<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Josh Allen had a good day today. <a href="https://t.co/yFcBFGPBc2">pic.twitter.com/yFcBFGPBc2</a></p>&mdash; Daniel Jeremiah (@MoveTheSticks) <a href="https://twitter.com/MoveTheSticks/status/956667357816086529?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 25, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The QBs on the <a href="https://twitter.com/seniorbowl?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@seniorbowl</a> North squad sure can spin it. How they compared on Thursday (via <a href="https://twitter.com/ZebraTechnology?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ZebraTechnology</a>) <a href="https://t.co/X0U2D4QPgD">pic.twitter.com/X0U2D4QPgD</a></p>&mdash; Gil Brandt (@Gil_Brandt) <a href="https://twitter.com/Gil_Brandt/status/956673930030284801?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 25, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

LMAO That's how it read to me as well.

Not much humbleness intertwined in Allen's statements. Likes to spread blame. If all of that is true, the GMs and scouts will see it. No need to say it to the media.

I've never once heard Patrick Mahomes say anything about how he had to carry one of the worst defenses in college football over a 3 year span, but it'd be true.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The great Louis Riddick on <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/OU?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#OU</a>&#39;s star QB at the Senior Bowl: &quot;When it comes time for 11-on-11 nobody does it as good as Baker Mayfield. He&#39;s been everything as advertised. People are gonna try &amp; poke holes against this kid. But you&#39;d be making a mistake to bang against this kid.&quot;</p>&mdash; Bruce Feldman (@BruceFeldmanCFB) <a href="https://twitter.com/BruceFeldmanCFB/status/956582802295701504?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 25, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Hey Knowmo, this is where you post that quote from last summer about Josh Allen being a better version of Mahomes and look like a butt****ing moron while doing so

Yes, Allen put some bad things on film. I still think his upside is higher than Mahomes'.

You're a ****ing idiot if that's what you think.

Allen is my third favorite QB in this class. Saying he's a better version of Mahomes means something totally different to me than it does to you guys.

It means you're a Broncos fan... that's it.

Mahomes' ability to be learn is what is the most impressive quality Patrick has considering the pedigree of QBs that came out of Texas Tech. I thought the Chiefs would have bear another year of Alex because PMII would still be behind the curve coming from said pedigree.

If Mahomes were a Bronco, there's no ****ing way you'd say something like that.

Because he's a Chief, it's your current mission in life to shit on him any possible way you can.

I've kept my opinion of Mahomes to myself until week 17. And I wouldn't have said anything if Chiefs fans didn't start lying and saying that Denver's starters played the entire game and Mahomes beat them single-handedly with backups.

That's a bunch of Elwayshit and you know it.

There's bias involved with your view of Mahomes as well as the 2018 class, Knowmo. And I'll be honest, I'd have a little bias too if Mahomes was a Bronco and we were still looking for the QBOTF. HOWEVER...

I can say wholeheartedly that Mahomes was my favorite QB prospect since, I don't even know, Luck? And I didn't take him all that seriously because I knew he was headed to the Colts from the get go. It's evident in posts from before the 2017 draft.

I just wonder if you have a guy that gives you even close to those same feelings? Genuinely, as we sit here in January. Is there that one QB that you're going to be very pissed off if Denver passes on? Because that's where I was with Mahomes. And if you're serious about any of these QBs in this class, you'll identify one of them in the same way.

I wanted Mahomes more than any other QB since 2012

Mahomes traits that I loved:

Intelligence
Field vision
Attitude
Arm strength
Accuracy
Creativity
Size

I totally believe in Darnold but that's probably not gonna happen.

I do think Mayfield has a rare combination of leadership, competitiveness, accuracy, and playmaking ability.

As of today, Darnold has the best chance to turn into an elite guy IMO. Mayfield might pan out, I think he needs to go to a really good situation to allow his skill set to work. Rosen feels like the surest thing to me but again, he's going to need good coaching or I think it may be another Goff situation.

But I don't see it with Allen. Jackson holds the ball way too long at times which tells me he probably doesn't read defenses too well.

Rosen could be the best of the bunch. I just don't like the package of being scrawny, unathletic, and the perception that he's unwilling to play hurt. Add in the character stuff and I think he could fall.

KnowMo fluffing hard and heavy today.

A better angle...

