If you are talking about the penny-ante 3rd tier money, Texas is "screwing over", by maybe a couple million each, 4 or 5 schools. Kansas has the 2nd-best tier 3 deal in the big 12, and one of the greatest in the country. Mizzou is 4th-best in the Big 12 and would break even if we all shared. If all schools shared tier 3, Kansas would lose money.

And in the end, if we share tier 1/2, then all schools are almost perfectly equal, with Texas and Kansas getting a few million more. Don't like it? Improve your value to advertisers, its almost equal now, and the difference is basically irrelevant.

The PAC declared the honeymoon over when they felt UT was going to walk away. It was mutual/non mutual face saver.

I don't understand complaining about Tier 3 money, but especially from KU fans.

Kansas benefits from not sharing the piddly little T3 pool of money more than anyone not named Texas.

You'll never know what KU is doing or not doing.

It's great leadership. I feel 100% comfortable with BGL.

God knows where'd KU would be if Sweet Lew was still around.

I don't get it either.

UT will always have so much more than everyone else. Switching conferences will just lead to another big fish (Ohio State, USC, etc etc...)

The best feeling in sport is building a program with less and winning on the field. Running away to another conference will never fix this feeling of inferiority masked as anger.

This is true and it's why I make fun of the "We had options/The PAC plane is on the way!!!!111/ KSU is our anchor..IT'S NOT FAIR" crowd.

It's why NU left and it's why MU fans want out so badly. They'd be buried so deep in the SEC they'd never sniff another division title.

Beat them on the field and it's a non factor.

Don't get me wrong, I don't want to pretend that everything is hunky dorey and we have nothing to worry about now without some changes.

Our problems stem from the LHN, but not because of the money. The fans are obsessing over the money, but that is not why schools are pissed. We have 2 problems. (well 3, including distrust that other schools are about to leave, but you can fix that by forcing them to sign away their T1/2 TV rights for several years so that it is basically impossible to leave)

1) If the LHN shows high school ball, even highlights, then Texas could exploit that for a recruiting advantage.

2) The LHN apparently intends to work out deals with Fox/ESPN to poach some of our T1/2 games. (Kansas is complicit in this, because we accepted a big bribe to let them show our KU/UT game on the LHN) If Texas wants to show non-conference games that are not picked up, fine, go nuts and feel free to keep what you make. If Texas wants to show a conference game, they should split all revenue from that game.

This is fixable. If Texas doesn't show high school and splits anything they get from conference games, we're cool. The 3rd tier money they get otherwise is not enough to bother with.

If I am Missouri, Oklahoma, Kansas, Texas Tech etc I buy ads on the LHN.

The high school thing shouldn't happen and won't happen. Even if there are literally 18 people in this country that subscribe to the LHN. It was a dumb thing to try and pull and I don't think anyone's going to be worried about that going forward.

It is annoying that there is a possibility of conf games getting poached by the LHN. This year the KU got taken. If KU was better on the field then they wouldn't have agreed to it and it would have been put on ABC or FSN or whatever. I live in NYC which will NEVER have the LHN. So no matter where I go I won't be able to watch KU-UT this year. That sucks. But if KU doesn't have the pull on the field to say no then that's their own fault. I'm going to give them this year because it will be a good payout for them and most of the KU fans won't be screaming about not seeing it because the team will most likely not win.

Anyway, I said money is not really the issue, now that everyone has agreed to share Tier 1/2, so lets break it down. (I'll also assume we expand to 10)

We currently have a weird situation where our tier 2 contract is a lot bigger than our tier 1 contract, because we made our deal with Fox recently. That tells us that our tier 1 deal will probably be massive. (maybe we can renegotiate after dropping A&M and adding BYU?)

Tier 1 (ESPN): expires in 2016, $60MM/year, $6MM per school

Tier 2 (Fox): expires in 2025, $90MM/year, $9MM per school

Money each school gets from TV if they don't make a dime on Tier 3: $15MM/year

Tier 3 (owned by each school): 2009-2010 school year

Texas: ~$15MM/yr (not 09-10, based on future from LHN)
Kansas: ~$7.3MM
OSU: ~$6.4MM
MU: ~$4.1MM
KSU: ~$3.3MM
ISU: ~$2.6MM
OU:~$300k
TTech and BU: basically zero

average: ~$4.3MM

If everyone splits evenly, each school gets about ~$19.3MM

If no split, Mizzou gets about ~$19.1MM. Baylor gets ~$15MM

Conference Leaderboard

PAC 12: $250MM/year, locked in through 2024
Big 10: $212MM/year, T1 (100/yr) done in 2016, T2 basically locked in forever (2030's through BTN)
SEC: $205MM/year, locked in through 2024, which is probably why they'd like to expand to give them an excuse to renegotiate
ACC: $155MM/year, locked in through 2023, but maybe they can now renegotiate?
Big 12: $150MM/year, details above
Big East: $42.3MM/year, T1 expires next year, T2 expires in 2013, if the conference makes it that far

