I thought I'd read that he was struggling and had thrown several during rookie camp and OTAs.

It didn't raise any alarm bells for me because...duh. He's a rookie gunslinger, he goin' do that.

But if Reid thought that he might be a tick further away than they'd hoped and saw a method to keeping Smith on the roster in '18, maybe that's the reason. Personally, I HATE that decision. I mean absolutely loathe it. It effectively kills 1/2 the true financial advantage that comes with a rookie QB due to the high cost of a top 10 5th year option.

But they didn't ask me and I'm just trying to spitball. It's not impossible that they're planning for that eventuality and by cutting Maclin early, they give him time to latch on with another squad. If they wait until camp, they'd really be boning a solid veteran player and good soldier so I don't think they'd go that route.

I could see it as a "just in case" scenario. I think they aren't planning on keeping him though. And I don't envision Mahomes not starting in 2018 either.

If he plays out his contract and is signed elsewhere as a FA afterwards, that will almost positively bet us a comp pick in the 3rd / 4th range.

Maybe he thinks a team would trade a 2 for him next offseason...which is possible.

What team is trading a 2nd round pick for a 34 year old QB that doesn't throw for more than 20 TDs in a season?

Did someone duplicate our team?

I could see the Jags doubt it, along with 2-3 others.

The jags would be perfect, though.

Smith will get an extension if Mahomes doesn't perform well in the preseason.

There is also the possibility of Smith having a career year..which would make things interesting if Mahomes isnt quite ready. He knows he has to perform this year...he was the #1 rated QB the year after they drafted Kaepernick then was injured.

first time in a LONG time that I'm excited about pre-season so see what we have in a few players. I usually just completely ignore PS altogether for the most part.

Lol no. You don't draft a QB in the 1st then turn around and give your starter an extension.

The 17 mil from cutting smith would go a long way into locking up the young guys here and it adding more weapons for your young qb. I'd be surprised if he's in the roster next june

In my dreams.


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The same way the Eagles received a #1 and #4 from Minnesota.

An injured starter.

Yes, the Bills and the Jets.

If the Chiefs release Smith early next year, it won't be to add offensive free agents. For one, they tried that with Bowe and Maclin, giving identical 5 year, $55 million dollar deals that blew up in their face.

#2, the list of free agent wide receivers is pretty much dogshit. I doubt the Dolphins allow Jarvis Landry to leave, same with the Texans and DeAndre Hopkins. Alshon Jeffery will be 28 and he's injury prone. Maybe they might be able to lure Allen Robinson but it's likely that the Jags will at least use the Transition Tag on him, so he'll cost at least a #2 and $6 million per.

The rest are a whole lot of "meh".

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agen...wide-receiver/

The Tight End market is pretty weak as well. They're already paying Kelce $9 million per, so they're not going to get into a bidding war and pay Tyler Eifert $10 million per or more (and Cincy is likely to keep him). If Escobar or Travis plays well, both will be on the cheap (and Travis will be under contract next year, anyway).

Again, the rest are a whole lot of "meh" and none deserve big contracts.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/2018/tight-end/

They're going to save a ton of cap room after releasing DJ, Hali, Reid, Harris, etc. and unless Mahomes plays like Dak and/or Smith takes a gigantic step back, I don't see the Chiefs rushing to clear cap space by releasing Smith with the reasoning of getting more weapons for Mahomes.

They'll continue to do that in the draft.

Allen Robinson can/should be the target if the Jags don't franchise him.

Teams do not receive any compensation for losing a player slapped with the transition tag so if the Jags use it on Robinson, who cares? That just gives them right of first refusal.

Robinson would be an outstanding fit here. He's young, he's aggressive, he's fast and he has great size. He'd be something like 25 yrs old in his first season here so you'd think there'd be plenty of tread left on the tires.

I see no reason to just close the door on him or refer to him as 'pretty much dogshit'. In his 2nd year in the NFL, the only year with even remotely stable QB play, he had 1,400 yards and 80 receptions.

The guy's a slam-dunk pickup but I doubt we'll be so lucky. The Jags would be nuts to let him hit the market.

It doesn't necessarily have to be offensive weapons per say, though. All those guys they'll cut will need to have replacements added and they'll need a starter or three on defense.

Using Mahomes cheap years to load up the defense so they don't have to put so much pressure in him early is another big factor.

They traded up for Mahomes can get out from under Smith next years gaining a lot of money to lock up some more of their young core.

Not only will Smith remain on the roster in 2018, he will then be traded for two FIRST round picks, and THEN win a Super Bowl! WITH THE BROWNS! AFTER BEING NAMED LEAGUE MVP!

HE WILL BEAT ALL THE ODDS! FINALLY!!!!111one

He'd be worthless if they trade for Smith.

Dorsey won't allow Ford and Morse to be FA's IMO. I think they try to get both of these guys, Santos and Conley new deals without letting them enter FA.

Also think they are going to try to work on Mitchell or Nelson too.

Maybe they'd be interested in sending us Jalen Ramsey? Maybe?

