I don't think Kansas is going to come knocking wanting to play football games anytime soon. The last thing they need when their program is a dumpster fire like it usually is would be a tough out of conference game.

I would be in favor of Missouri now and forever moving on from the former rivalry anyway. We are in an entirely new conference now, we are building new traditions and history. The old Big 8 was fun, but it's time to live in the present.

We don't really gain anything by beating a team that has only had a winning conference record 1 of the last 20-odd years. It will just reduce our SOS. We gave them a chance to continue playing each other, and they did the jilted ex-girlfriend act, so fine. We moved on and moved up. They can enjoy Wildcat fans filling up their stadium every other year if they need a rivalry fix in the fall.

I think we've got some interesting things brewing between ourselves and South Carolina, A&M, GA and FL. The neat thing about the SEC is that pretty much all of these teams are all rivals. All these series are hotly contested and competitive.

We don't need anything from them. Their football program has sunk back into the depths after raising the periscope for a few brief moments in the last decade. They are back to being the Duke or Kentucky of their conference. There really doesn't need to be any more ink wasted on Missouri/Kansas.

When you talk about accomplishment in football and basketball the Big 12 conference got stronger. We all know this. Missouri was dead weight which simply took up a spot on all the big boys' schedules.

Going forward who knows but the universal agreement is that KU fans would much rather be playing MU year in and year out than WVU.

I understand, but there is no reason why the Border War can't resume. Even in the SEC you see long standing OOC rivalries played every year. UGA-GT, USC-Clem, UF-FSU. Granted playing KU does not help our OOC, but it is still a longstanding rivalry in college football and one that should continue. The loss of rivalries is the saddest part of realignment although I do think Mizzou has gotten the better end of the realignment deal. It will be hard for us to establish rivalries in the SEC like we had with KU.

Think about it like the NFL, when they realigned and the AFC West lost Seattle no one was that bothered as the Seahawks were never true rivals to the other four teams. Now had the AFC West lost Denver, KC, Oakland, or SD it would have been a different story. Those rivalries are rooted in history and the beginning of the old AFL. You can't replace it with anyone else just like you can't replace the Border War with any other team.

WVU and TCU benefited in playing in weak conferences. Now that they are playing with the big boys they are starting to show their true quality. Lets see if either accomplish more than Missouri did in the Big 12 before stating they were better replacements for what was lost.

We could go burn down Gainesville or Columbia, SC...see what shakes out after that.

Like it or not that is how CFB works. You see the commercials the Big 10 runs pretending like Nebraska won all their Championships while they were in the Big 10? The **** they did. They were good when they were in the Big 8/Big 12... they are mediocre now. Why should the Big 10 "get credit" for those Championships?

It sucks but that's they way it is.

The teams choosing to leave conferences are choosing to end rivalries.

There isn't an example out there that disproves that.

Yeah. Basketball obviously got stronger based on the ass kicking Mizzou just gave West Virginia last night. I didn't even know we were playing until I turned on the radio to a different channel, and they gave the score of the game. Mizzou was up by 20-something.

Looks like another year of not making the tournament for WVU. In fact, neither TCU nor WVU will make the tournament or a bowl game.

No wonder the Big 12 doesn't want to expand. It's hard to find one team in a BCS conference that doesn't make the post-season in either sport. The Big 12 managed to find...and add...two of them.

I don't agree with any of this. The fact that we used to be rivals doesn't mean we need to continue being rivals unless it's good for us. The move to the SEC was better for our school in every possible way. It's not sad to never see KU again. It all is part and parcel to the profile of our program increasing.

The SEC schools consider all the other schools who are competitive in football to be rivals. In a conference like this, every game is a big game. The Florida fans have Georgia to hate, but they also have massive rivalries with Bama, LSU, and Tennessee, for example. People coming from the Big 8 environment don't really get this because it wasn't the way it was there, but being in the SEC replaces the model of having just one major rivalry. It's a different animal. Your rivalry is with the entire conference.