<blockquote class="twitter-video" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In their final practice of the week at the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SeniorBowl?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SeniorBowl</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/wyo_football?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@wyo_football</a> QB Josh Allen found <a href="https://twitter.com/BroncoSportsFB?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BroncoSportsFB</a> WR Cedric WIlson over the middle for a touchdown! <a href="https://t.co/IZnIQaCBdc">pic.twitter.com/IZnIQaCBdc</a></p>&mdash; Pro Football Focus (@PFF) <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF/status/956908651721248768?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 26, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Throw of the week at the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SeniorBowl?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SeniorBowl</a>? Our analysts went for Josh Allen&#39;s deep bomb to Michael Gallup in the WR-CB one-on-one drill <a href="https://t.co/cF8ni62COy">pic.twitter.com/cF8ni62COy</a></p>&mdash; Pro Football Focus (@PFF) <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF/status/956976841809678336?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 26, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Interesting to see how many more passes the North QB's threw.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">From our partners <a href="https://twitter.com/ZebraTechnology?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ZebraTechnology</a> &gt; Shows total throws and average percentages on speed for our QBs over the 3 practices this week. We&#39;ll have performance data after each quarter of Saturday&#39;s game - LIVE on <a href="https://twitter.com/nflnetwork?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@nflnetwork</a> at 2:30pm ET! <a href="https://t.co/U4NWKjtrf3">pic.twitter.com/U4NWKjtrf3</a></p>&mdash; Reese&#39;s Senior Bowl (@seniorbowl) <a href="https://twitter.com/seniorbowl/status/957138014299394048?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 27, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Question No. 1: You're an NFL GM with a top-10 pick, and Mayfield and Allen are both on the board. Who are you taking and why?



http://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2018/in...g-quarterbacks

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Josh Allen was named the North team&#39;s Most Outstanding Player in the Senior Bowl. Was 9-of-13 for 158 passing yards and 2 TDs. Also ran for 25 yards.</p>&mdash; Nicki Jhabvala (@NickiJhabvala) <a href="https://twitter.com/NickiJhabvala/status/957399609424330752?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 27, 2018</a></blockquote>
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That confirms it. Dorsey will draft Josh Allen. He always drafts Senior Bowl standouts...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-cards="hidden" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The buzz for <a href="https://twitter.com/JoshAllenQB?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@JoshAllenQB</a> is about to hit a new high.<br><br>7 prospects who helped themselves in <a href="https://twitter.com/seniorbowl?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@seniorbowl</a>: <a href="https://t.co/VjY2pVL1Lm">https://t.co/VjY2pVL1Lm</a> (via <a href="https://twitter.com/MoveTheSticks?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MoveTheSticks</a>) <a href="https://t.co/Hk5p23GvV2">pic.twitter.com/Hk5p23GvV2</a></p>&mdash; CollegeFootball 24/7 (@NFLDraft) <a href="https://twitter.com/NFLDraft/status/957420414522810374?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 28, 2018</a></blockquote>
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The KnowMo fluffeth...

Josh Allen reminds me of Rex Grossman

Some Teams Scared of Drafting Josh Rosen

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...ramming-league

Yup

Mayfield to the Browns?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...rowns-at-no-1/

Its been pretty known that Dorsey likes Mayfield.

Could see Barkley or Chubb at 1 and Mayfield at 4.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Josh Allen made some really beautiful throws during the Senior Bowl week of practices. I&#39;m a lot more intrigued by him as a prospect than I was a week ago. <a href="https://t.co/adAbmv34qz">pic.twitter.com/adAbmv34qz</a></p>&mdash; Sam Monson (@PFF_Sam) <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF_Sam/status/958044653995151360?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 29, 2018</a></blockquote>
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LMAO

NFL Executives agree...
https://www.si.com/mmqb/2017/06/15/a...icamp-notebook

that's a summer 2017 article

LMAO

No NFL exec is saying that right now, and if they are they need to be shitcanned yesterday.

"My name is Knowmo, and I'm not here to troll! I actually believe everything I say!"

As I said before, the most impressive attribute that Mahomes has is his ability to learn and assimilate information.

Patrick will be more like Rodgers than Favre concerning his ability to play within the scheme.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-cards="hidden" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Bruce Arians believes college QB crop may be &quot;best in the last 15 or 20 years&quot; <a href="https://t.co/HTtr5pepiA">https://t.co/HTtr5pepiA</a></p>&mdash; ProFootballTalk (@ProFootballTalk) <a href="https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/958943881407549440?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 1, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Regardless of how good or bad the class is, it's irrelevant to you because your QB will be Kirk Cousins.

Elway to afraid to take another QB early?

If Elway does sign Cousins, he's going to use this great crop of QB's as leverage to drive Cousins' asking price down.

