Give me Watkins on a 1-year deal at WR. He needs a QB who will occasionally force it to him. But he’s also got the ability to take over games and require extra attention.

Okay, let's say that's true: What do the Chiefs do with Conley?

He's up for UFA next year, so if they give a guy like Richardson some dough, Conley, who they moved up for in the 2015 draft, is likely a goner, which would be a waste of 4 years and draft capital.

If Chesson and Kemp don't drastically improve this year, the Chiefs are back to 2 decent wide receivers, one that hasn't proven he can stay healthy.

That seems like a big risk to me for a guy with one quality year.

Watkins will have much better offers than a 1 year deal.

I don’t know that he will. I think any long term offer he gets will be for less than he believes he is worth, so thus he may risk it and go big or go home in 2018.

Paul Richardson was invisible his first three seasons because he was hurt all of the time. When he actually played, he played very well. This last year was less of a breakout year and more that he was relatively healthy for once. His injury history would scare me way more than his talent level. He made some just insane catches this last year.

I could see the Chiefs making a move for Tre Boston. He’d fill the need left behind by Parker’s release quite nicely. Played within division last year so there is familiarity there.

The way Veatch talked about the wr spot I don’t think he’s very happy with it right now

We’ll see

He shouldn’t be. If Tyreek misses games, our current WR corp is rouuuuuugh.

I’d much much rather spend money on dlineman and dbs than WRs


Andy can develop WRs

Conley has had an odd/tough tenure in KC. Dorsey was enamoured by his measurables, and traded up for him partly based on measurables but also because of a run on receivers in that draft.
Maclin and Kelce dominated touches along with Charles and one knock on Conley that has seemed to follow him to the pros is a limited/unpolished route tree. Have we seen this guy run anything other than slants/curls/fade-streak?
The deep ball attention has now been garnered by Hill, and prior to injury Conley appeared to fill the role of possession receiver despite measurables and college production reflecting that of a playmaker.

Maybe Dorsey can get Conley back at a reduced price if Veach wants to go another direction?

I don’t dislike Conley, but in no way am I enamoured with him. If forced to keep one of him or Wilson, I keep Wilson.

Wonder if the bears would take a late round pick for Kevin White?

I don’t think Conley fit the offense they ran with Alex

Hopefully he’ll be better with Pat

No doubt I’d stick with Conley. I’m just talking about Richardson as a player.

They’d need to take a gallon of milk if it were me. Has he played 5 games yet in 3 years?

He’d be a cheap reclamation type

Wilson is a UFA this year, Conley is a UFA next year.

They can re-sign Wilson while having Conley in the 2018 but if they sign a guy like Paul Richardson and Wilson, it would appear that Conley's days are numbered.

Nah dude.

Boston is soft. He was a beneficiary of great play in front of him. Dude is a part-time tackler. We need sure tacklers in the secondary - enough of the disgrace that was Parker/Peters/Sorenson/Murray with regards to tackling.

There are a lot of young, hungry, versatile safeties in this draft that can intimidate with physicality and cover well:

Watts, Elliott, Reid, Allen, White to name a few. Some will be around in the 3rd.

$5.2 million against the Cap in 2018.

I'd rather they sign him to a Vet Min deal, if they even have any interest.

I think that trust and ball placement will be very different in 2018 as opposed to 2017.

Conley has the size, speed and smarts to become a really productive player I think he was on his way to his best season last year when he tores his Achilles.

In many ways, this is kind of a "Make Or Break" season for him because if he doesn't put up 700-800 yards and a few TD's, he not going to get much in Free Agency.

I ageee totaly. Fix the damn defense with some vet help.

Can he, though?

The Chiefs WR corp hasn't been very good during his tenure. Bowe flopped, Avery was always injured, Albert Wilson needed 3+ years to become an average receiver, DAT flopped, Conley's been too injured during his career to really have a chance to ascend and Robinson has shown zero ability, IMO, other than to drop easy passes.

Maybe Veach has a completely different idea of what type of receiver will be best for the new offense and QB but Reid hasn't shown any ability to "develop" WR's, outside of Tyreek Hill, who was criminally underrated, talent-wise, due to his off the field issues.

Flip side of this: the Chiefs offense is very young and the defense still has some really good veteran players on it.

I think Veach adds some vets on offense and the draft will be a defensive overload as they are clearly looking for youth and speed there.