I think we ought to bury it once and for all. Living well is the best revenge.

Yeah, but we had something pretty special with all of those big games between midwestern schools (Missouri, Kansas, K-State, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Colorado).

But that's all been split up. The very center of the country has been split into four different parts. I still get upset about it. Texas ruined college sports in the midwest.

I used to be a big Mizzou supporter, but I lost a lot of interest after the Big 12 broke up (believe me, I do not blame Mizzou. Mizzou's hand was forced and they absolutely made the right move by leaving the conference. I blame Texas for this mess). It's just not the same.



Also important: the big 12 breaking up was not the only factor that caused me to lose interest. I lost a lot of interest in college football altogether because of ridiculous scores (lack of defense) and the shamateurism perpetrated by the NCAA. My alma mater also recently became an FBS school and I follow them more closely than before, as well. The Big 12 break up was just the straw that broke the camel's back.

Missouri could still schedule Kansas. Just take the FCS team off the schedule and it shouldn't hurt the SOS too much.

They can't because Kansas refused. It's not up to MU.

I've got no interest in reviving the rivalry. When your rival is that terrible, it can only hold you back. Just win tomorrow, and we're everybody's rival.

This is a lie and you know it. Mizzou has an open offer to play KU anytime, anywhere. KU refuses to play, therefore KU, and no one else, ended the series. Mizzou fans have moved on, but when you say stupid lying shit like this, it needs to be corrected. Conference affiliation is not necessary for a rivalry game to occur. Many, many bitter rivalries have been cited in this thread that occur between teams from different conferences.

Quit lying and man up and just say KU ended it. I know you won't, because you are either too stupid to do so, or lack the integrity, or both.

Strange that Gary Pinkel publicly begs to play KU yet no one at KU seems to care.

I would just tell him and the MU fans to move on.

name one rivalry that has continued after a team left a conference in the last 5 years.

Yep. Keep winning and everyone will hate you eventually.

There's a first time for everything.

Except for Kansas playing in the conference championship game. There was never a first time for that.

Why are wasting cyberspace on it then? Way too much to wade through for something that's over.

That was before they had a good year and he got fans off his back wanting to run him out (see the MU thread for proof). Now that he's won 10 years of goodwill from the Mizzouchebags he won't need to beat KU to satiate their craziness. Like he needed last year.

Link? :)

This thread is about the conference realignment aftermath, that's what everyone is discussing. It doesn't mean Kansas is a rival anymore.

I see KU is playing Colorado tomorrow

They had a KU ath director and a KU head coach. Hire both at MU and we'll toss you a sympathy game.

yea yea, Final Four, National Championships, BCS bowls...

We've all got our firsts.

What's going to happen once MU fans realize the SEC East is terrible?

I think it would be fun to renew the rivalry but I am not begging for it. If it happens it happens.

Also didn't I read somewhere awhile back the KU was going to play Nebraska again?

I think if they hadn't been such little bitches about it, I'd want it to continue. The way it stands though, I couldn't care less.

Wrong. Georgia Tech left the SEC and they still have their rivalry game with UGA.

The rumor going around was a game in Lawrence and a "return trip" in KC. Sad if true but Self was trying to help his buddy Sadler. Sadler was fired before it got off the ground though.

Only three top 25 teams, two top ten teams, and a top five team...terrible.

You wouldn't recognize good college football even if it came up and kicked you square in the balls.

yea, the 70's. Fordham also used to be the most powerful football program in America too.

Let's try and keep our discussions to the modern age like I said "the last 5 years".

I agree they shouldn't & just b/c these leagues do that from a marketing POV or whatever it doesn't mean we have to play along w/ that which we know to be absurd.

TCU/Utah/WVA all took steps up & have felt the pain adjusting.

aTm, MU & CU essentially made lateral moves.

Neb stepped down but hey at least they're getting paid. Some of their fans already have buyers remorse.

Wow, I just noticed this. Both South Carolina and Missouri got to skip Auburn, Alabama and LSU this season in football. The three best teams in the West.

