He’s already at 24 this year.

The Chargers are a team of broke dicks too. Herbert is feeling that this year.

Obviously, Mahomes isn’t immune to injury but I’d bet on his health over theirs.

Mecca 10-28-2022 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Dunerdr (Post 16560796)
I completely expect them to cheap out on several contracts and give Joe Burrow the Aaron Rodgers treatment. "If your so good make these recievers good"

It'll probably go like this...pay Burrow, walk on Higgins and Boyd, franchise tag Chase for a year, attempt to trade.

staylor26 10-28-2022 01:01 PM

They will definitely lock Burrow and Chase up.

No way Burrow sits back and watches him walk.

But Higgins is as good as gone. Maybe he'll be a Chief?

smithandrew051 10-28-2022 01:01 PM

Odd coincidence. Mahomes and Burrow have both taken 107 sacks, but Mahomes has played 37 more games.

chiefzilla1501 10-28-2022 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 16560770)
So there are 3 teams in the AFC with the QB to really feel like they can legitimately go toe-to-toe with the Chiefs:

Buffalo
Cincinnati
Los Angeles Chargers

We just talked about Buffalo. The Chargers are in even worse shape against the cap and haven't even given Herbert the big deal yet.

Cincinnati is the only in comparable shape cap-wise, and will be looking to do its Burrow extension before next year... if the owners can afford to do it.

Higgins needs a new deal, too. Boyd is a free agent after 23. Jonah Williams needs a new deal. Logan Wilson will, too.

Burrow is really really good. We’re also discovering that he’s the Trent green type who needs decades of time to get rid of the ball which could make pass pro a problem. Plus their ownership is notoriously cheap and their players perform despite their coaching. The offensive playcalling is far from inspiring.

Kiimo 10-28-2022 01:03 PM

If I was a Bengals fan I'd be really really worried about Chase's hip

Hearing that is a complicated injury

htismaqe 10-28-2022 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 16560815)
Burrow is really really good. We’re also discovering that he’s the Trent green type who needs decades of time to get rid of the ball which could make pass pro a problem. Plus their ownership is notoriously cheap and their players perform despite their coaching. The offensive playcalling is far from inspiring.

The offensive play calling has a lot to do with how long Burrow holds the ball. They run a lot of long, straight drops. Very little PA.

They have issues for sure.

htismaqe 10-28-2022 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16560812)
They will definitely lock Burrow and Chase up.

No way Burrow sits back and watches him walk.

But Higgins is as good as gone. Maybe he'll be a Chief?

Yeah, I think Burrow ends up in a Rodgers situation where he has Chase and a bunch of cast offs.

Mecca 10-28-2022 01:05 PM

I just looked at the Chargers cap on spotrat they're 14 million over for next year and don't really have anyone they can cut to save a bunch of money...

Give them a look for the next few years, it's UGLY.

htismaqe 10-28-2022 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiimosabi (Post 16560818)
If I was a Bengals fan I'd be really really worried about Chase's hip

Hearing that is a complicated injury

They said he'd be out a minimum of 4-6 weeks. It sounds kind of bad.

Mecca 10-28-2022 01:06 PM

It's hard for me to see Cincy having a top 3 paid QB and the top paid WR and we all know that's what Chase is going for.

htismaqe 10-28-2022 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 16560832)
It's hard for me to see Cincy having a top 3 paid QB and the top paid WR and we all know that's what Chase is going for.

Yeah, ownership is the wild card. Who knows if they'll want to lay out the cash it will take to sign both.

smithandrew051 10-28-2022 01:09 PM

I can’t imagine how discouraging it is for other AFC teams to see the Chiefs still in the mix at the top right now.


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