If I were Veach, I would go hard to sign Kyle Fuller and Sheldon Richardson. Then you sign a WR, someone like Jordan Matthews, or Watkins or the likes on a one-year deal or reasonable contract for a few years. I wouldn't mind drafting a WR but I definitely favour signing a FA to have something of a sure thing for the beginnings of Mahomes.

As for the rest, you try to find some valuable players for cheap deals.

I for one, am happy you are not

Bowe failing was 100% Bowe.

I don't think Reid is an elite WR developer, but he's adequate. The Chiefs haven't invested anything beyond a late Friday choice, at best, in the position.

True

But they could see him first hand for a late round pick and maybe he gets past the injury stuff and becomes a legit number 1 guy?

Tyreek for one and Wilson another as an Udfa.

He was also playing with smith at qb who is pretty well o own to not exactly help WRs

I think he’s pretty misfit in the WCO. He’s not real quick and sharp as a route runner

He should be in a more downfield one I think. He’s a great character guy and could maybe be a good intermediate threat but he’s never seemed to be more than a workout warrior to me

That's a lot of "If's", Dude

Sure but whatever they do this offseason is gonna have a lot of ifs.

Plus I didn’t have one if I’m my post actually

Okay, “maybe’s”

:D

But it would def be a risk. His injuries haven’t worked out.

Just trying to think outside the box on how they could use the late round picks for blue chip guys

Teams have unreal amounts of cap space and the chiefs aren’t going to be able to compete with them for the big names

They need to ID guys they think maybe had down years because of the system and or coaching and try to get them on cheap deals

Or even try and trade for them before they’re cut if it’s a big name. But I think some of these players know what’s goin on and KC. I think with an awesome young QB it’s a great selling point.

Seattle trying to trade Earl Thomas. Man that’d be fun just for a season LOL. Not realistic at all but would be fun.

How much cap space do we expect the Chiefs to have? How much will some of these FAs cost?

Norwell?

S Richardson?

Watkins?

P Richardson?

T Pryor?

Butler?

Amukamara?

Vaccaro?

Mathieu?

none of the players people want in this thread are realistic

not a free agent

Veach used the term “impact players”. We’re gonna see what that means to him.

Lol wut? There are plenty of guys a lot of us are mentioning that are realistic.

They don’t have the money to go after anyone that big

Too many other teams can front load deals in a way the chiefs can’t

Maybe a guy like Vacarro. Maybe.

I think Veach is done handing out mega contracts unless it’s for guys who truly deserve (Tyreek Hill).

We need more Sean Smith type deals that don’t ruin our cap.

Yeah it’ll be guys like Smith who maybe aren’t as highly regarded

They just don’t have the money to get too much done

Uh, no.

Even by conservative standards after Hali is released we'll have 24 million to spend.

And since I think he will be released I want to say I was completely wrong about Hali.

I was against him on draft day (when he fit a Tampa 2) and when they moved him to OLB in a 3-4 I was even more against him and the move. I had no faith in him as a stand up rusher.

I was dead wrong.

Thank you Tamba. Thank you for your leadership, morality, and willingness to be a mentor. Thank you for not giving up.

Not players, but MEN like you and DJ will be missed...

What is KC's tentative cap situation in 2019? They dont have to pay a 1st round pick and no longer have to worry about Peters' contract...or have a real QB salary.

They HAVE to have money...and need to take advantage of 4 years of Mahomes on the cheap.

Don’t think it’s bad but they still can’t get too crazy this year I don’t think

So many of these other teams have crazy amounts of cash to throw into signing bonuses the chiefs don’t

If we do cut Ford and Hali (and I expect us to) we should have $42 MILLION in cap space.

AFTER DEAD MONEY...

They just said they weren’t cutting Ford.

They’ll have like 35 mil total before draft slotting.


Some of these teams have in the 80s available

Yup. Crazier things have happened. He could put his nuts on the table and make a trade for Earl Thomas or Honey Badger then take a CB in round 2 or 3. He’s got a variety of ways to go. Now, I’m not expecting him to trade draft capital for Thomas, but he could for a younger Matheiu.

Our grey-haired DC made a point of us not having play-makers on D like we have on the Offense.

V is willing to move.

Who? I see the same names. Robinson, Watkins, Butler, Fuller, Richardson, Honey Badger, etc

Sutton didn't draft the players.
Veach is the one that was talking about Ford and his value along with the way he plays and what he brings to the table when healthy.

Well he's never healthy and only had 1 good game, but I don't think Veach would come out and openly say he sucks.

Hali is now cheap to 1 mil. He may not get cut. I hope he does for sure but if he was then why restructure.