No wonder they have such inflated rankings.

MU & aTm changed leagues but wanted to continue their series' w/ Tx & KU OOC. Both of those schools we/are mad that they left & did the only thing they could do which was refuse to play.

And there's nothing wrong w/ that. They don't have to play & them being mad is understandable. I get it.

But the reality is that the loser in all this is the fans of all schools involved. All of our various sports seasons would be more fun w/ the series' continuance. Hopefully some day cooler heads prevail but until then meh, that's life.

I'm sure the KU AD didn't like seeing Arrowhead 70-30 Mizzou fans either. And that's with Kansas City being a "KU town", to boot. Oh the humanity.

Imbalanced scheduling is unavoidable w/ these big leagues. But even then if you keep winning you eventually run into a heavy if you happened to miss 'em in the regular season just as Mizzou will tomorrow where we'll find out how good the Tigers really are one way or the other.

Louisville and Cincy have agreed to keep playing.

Ya KU football trying to rebuild definitely doesn't need that game right now. I would guess that's not a factor but merely a fringe benefit. They aren't doing anything Texas isn't.

Is that right? I was watching that last night & I thought they actually nothing was scheduled moving forward?

Cincinnati will do everything they can to stay connected the major conferences.

KU0MU is a very different situation. Neither of the schools need each other.

Yea saul is wrong.

http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa-14/a...l-schedule.php

http://www.gobearcats.com/sports/m-f...schedules.html

Keep moving those goalposts. What happened to your earlier comment about Big 12 BCS bowl winners not losing to FCS schools, btw? Going to own that one?

I didn't say they've scheduled anything. I said they have agreed to schedule each other. It's going to be a couple of years before they can make it happen, though.

If I was MU, I would try to get a series with Nebraska in Kansas City. That would be even a bigger **** you to the Big 12. SEC/Big Ten game in Kansas City.

KU plays a 9 game conference schedule in the only conference that decides a true Champion.

Next year they have an ACC Championship Game participant on the schedule. There's nothing to gain by playing MU.

It's been the position since MU left and has never changed.

No ****ing way. Let Nebraska wither away in their shitty recruiting territory. I'm not inviting them into KC.

Who lost to an FCS? Florida did. Kansas, Texas, Oklahoma, TCU, WVU, Oklahoma State all beat their FCS opponent.

no one is mad. I don't know how much this have to be explained. People would rather play MU than WVU because it's more convenient. That's the only reason and in time that will change.

If you don't want to play in the league why should the teams still in that league care about playing you?

It doesn't make any sense.

KSU lost.

I disagree there would be plenty to gain by winning. Otherwise I think we agree.

You might want to quit for the day.

That was simply awful.

How much do you want to bet they play within five years?

The reality is that MU doesn't need KU when it comes to football....and KU doesn't need MU when it comes to Basketball.

For a team to walk all over in football to take KU's place all we had to do was invert the initials to UK.

For a team that is nationally ranked and always a powerhouse in BB, once again all we had to do was invert the initials.

It was acrimonious and it was personal. Both for Texas toward aTm & KU (& KState for that matter) toward MU. That's plain as day to anyone paying attention.

As to the last question there are many benefits to the schools playing each other. The hoops & football games would generate $, it would be fun for the fans on both sides & frankly it'd be good for college football & college basketball in general. Tradition is one of the things that make both sports great. If any element of it can be preserved through this climate of change it's good for both IMO. That's why they "should". The question you should ask is why they'd necessarily "have" to. They don't & KU doesn't need to put on a defense as to why they aren't playing. At least not to me. I am just giving an opinion as opposed to lobbying per se.

You could say neither one needs the other for anything relatively speaking but that's not really the point.

mu has a 50% winning percentage against Kentucky in football?

Wow you'd think that would be better.

What was the best out if conference win for the Big 12? They didn't have anything resembling a good win last year. Anything this year?

Notre Dame I guess.

Unranked Notre Dame is the best win...by far. Mississippi freaking State might be the second best.