Oops, I was thinking they'd give him a 2nd round tender.

Also, I wasn't implying he was dogshit but that the rest of the list, outside of the guys I mentioned, were dogshit.

That said, I have a hard time believing that Coughlin will let him walk, especially if they tank this year with Bortles and decide to draft a QB in the first.

Robinson would be the rookie's best friend.

There's really not any high priced DT's, outside of maybe Logan (who the Chiefs will likely retain if he plays well) or Poe. The rest kind of look like mid-level guys.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agen...ensive-tackle/

There aren't any inside linebackers that will command much money, if anything over Vet Min

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agen...de-linebacker/

The best of the OLB's (Melvin Gordon, Vontaze Burfict) will likley be re-signed by their current teams. The rest of the list (outside of Aldon Smith, someone I think the Chiefs would absolutely avoid) is pretty meh and certainly not deserving of a huge deal.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agen...de-linebacker/

The Chiefs traded up for Mahomes because they want a QB for the next 12-15 years, not necessarily to save cap space.

Furthermore, the Chiefs have really pretty much busted on their high priced Free Agent acquisitions (re-siging Bowe, Maclin, Vance Walker, Dunta Robinson, Anthony Fasano, etc.) with the lone exception of Sean Smith, whom they let walk at the right time.

If they do cut Smith next year, they'll just use that money to extend Ford and Peters and maybe bring back Logan, then rollover the rest into 2019, which is probably the best move considering all of the uncertainty surrounding the 2021 CBA.

I'd prefer they use the money to lock up the current guys here ideally.

Yeah, based on Dorsey's past in KC, I'm sure that's the plan.

Morse, Ford, Peters, Conley, RNR, and possibly DJ Alexander, Ramik Wilson and Terrance Mitchell are all on the horizon.

I'm not sure exactly how it would work, but when I went on OTC Friday night, cutting Maclin now and cutting him in 2018 resulted in the same cap space for 2018. Maybe they can get more this way, but if so that is quite the loophole in the salary cap.

In before "Ramik Wilson sucks"

Chiefs sign WR Tevin Jones

Chiefs signed Tevin Jones

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Here's my deal... the Chiefs didn't even attempt to ask Maclin to take a pay cut. Not at all. So they clearly wanted to move on, just as much as they wanted the cap room.

They want the young WRs to play, IMO.

Tevin Jones
6'2" 217 lbs
4.4 speed
6.86 3 cone
18 bench reps

I like that the Chiefs are going more towards signing players that truly love the game instead of receiving big pay checks.

They don't factor in rollovers on stuff like that and Spotrac because it isn't official yet.

Their 'committed cap' for '18 wouldn't change any, but the amount of spending cap they have available to them goes up by any amount unspent in '17.

And yeah, it changes cap calculations quite a bit and makes backloaded contracts completely painless because money saved up front can 'pay forward' on itself in later years.

That's why the extension that Smith signed in '14 was often unfairly criticized. Smith was due to get $8 million in '14 but by extending and restructuring the first year, he lopped that year 1 figure down to $4.6 million and effectively created a $3.5 million 'surplus' that forward paid on his '15 number. So while his '15 cap figure was $15.6 million, the extension created an additional $3.5 million in carryover that effectively reduced that second year to just a tick over $12 million.

Cap rollover has changed the way you have to look at cap situations and cap casualties a great deal. That's why I've been calling for Colquitt's scalp for 2 years now. You have to always be looking 2-3 years down the road because it all continues to accumulate.

Did the same thing with Jamaal.

They'll either pay you what you're owed or if they decide you're not worth that, they figure they've got somebody that can replace you.

I don't remember the Chiefs ever seeking a 'paycut' during the Dorsey era. I know Carl was ALWAYS doing that but I can't recall this regime going that route at any point.

Lunch pail white guy on the defensive line took a pay cut a couple years ago. Pretty sure Tamba did as well.

Derrick Johnson and Anthony Sherman took pay cuts back in March.

I thought DeVito was a free agent who signed on a reduced contract. I'm pretty sure Hali was the same animal.

If Sherman took a paycut, that would be the kind of thing I'm talking about as that's just taking less while under contract to avoid getting cut outright.

DJ restructured but if he hits all of his incentives, he'll earn the same as the original contract.

DeVito restructured in 2015 after the 2014 Achilles injury.

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl...e13119785.html

Hali restructured, then weirdly, the Chiefs took a $4 million dollar cap hit, then re-signed him to a 3 year, $21 million dollar deal.

Tevin Jones?



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No wonder they cut Maclin.

He spent most of his time on the Texans practice squad

3 weeks

Another lanky burner.

Dorsey is digging deep for big, fast guys Mahomes can chuck it down the field to.

The Chiefs undeniably ****ed up that entire Hali thing. How do you let the guy hit the 'voidable' period of his deal that accelerates $4 million onto your cap and THEN extend him?

And lord, the guaranteed money he and DJ are getting is just ridiculous. linebackers in their mid-30s getting $5 million guaranteed salaries in year 2...ugh, just needlessly reckless.