Yeah, no.

If Denver is the only team after Cousins, maybe. Is that likely to be the case?

lolwut?

Elway: Hey Cousins....we're going to need you to sign for less than $25 million.

Cousins: Uhhh....why's that?

Elway: Because we'll just draft Josh Allen and start him.

Cousins: ROFL Good luck with that.

No, but his biggest suitors all have top 6 picks in the draft.

If they also think this is the best QB draft in 20 years, I'm sure they'd rather pay a guy like Mayfield $29M over 4 years than give Cousins $29M every year for 4 years.

I know I would.

"I will say this Patrick Mahomes was 25x better prospect in my mind than Josh Allen and Andy Reid knows what he is doing with QBs, so Chiefs should be fine." - Robert Littal

3rd party reporter sees the obvious.

Never heard of him.

Sorry, but you don't know ****ing shit about "leverage" in NFL player negotiations.

Since Manning left, every time Elway has tried to drive down the price on a player, that player has told Elway to go **** himself.

The NFL doesn't work the way you think it does. It's not a ****ing game of Monopoly.

Andrew Brandt disagrees... He thinks the rookie class is going to drive down Cousins' price.

https://www.podcastone.com/episode/R...-Andrew-Brandt

(7:38 mark)

You mean like it drove down the price for Alex Smith?

Yeah, get the **** out of here with that shit.

The Redskins don't have a top 6 pick, and $23.5M per year is actually a pretty good deal for the leagues highest rated passer.

Nobody is going to be counting on a rookie QB. You roll the dice and draft them, sure, but you don't ASSUME they're going to be a quality starter day one. People's livelihood is on the line. You don't take a chance like that.

ROFL

Great take, Tigger.

NFL Media's Lance Zierlein compared Wyoming QB Josh Allen to former Washington QB Jake Locker.
This is a comp that we have heard a few times before and it's one that figures to continue to circulate as we head into the spring. Writes Zierlein, "Allen can make some truly special throws, but his ability to improve the mental part of his game will determine whether he's a good NFL starter or just another big, strong-armed guy." He additionally touches on the 6-foot-4, 237-pounder's supporting cast (or lack thereof) at Wyoming, long one of the touchstone arguments in Allen's favor among the quarterback's defenders. Zierlein acknowledges that Cowboy wideouts did, indeed, struggle to gain separation last season, but also notes that "there were plenty of times where [Allen's] lack of anticipation and post-snap plan did him in."

NFL Draft Tracker QB Grades. I will list this year and last year's class just to piss people off.

Darnold 7.1
Trubisky 6.3
Rosen 6.1
Mayfield 6.0
Jackson 6.0
Watson 5.9
Allen 5.9
Rudolph 5.9

and last but not least ....

Mahomes 5.8

Good thing that means absolutely nothing

There was one scouting report on Mahomes I read where it quoted some anonymous GM who said something like, "Probably 75% of front office guys in the NFL have no clue what to do with this player." That's pretty accurate, I think.

We love Mahomes and can see a ton of evidence that he's going to be the next great QB in this league, but I also recognize that Mahomes could have been drafted by some shit-chucking Jeff Fisher ape and would have struggled mightily.

Almost time for the "hand size and wonderlic" masturbation. Which would also be a good name for a porno.

Seems like pretty big exaggeration here...

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...-ball-90-yards

90 yards? I have seen video of him throw it 77 yards. That's a big difference. Strongly doubt the velocity number that this guy is claiming too. 70 mph? The Combine record is 60 mph.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAc-yNX8MYk

Mike Mayock compares Josh Allen to Jamarcus Russell like that's a compliment.

Mayock said Allen's arm strength is comparable to Russell

Started reading from the beginning of this thread everyone's thoughts and opinions and just started ROFL.

After Dorsey hitting on Kareem Hunt no way he does not take Barkeley with his first pick. Barkeley is a stronger faster Elliot. Barkeley parallels Bo Jackson with Jackson being slightly faster on the top end.

http://walterfootball.com/combine2018QB.php

Josh Allen's velocity was clocked at 62 MPH

Mayfield's was 60 MPH

Rosen's was 59 MPH

Lamar Jackson's was 49 MPH

Knowmo not believing in mahomes was a guarantee, no matter how he looked week 17. And who wants him to believe anyway. Only going to make it more fun watching his hopes dwindle slowly over time.

Good read on velocity.

https://twitter.com/markschofield/st...374028800?s=21

Buffalo guy was on with Petro & he said they want Darnold or Rosen in the draft.