That has nothing to do with why I want out as an MU fan. I want out because the conference isn't stable. Eventually, there will be a huge game of musical chairs, and I want to make sure we have a nice, comfy seat when the music stops.

K-State has beaten Texas several times. What do you think that's worth when it comes to realignment?

Bebee to be fired tomorrow morning.

http://www.kuathletics.com/allaccess/
Look into AT&T Jayhawk All Access. You can watch the game online. It also includes this weekends legends of the phog exhibition.

Sweet

Nebraska had flirted with the Big 10 for 20 years now. I wanted out because the Big 12 conference sucks. I had to pay 40 bucks to watch Nebraska play Western Kentucky? Aside from that I like the history and traditions the Big 10 has. Would much rather player in the Rose Bowl than the Fiesta Bowl. Also haven't seen many people on the Big 10 boards talking about basketball in September.

From the beginning the Pac-12 had a high bar for taking anyone else. They have the best media deal in the country and they are going to be the first conference with international distribution rights in Asia. And to divide that pie with Texas and OU makes sense. To add OSU and TT makes little sense, other than to get UT and OU.

The Pac would be better with Texas on the same terms as USC and UCLA. But they weren't ever going to accomidate Texas above USC and UCLA. Texas was going to get whatever those schools get. And they were going to get whatever Texas gets.

And the LA schools have wanted a B12/UT-like deal from the Pac-10 for years... for obvious reasons. So there was no "saving face" necessary on the Pac-12's part. None.

That's not so say that it couldn't have been very good for the Pac12 to become the Pac16. But only under certain conditions. And Texas was going to have to accept them ultimately.

They weren't willing to. They said no. Scott said fine. And the Pac voted to stand pat... where pat is a very good position.

For the record I never really wanted out, but after losing the OU/NU game yearly and being force fed a rivalry with Colorado things never felt the same.

Really?

I see the Big 10 as more of a bball conf nowadays. No sniff of a title since Maurice Clarett. Wow thats a long time

You also thought Jordan Webb was going to be a Heisman candidate.

Wait you were serious about the basketball thing? When any program gets a 5 star recruit to commit, people are going to talk about it then and there. I thought you were just trolling at the time, but wow, dude...

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/st...er-report-says

Buh Bye.

Will any conference take Mizzery?

I wouldn't worry about trying to convince a Nebraska fan what its like to land a 5 star recruit.

Nebraska doesn't get any of those.

I only have a vague understanding of the Tier 1, Tier 2, Tier 3 business. Why does OU get so little Tier 3?

That could be a one-year fluke, or maybe the sooners were lazy on developing their radio and TV rights, I have no idea.

Tier 3 is primarily non-con football games (though UT is cheating on that!) that don't get picked up in T1/2, and non-con basketball games.

I can understand why no one wanted to watch sooner basketball, and maybe they are a victim of their own success on having all their football games get picked up, so not much help from TV, but surely even given all that I'd think their radio and internet rights were worth more than a few hundred K? Maybe not. Maybe they are fixing that issue.

Good theory

I think we've cracked the code. The secret is to be pretty decent in football, but not TOO good. If you are too good, then con ESPN into giving you way too much money without a guarantee that they'll get a good football game.

Scapegoat with no power to be removed from his position so the conference can look like they are making changes.

Kinda.

The exposure nationwide of having all of your games on ABC or ESPN primetime is immeasurable. Recruiting, boosters, etc are all skyrocketed with a program like OU because they're on TV so often and in such important time slots.

Ehh Bebee was his own worst enemy.

Beebe never really existed - he was just a Dodds' ventriloquist dummy. He's not being fired - just put in box and stored.

He was a Texan puppet! Whatever Texas wanted, they got.

Theres only a handful of TV's in Oklahoma. Their Tier 1/2 are worth a ton because almost all of their games are shown nationally. They were in discussions to make a network in the style of the LHN but it was determined to not be economically viable.