Tamba had all the leverage last year. He knew Houston had surgery and we needed him.

Did we?

Guy wasn't terribly effective for most of the year. Do we really think that we couldn't have brought in Freeney for 1/5 the cost and no long-term liability?

Dorsey panicked, IMO.

The biggest question about the Hali situation is why didn't he play more against Pittsburgh?

The numbers suggest that the guy was still very efficient at generating pressure when he played. We really could have used his relentlessness against the Steelers OL, but we won't go there for other reasons.

If he is completely broken physically, it is a bad contract. But, if he can still give solid snaps as he did last year, I don't mind it.

Hali had the 4th most pressures of anyone last year! Yes he even played half the time. Dude is a beast

Perhaps that's why Trip MacCracken is out and we just hired a new cap guy...

Anyone else notice we have two punters right now? A undrafted rookie to go along with Colquitt, name is Will Monday. LMAO

Seriously though, I wouldn't be surprised if Colquitt gets cut in camp. He is a FA after this year, but if we cut him now, we get the cap rollover room.

$4.1 million in cap space instantly gained. Only $800k in dead money.

Holy shit look at this guy!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MWuEBIE3yFM

Quick form and great technique. He also was one of the best in CFB at pinning balls inside the 20 per his draft profile.

It's been fun Mr. Colquitt, but this kid and $4 million sounds better.

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Lol people are scouting punters now? LMAO
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Aight, I gotta' step in here for a minute.

Now you know I am NO GODDAMNED FAN of the stabilization process this pitiful offense has been undergoing since the San Francisco Bitch and all of his jive-assed, monkey **** fans showed up at our doorstep.
That said, we're almost 100% through with that shit and we have every reason to be excited about where the team is headed.
So I'm asking you, in public, to please dial it back a bit and let Dorsey finish his work before you brand his ass with a flaming "F" for failure.
Yes, I know another season of Smith is completely shitty, useless, pointless, and just about every other sorrowful adjective one could assign to his pitiful ass, but the rook needs the redshirt year.
It has to happen.
Look at at this way:
We're all still young and will more than likely live to see KC win a 'ship with the new QB and setup that we are building.
Also, we have one more year to mercilessly beat Smith up and down the internet as he so rightly deserves. ( FUN! )
So hang tight; we're almost home.

And isn't that delightful? :)

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And at that time Ford was looking more bust than boom.

Yes, I want the coaches and players to help develop PMII in the best way possible, and only give him snaps when he is ready for them.

Savor this development time. These people know what they're doing.

He's played 1/2 a season...

We cut MVP - I cut you...

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2014 was a strong draft class for WR's, which is why it was a missed opportunity when Dorsey did not draft a WR during that draft (unless you count the drafting of DAT as a WR).

At least the Chiefs drafted a WR in this draft, although if the plan all along was to release the team's most established/experienced WR (Maclin), they could have made that move in March (and designated Maclin as a post-June 1st cut), and could have been more aggressive in addressing the WR position in free agency and the draft.

Hopefully this won't be a repeat of 2014 when the Chiefs overestimated what they had at WR and the result was the no TD receptions by a WR season.

Maclin is visiting the Bills. With David Culley and his old teammate Shady mcCoy there, I think that's where he goes.

Add the fact that the Bills come to arrowhead, I think he'd love to come back and kick our ass.

Yup has a visit today probably a 1 year deal.

It's only fair to give the Bills credit. I think they finally have management to help them get back to the playoffs.

Tre'Davious White was a good pick. Say Jones was my favorite WR in the draft, Dion Dawkins was universally liked on this board as an elite OL in the draft and they got have 2 first rd picks next year.

Now add Maclin to Sammy Watkins, Shady McCoy and Zay jones. I think they had a good offseason.

and he probably will. Thats one of those opponents the Chiefs should beat by 40 but our QB only musters up 1 touchdown and the defense plays great and we lose 14-10 ala Bucs and Titans last year

Goddammit...we have to play the ****ing Bills again?!?!

Seems like every year...

We aren't losing to the Bills at home.

How? That's week 12. He will be on the PUP list by then!

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But they still have Tyrod Taylor...

Exactly. If Alex can't do much better with all of his weapons, how can you expect anything different out of Tyrod?

I think that's why they traded with us to get more ammo for next years class.

CP loves sucking off that turd, Tyrod

Counterpoint: they have a new coach/system and they're the Bills.

Bills get too much respect from Chief fans. Reid is 3-0 vs Buffalo as KC coach. Haven't participated in the postseason since 1999. Even Brown fans can laugh at that.

Its not 1991 anymore

Mahomes should start week 12.

Our 1 playoff in 24 year kicks major ass.

What's that have to do with being scared of Buffalo? We are 3-0 with those guys. Losing to the Bills coincided with losing to Tom Cable's Raiders.

It's in the past

Per Terez Paylor

Reid says Ty Hill will get the first crack at the "Z" spot Maclin vacates. Says he could envision good production there

As an owner of Sammy Watkins the last two years I'm here to tell you that by November he will be spending his days on the sideline.