Unless I'm missing something, I don't think the Big 12 won a non-conference game against a bowl eligible team from a BCS conference.

lol, best non con win the SEC East had this year was UCF.

Never change bro

South Carolina beat Clemson.

Also, LSU lost to two teams we beat & we are playing the team that beat Alabama tomorrow (which is irrelevant to looking at the division at this time but speaks to the notion that we could win the league by dodging everyone w/ a pulse which isn't true). Granted GA was at full strength for the LSU game which would be a fair point but the division isn't near as dilapidated as a coupla ya'll are trying to make it out to be.

Holy shit fest...check out the Big 12 schedule.

http://www.big12sports.com/SportSele...580&SPID=13139

No victories over ranked teams for the second year in a row.

Iowa State proved themselves to be the third best team...in the state of Iowa.

The defending conference champ lost to an FCS team.

The flagship program got blown out by BYU and Ole Miss (and is now 7-1 in conference).

Kansas fans stormed the field over a win against WVU.

The best team in the conference lost to WVU.




Beebe, Nienas, and Bowelsby should be proud. This is their legacy.

Clemson much?

UCF will play in a BCS game, btw...

Clemson. Tremendously overrated...again.

Their best win? Oh yea... SEC East team Georgia.

Did Kansas really lose five games in one season to teams from Texas? How is that even possible?

And a year ago Notre Dame was in the NCG and Oklahoma stripped their jock.

It is what it is.

Keep trying though. This is entertaining.

Don't have to worry about calling teams the Big 12 beat overrated. They would have to be rated, and obviously none of the, are...for the second year in a row.

Bambi, Saul is the dick Morris of the board. If you read his nonsense and imagine its dick Morris speaking, trust me: it'll make you laugh.

A year ago...when Notre Dame was good...they housed Oklahoma in Norman.

Funny thing is I would have never found out how much trash the SEC East had Saul not pushed this issue.

Finding out the both MU and USC avoided not only Alabama, not only Auburn but also LSU is flat out astounding.

No wonder they are ranked so high. Schedule is a joke.

Again, you sound like a ****ing Bronco fan.

We played the schedule assigned to us. You trying to lessen Missouri because of it is laughable. "Well, Missouri didn't schedule Alabama, LSU, Florida State, Okie State, Ohio State, or Oregon. They're a bunch of posers."

You and PB troll because you literally have nothing else to say in regards to us. Nothing.

How is that relevant to this year?

ND is decent. They have a couple really nice wins (ASU & Mich St) but some bad and/or mediocre losses. Pitt is an embarrassment. Michigan lost 5 games.

Clemson beat GA at full strength which is great but got housed by Fla St. No shame in terms of their SC loss. They're 13th in the BCS....I'd say that sounds about right. IDK who you could point to that's below them that's definitely better so I would disagree w/ the notion that they're overrated now. They were overrated earlier but that went out the window after the FSU game. The 12 teams ahead of them have a collective 13 losses so there aren't many teams out there with better wins than that. Of those losses only 2 of them by my count are OOC, ASU to ND & Mich St to ND.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/standings

8+ win teams:

SECE: 4
Big 12: 4


10+ win teams:
SECE: 2
Big 12: 2


Top 25 teams:

SECE: 3
Big 12: 4 (3 if Texas loses to Baylor)


Top 10 teams:

SECE: 2
Big 12: 2


Top 5 teams:

SECE: 1
Big 12: 0


Teams alive for a NC:

SECE: 1
Big 12: 0


Sagarin conference rankings (for Bitch)

SECE: 4
Big 12: 6

Geez after looking at that it really highlights the lack of great OOC games we get anymore on a yearly basis.

Sounds like someone doesn't like getting a taste of their own medicine.

Your team is a product of a weak schedule. It happens all the time. It's nothing to be ashamed of.

Your chance comes tomorrow.

Hey guess what? If two teams in the Big 12 simply didn't have to play the three best teams in the conference they'd have a lot of wins too.