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*****The Josh Simmons Thread***** (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=357948)

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 18042175)

There are people really writing off a 22 year old coming back from an injury?

Younger people recover better. Give it a shot.

The board ****ing sucked. Like who did you want?

Age doesn't matter with this injury.

Luther Burden, Will Johnson, Benjamin Morrison, Shavon Revel, Azareyah Thomas, JT Tuimolau, Nic Scourton. All guys without the worst injury a player can try to come back from.

I'm glad that teams weren't concerned with this injury. Also glad they literally all passed on him anyway!

Protect my quarterback….win super bowls=profit.

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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 18042278)

Interesting...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Asked about the tackle rotation, head coach Andy Reid reiterates what he has said in the past: best five. Mentions that Jaylon Moore can also play right tackle. Truly sounds like the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> will have a three-way battle (Josh Simmons, Jawaan Taylor, Moore) for two spots.</p>— Pete Sweeney (@pgsween) <a href="https://twitter.com/pgsween/status/1915616189977419954?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 25, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Now this I can get behind. Taylor absolutely should have to fight for his spot. If Simmons and Moore outplay him, sit his overpaid ass and boot him next year. Then you still have Moore for one more year at RT.

Sounds like they have a plan in place already, meaning they really wanted this dude. I’m good with it.

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Originally Posted by Bump (Post 18042288)

After the disaster of last season Veach just had to take a swing and he's knows it's a dice roll and it is what it is.

Should have taken the swing for the closest thing to a proven commodity in terms of available LT’s this offseason and traded for Tunsil.

The left side of the line looks like a lot of projection at this point.

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15 (Post 18042169)

Reminder from kccrow:

Let's talk about the data set I shared in March regarding Patellar injuries in the NFL, since not many care to read. It's here: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/article...rmance%20level
31/56 (55%) players returned to the NFL from a patellar injury (RTP).
Of those, 13/50 (26%) returned to play as many games post-injury as they had pre-injury (RTP Games).
Only 8/50 (16%) returned to start as many games post-injury as they had pre-injury (RTP Starts).
The 6 (11%) in the remainder, despite returning to the NFL, never saw another snap.
Of the 50 that saw snaps, only 12 (24%) returned to prior PFF level of performance at any point (RTP Performance)
Among those 12, 7 (14%) returned to prior performance after 1 year and 5 (10%) after 2 years.
OL specifically was 6/17 (35%) RTP, 1/16 (6%) RTP Games, 1/16 (6%) RTP Starts, and 2/16 (13%) RTP Performance with 1 RTPP (6%) after 1 year and 1 (6%) after 2 years.

We are not talking about great odds here people. The media and agents can cook this up howevery they want to cook it. Its a blood-flow injury, so it's going to heal up just fine. Healing up doesn't mean he's ever going to be able to play the same. The elasticity of that tendon is forever affected. His ability to generate power and torque from his quads to the ground is forever affected.

You can look deeper at the stats if you want. Purely looking at OL, he has a 13% chance of ever returning to play at his prior level of performance (this favors Simmons over RTP Starts or RTP Games). Data says 83% of NFL first-round picks on the offensive line hit. So, chances are you'll play somewhere on the OL. 59% actually hit at OT, so a healthy portion of guys drafted to be OTs end up playing some other position.

So if he has a 13% shot of returning to his prior form and a 59% chance of playing OT, then he falls somewhere in the neighborhood of an 8% chance he'll make it as an OT. He has about an 11% chance of ever being anything on the OL.

Is that what you want from your 1st round pick, folks? I don't. In fact, that screams 7th rounder or UDFA. That doesn't even scream 2nd or 3rd rounder.

I'd be willing to take a shot in the dark in round 3. I mean, there is that remote potential that he ends up defying all odds. It's not due to his youth because less experienced, and younger players actually have worse odds in the study. It's merely one of those "so you're telling me there's a chance" situations.

Does this link work for anyone else? It doesn't for me.

Is there any available source data for these stats?

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Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 18042290)

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Several teams agree: Josh Simmons had best tape of any OT last year. And they aren't very concerned with recovery on the torn patella tendon. More of the concern is maturity/character. But he's going to the ideal, veteran-laden place.</p>— Jeremy Fowler (@JFowlerESPN) <a href="https://twitter.com/JFowlerESPN/status/1915612949214908901?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 25, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

That’s wild that a bunch of NFL teams are comfortable with the injury but some dudes on a message board are staking their internet rep on Simmons’ failure.

Love this pick. If this pans out we get a top 10 pick at 32 and got a 5th rounder that may be a starting DB with Veach's track record.

I have no idea how this is going to work out, but FFS, stop pretending like you have some sort of inside track on knowing the medical future for this kid. It’s both pathetic and laughable. The ****ing wailing is over the top…

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Originally Posted by Semichief (Post 18042275)

I absolutely did not want this pick.

That said, the Chiefs HAVE to figure this position out. It’s costing us titles. A player of Simmons’ talent will never fall this low again. Is it a risk? Yes - 10 other teams would have taken him if they thought he was a sure thing. But continuing the dynasty will involve some risks and this is one the team was willing to take. So in that sense, I understand it and love it. If he’s healthy, it’s a home run and that’s a huge win from the 31st slot plus a 5th rounder.

Thst's a very good way to look at it. Right now, I'm just so bummed out by the pick that I really can't look at it like that. Going to go to bed. Maybe I'll feel differently tomorrow.

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Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 18042282)

What offensive tackle has Veach drafted that was any good?

Look we got the island of misfit toys on OL and that’s just how they’re gonna keep cobbling shit together. May as well entrance the suck

I get it. They'll likely never have a chance to draft a LT of this talent level in the Mahomes era ever again. Risk level has to be as high as it gets, but Veach isn't someone afraid to roll the dice.

2022 study on pubmed said 18 of 24 NFL players with torn patellar tendons have come back to play in the NFL. The average games played is 45.5. The range is 1 to 142.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21813442/

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 18042189)

In Veach We Trust

We aren’t trusting Veach with this one. We’re trusting Burkholder

Chiefs just took a swing on a kid who could be elite, blue chip player @ 32 at the most valuable position besides QB which largely led to both our SB losses.

How can one be mad?