Well, yesterday was interesting. Second straight year the PAC steps back from the ledge JUST in time to keep from really blowing things up.

I am actually fine with staying in the Big 12 for a few more years, biding time for the eventual collapse, and reaping some benefits. I think some concessions need to be made re: the Longhorn network - mostly that no high school games/highlights are shown on it, and that they are limited in the number of Big 12 games that can be shown on it.

The revenue sharing piece doesn't really bother me. Texas already has way more money than anyone else (Same with OU). And Missouri actually shakes out towards the top in the unequal distribution. So no real problems for me there. Plus, with the TV rights staying where they are (unless there's a renegotiation if BYU/Louisville/etc join), the money will be competitive for the next few years (basically, the same amount of time that UT and OU have committed to).

There are some real positives to staying in the Big 12, if it survives.

1) Being No. 3 in the pecking order behind OU and UT. This is not a bad place to be from a money standpoint, or a competition standpoint. Football will have a great chance to win 9-10 games a year in this conference.

2) Texas recruiting. Go ask Arkansas - a school that is closer to Texas, has more history in Texas, and used to recruit Texas like crazy - how much they like recruiting Texas from the SEC, while the Big 12 puts a dome around the state. It would fall off - perhaps significantly - if Missouri goes to the SEC while the Big 12 still exists.

3) Missouri can improve its attractiveness. Look at what has happened and how the perception of Missouri football has changed in the past five years. What would another five years of Pinkel-led 9-10 win seasons do for program prestige?

The main things that make Mizzou attractive to other conferences - population, TV markets, single state-level school, research university - aren't going anywhere.

Missouri will have the same - if not better - options when this does finally blow up. Until then, I've got no problem sitting tight, watching the Tigers challenge a lot in football, and waiting for conference armageddon to revisit the scene.

well, that would lead me to wonder why Okie State got so much, then?

I think its just that OU's non-con games all got picked up. Maybe Okie State made more money on basketball, too.

Well, duh. The SEC doesn't have a presence in Texas. Once A&M officially joins the league that will change and will have an impact on recruiting, even if marginally at first.

In a move to placate Texas, all of the other Big 12 members pledged that from now, going forward, they will only recruit athletes from the state of Alaska.

I don't really understand how that works. I'm not sure how to frame the question, but what stops SEC from recruiting Texas right now?

Found a recent pic.

Playing in front of friends and family and on local TV is important to some recruits. Once A&M joins the SEC there will be SEC games in College Station and the SEC will be more televised in Texas. It's not going to change overnight, but now SEC coaches can use those two things in addition to offering the chance to play against a higher level of competition.

As I stated last year basketball makes a killing for many schools. Obvious here being that Kansas has the 2nd most coming in when it comes to 3rd tier rights.

The ACC is going to make a killing with a new bball TV deal now that they added two basketball schools.

I think the Big12 is fine with football w/ OU and UT. Those school will always make this conf very valuable when it comes to fb.

I'd love to see Louisville brought in. They are a top 5 bball program when it comes to value. A rivalry between Self and Pitino over championships and players would be so fun to watch.

Texas and Oklahoma get the best recruits from Texas.

A&M gets 2nd and 3rd level players. A great player is not going to choose A&M over Texas just because they will play in the SEC. I understand that the SEC is better top to bottom but the Big 12 is the perfect place for Texas players to get their value up for the NFL.

This is a terrible move for A&M on the field.

But they are in a tough spot anyway. They've been trying for decades and still never win a bowl game.

Maybe a change of scenery will help but I doubt it.

I doubt the SEC starts going crazy in Texas recruiting, simply because there is a large enough supply of talent in Florida and the rest of the Southeast.

Didn't the SEC Presidents recently vote to ban oversigning? If so, with the 25 scholarships rule and a ton of talent already in the Southeast, I don't see the well going dry in Texas for Big 12 teams any time soon.

And they wold get even more value going against SEC competition.

You're insane. Moving to the SEC gives A&M a much greater shot at competing with UT and OU for Texas recruits. The SEC gets more players drafted than any other conference. They have the best coaches, facilities, and level of competition. A&M will benefit from being out of Texas' shadow and in the SEC.

I agree that they wont go crazy, but they will start to creep in and grab some recruits that they otherwise wouldn't have been able to.

Yes, they voted to ban oversigning but it still happens. Last year South Carolina signed 32 and Arkansas signed 30.

Pssst Aaron Green is a 5 star recruit but he's not in the Heisman race like Jordan Webb.