Fuller and Richardson are definitely realistic.

As are Avery Williamson, Tre Boston, DaQuan Jones, Justin Ellis etc.

I’m not sure fuller really is. He’s gonna get paid

The others are but I think he’s talking about the high dollar guys everyone is talking about

I’d trade him to Cleveland for either the #33 or #35 picks.

Draft Landry or Key. You save a lot of money and allow for some FA flexibility. Take a flyer on Trent Murphy or Junior Galette as insurance. I think KPass will improve a lot this season.

Fuller and Richardson are so far from realistic its not even funny

The Bears like Fuller, have a ton of cap space, and still aren’t going to tag him. He’d probably be our most expensive FA, but he’s realistic. Especially when you consider that he’d probably love to play with his little brother.

Sure but he’s probably gonna get 8-10 per year

Not sure they’ll wanna do that

According to kind of a shitty article thing that La Canfora wrote:

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/t...nfl-offseason/

That was from February 16th, so stuff has probably changed since then. Just something to watch for.

There's virtually no way Veach signs Richardson, guys.

Low character, plays when he wants to play, unmotivated.

The Chiefs will have the cap space to sign Kyle Fuller but at $10 million per, should they?

Fuller's had one very good year out of 4 and his 5th year option wasn't picked up.

$6 or $7 milliion? Sure. $10?...

Depends what the guaranteed money would be. I’d try and be a bit more incentive laden with his injury history

And I agree there’s probably a really low chance they bring in Richardson after just trading peters

I'd argue the opposite.

"We have a ton of $$$ this offseason but we're not putting up with your BS. Clean it up or move on..."

Rapoport suggested the interest wasn't there with the Eagles "stacked at tight end" and "dealing with cap considerations." 16 teams have already reached out to Burton and he's expected to have a strong market in free agency. After spending the past few years as a backup behind Zach Ertz, Burton will look to be in a starting role. Mar 3 - 1:14 PM

Jesus.

hes not going to take an incentive deal where theres teams with 80 million in cap that can give him an entire payday and still not dent their space or flexibility.

Dude we don’t have a ton of money this offseason
Even with 35 mil they’re average in terms of the rest of the league

True

Considering only 3 Chiefs are being payed more than $10 million...(Houston, Berry and Fisher)..I think $35 million will be enough to sign a few players.

Sure

But they aren’t gonna be able to compete with the teams that are flush with cash. The chiefs would have to get creative with it and those teams can just outbid them without hurting their cap

Money isn’t the only factor to where these guys sign.

They can say it’s not

But it is

Exactly.

If it were, the Cleveland Browns would manage to OCCASIONALLY sign a big-name free agent to a deal. Who's the last big name they attracted? Jamal Lewis? And that was a Jamal Lewis at the end of his career, too.

Occasionally money isn’t the driving factor

Overwhelmingly, it is

Bad approach.

If I’m spending money, I want to spend it on a true young talent, and there aren’t many of those guys this year. Overpaying for lesser value is what got us in this hell hole.

We also have to give new deals Tyreek Hill, Chris Jones and Kendall Fuller next offseason.

So Say we have $30m to spend, what kind of contracts do you think we can hand out?

x1 contract @ ~$10m per year
x1 contract @ ~$7m per year
x2 contract @ ~$4m per year
x2 contract @ ~$2.5m per year

To the guys at the top tier it absolutely is. The Allen Robinson, Sammy Watkins, Jarvis Landy, Kirk Cousins, Truimaine Johnson tier absolutely want to be paid every bit on the highest end.

To lazy character guys like Sheldon Richardson and Mo Wilkerson they also care about the dollar sign and dollar sign only.

To that 2nd and 3rd tier guys that still need to play their way into a bigger contract cause of injury, opportunity, poor play, etc (The Trent Murphys, David Amersons, Kenny Vaccaro etc) then yes money isn't the only factor. There are a ton of veterans that will probably take way less just to prove they can still play in this league. Those guys carry injury, production, character concerns.


But I mean Kurt Coleman just got cut and then got a 3 year 18 million dollar deal. 6 million a year for KURT SLOWMAN WHO IS 30 to play safety. That's garbage. That's who the Saints signed to replace Vacarro. Think about that. There will be tons of signings like that this year.

Bad approach? I never said be reckless with contracts...the only player I've mentioned is Tyrann Mathieu...he is 25...the o-lineman from the Panthers too.

The cap keeps going up...and KC is shedding dead money soon. They dont have to wait until it is actually gone....they can stagger deals.