Sounds like Cleveland is going to end up with a lot of the Bills draft picks if they want to trade with them.

Last year for comparison sake:

Patrick Mahomes, Texas Tech, 55 (Left), 55 (Right)

Nathan Peterman, Pittsburgh, 49 (Left), 49 (Right)

Mitch Trubisky, North Carolina, 51 (Left), 50 (Right)

Deshaun Watson, Clemson, 45 (Left), 45 (Right)

Davis Webb, California, 56 (Left), 54 (Right)

Mahomes was clocked at 60 MPH at the combine and 62 on the NFLN passing with David Carr

http://blogs.ourlads.com/2017/03/16/...ine-2008-2015/

Has Mahomes at 55 left and right.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HbXhUHIFRkg

Do you believe hearsay numbers or the video

I'll take the numbers from the combine over a makeshift NFL network set.

https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/patrick-mahomes/

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LqYN8IWNE2w

These are my own rankings and will be different from the mainstream media. All of my top 8 have some starter qualities and have a chance of being a starting QB in the NFL imo.

After watching 5+ games on the top 10 QB prospects here is how I would rank them:

1) Sam Darnold (Grade 87, top ten prospect)
- Pros: accuracy, progression ability, ability to extend plays, pocket presence, mobility, clutch, leader, qb persona, arm strength, winner, can make throws in tight windows, size
- Cons: turnovers, unusual delivery, sometimes fooled by coverages, not always consistent with deep ball.

2) Josh Rosen (Grade 85, top ten prospect)
- Pros: Accuracy at all three levels, great understanding of the game, progression ability, pocket presence, arm strength, ability to throw in tight windows, intelligent, size, quick release
- Cons: Durability, few head scratching turnovers, mobility.

3) Baker Mayfield (Grade 82, 1st round prospect)
- Pros: deadly short and intermediate accuracy, clutch, creates energy, leader, winner, arm strength, mobility, moves around pocket well, progression ability, senior
-Cons: size, sometimes misses throwing lanes, size sometimes limits him from stepping up in the pocket, inconsistent deep ball accuracy, occasionally throws late b/c of big arm.

4) Mike White (Grade 78, 2nd round prospect)
-Pros: Accuracy at all three levels, arm strength, progression ability, throws with anticipation, shows ability to step up in the pocket, senior, size
- Cons: Will have to master moving around the pocket because of very limited mobility, sometimes slow going through reads, takes sacks too often.

5) Mason Rudolph (Grade 77, 2nd round prospect)
- Pros: Accuracy, progression ability, pocket presence, senior, QB persona, size
- Cons: Mobility, arm strength

6) Josh Allen (Grade 77, 2nd round prospect)
-Pros: Elite arm strength, makes wow throws with arm strength and accuracy that only he can make, tough, competitive, mobility, size, may have arm talent to overcome deficiencies
-Cons: Does not seem to process the game, misses open WRs, drops eyes to early and runs, misses routine throws, accuracy declines after 1st read, poor statistics.

7) Lamar Jackson (Grade 75, 3rd round prospect)
- Pros: Elite running ability, quick release, makes wow plays every game, show ability to go through progressions, escapability, extends plays
-Cons: Very inconsistent accuracy, lots of over throws on tape, ugly turnovers.

8) Logan Woodside (Grade 73, 4th round prospect)
-Pros: Senior, unmatchable work ethic, football intelligence, quick processor, accurate at all three levels, raises level of play of his teammates, quick release, progression ability, pocket presence
- Cons: may not have enough arm strength to be NFL starter, size

Other QBs that will likely be drafted late in the draft (I consider them developmental back ups): Lauletta, Falk, Benkert, Litton.

Definitely agree with you here. Allen is getting a lot of false hype IMO.

If i was picking a QB to play Madden with it would be Rosen. But for a team like Cleveland, that can't afford any more mistakes, I'd go with Darnold.

Well the numbers at the combine had Mahomes at 59, so you’re off either way.

Darnold struggling to throw down field in the rain at his pro day.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ball velocity numbers (MPH) from the Combine:<br><br>60 - Mahomes<br>59 - Webb<br>56 - Kizer<br>55 - Trubisky, Evans<br>53 - Peterman, Kaaya<br>49 - Watson</p>&mdash; Dane Brugler (@dpbrugler) <a href="https://twitter.com/dpbrugler/status/840334987958329346?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 10, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Excuse me, yes it was 60. I knew he either tied or broke the record as far back as it goes.

I apologize that I Mahomoed out, but he's our guy by hell or high water.