So is this it for conference switches?

He's a five star on scout, which is hardly the authority on Texas football talents.

Scout - great for basketball, shitty at football recruiting.

Meh the kid is def a 5 star talent. If we go by Rivals we have one starting on the defensive line: Baker Steinkuhler. So once again Wickedson is wrong go get in line for late night bruh.

There are only a certain number of spots available in other conferences. We can't assume that we will have a spot in one, two, five, or ten years.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

The world doesn't just "make" more 5 star players because A&M decided to move to another conference.

UT and OU will always be the number 1 choice for Texas recruits.

Just a quick look at the 2012 and 2011 recruiting classes:

Alabama: 1 Texas recruit

Auburn: 1 Texas recruit (Scam Newton)

Florida: 0 Texas recruits

LSU: 5 Texas recruits

IF more players from Texas start going to the SEC it will be to play for these bigger teams and not A&M. I know this is the SEC's goal by letting the Aggies in. They are getting used.

A&M is just replacing 2 daddies with about 6...

Your last 5 star player is from the '08 class.

talk when you lock one down this decade.

bundle of sticks

No conference wanted your school.

hahahaha.

We'll never know.

Kansas has class.

Nebraska runs and then talks shit about allies they've had for 100 years.

But you clap for the other team when they come play. :clap:

Perkins said they had 0 interest when all this started. You actually think this has changed?

What 3 realistic schools would you add to the Big 12 right now?

I think West Virginia, BYU, and Louisville make the most sense and actually provide some value.

Playing a Texas school will open up that line more for the SEC schools, but it also helps aTm because they get to continue living close to home while playing in the SEC helping their draft status.

Actually he said something along the lines of "How do you know we haven't been called?" Kansas leadership will never tell the media what they're thinking, but more then that they knew the conference wasn't going to break up.

Everyone at Kansas knew that. That's why no one ever started actin all crazy there.

But it has all worked out and I think everyone there is happy that the old Big 8 is pretty much intact.

only if A&M wins

If they become the little bitch of the SEC then it won't do much for them. Imo

Allies? What ****ing dream world do you live in where that souless goggle-eyed one who sucks the penis Osbourne was anybody's friend outside of Nebraska? The closest thing KU has to an ally as KSU, and they hate your guts, too.

Good lord. LMAO

Only 2 SEC teams had a 2011 recruiting class whose average star rank was less than 3.0 (Kentucky & Vandy). By comparison, the Big XII had 6 schools whose average star rank was less than 3.0, the Big X had 5, and the Pac-12 had 6. A&M will do ok in recruiting, even if they finish towards the middle or bottom half of the league most years. They shouldn't finish worst than Vandy or Kentucky any year.

yes, everyone knows that the SEC is 'awesome'.

Actually you are completely wrong. It was more on the line of he was surprised no one called. He thought that BB would have more influence. That it just shows how important football is.

Prob nothing but...

@sptwri
Mike DeArmond
MU chancellor and Big 12 chairman Brady Deaton sets press conference for 6:45 tonight. And from what I'm hearing it might be interesting.

If by interesting he means "We welcome the opportunity to keep licking Texas' ass for eternity"?

What would you do different.

Shit or get off the pot.

Fun to type and read...doesn't align well with the possible reality of the situation.

Deaton to step down as chairman?

I feel like this last year of conference talk has just been one repeated kick in th nut sack.

If Deaton steps down as Chairman of the Big 12, things are going to get very interesting.

ok.

Find a home in either the B1G, SEC, ACC, or some non-Texas AQ Frankenconference in that order.

Oh, that easy.

Missouri just has to snap those fingers right?

It might take threats against small children and or blackmail but it's better than status quo. I don't know what the MU brass has been doing behind the scenes of course, but I don't have a lot of faith they're doing much besides maintaining the status quo when other schools in the Big XII have clearly been proactive in seeking greener pastures.

Yes I know in the short run Mizzou in the SEC would be sodomy for a while but at least they'd be in the best football conference in the country. What has the Big XII done for Mizzou? Oh yeah, get royally ****ed on a BCS bowl in 2007.

I don't have qualms with what you are saying I just don't know why Missouri always takes all the heat for an equation they only control one part of.

I hope they announce they're leaving Big 12. I don't care where they land as long as get away from this shit.

Gabe DeArmond saying that he might be stepping down from his Big XII position. If so, things could be getting real.

Then again, it could be just an announcement of the interim commissioner.