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OnTheWarpath15 02-21-2025 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 17975126)
Probably 2 WRs.

We do also have Remigio, Ross, and Thornton under contract by the way.
I meant active roster - guys that can actually play.

If we're counting on PS guys we're proper ****ed.

Sassy Squatch 02-21-2025 12:16 PM
Put some respect on Skyy Moore's na- pffffft

pugsnotdrugs19 02-21-2025 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 17975591)
Something I've been bouncing around in my head last 24 or so hrs,

in this cap era, seems like every team has a weakness, every year. Ya can't put together a perfect team. You obviously wanna prevent them as much as possible especially at critical mass positions (see LT last year)... but there's always going to be something that threatens your team from reaching the goal.

But, is there ever a good reason not to take the BPA on your board in the draft? Assuming it's clear cut who the top guy is.

For example, let's say KC enters the draft with only Tranquill and Leo at LB. In theory the position is relatively weak short and long term. You feel like you should take one early. But it lines up where your BPA by far are guys at RB, DT, CB in some order early on. You never really have a LB on the board you love or think is a long term answer.

Is it not better to just say, well, damn LB might be a weak link we gotta work around for a year, but we're going to turn (insert position) into a mega strength?

You need a bunch of good to great players to win Super Bowls and be a dynasty (see draft classes 2021-22). Does it matter what positions they play, or is it just a race to have 20+ good to great players every year and you figure out how to leverage those strengths best from year to year?
Building on this, like what if Luther Burden is BPA at 31

You're gonna give a little somewhere on the roster but if defenses have to deal with Rice, Worthy, Burden for the foreseeable future...

O.city 02-21-2025 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 17975811)
Building on this, like what if Luther Burden is BPA at 31

You're gonna give a little somewhere on the roster but if defenses have to deal with Rice, Worthy, Burden for the foreseeable future...
If Luther burden is at 31 you draft him no questions asked

Boxer_Chief 02-21-2025 02:20 PM
Yeah burden is the dude if he’s there. He’s a freak athlete reminds me a lot of Jamar chase in his physicality and speed plus he can do gadget stuff. Sign me up.

Chris Meck 02-21-2025 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 17975811)
Building on this, like what if Luther Burden is BPA at 31

You're gonna give a little somewhere on the roster but if defenses have to deal with Rice, Worthy, Burden for the foreseeable future...
This is why you wanna try to have a floor option that you can stomach in place anywhere you have a hole going into the draft.

Then just stack good football players.

kcbubb 02-21-2025 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 17975701)
That's what I'm hoping becomes of a Kingsley + Taylor combo on the right side.

One would think Kingsley will be a better pass blocker than run blocker as a guard. That might help us to better handle Taylor's spacing.
I agree. I like Kingsley at RG. I actually wish we could get rid of Taylor somehow and put Morris in there. Morris is better at RT than LT and he’s way cheaper than Taylor. Kingsley and Morris played pretty well against Denver and they have a solid dline. Any chance we could trade Taylor for a 7th round pick swap just to get his salary off the books?

I would like to see our oline with this line up next year.

LT: vet LT plus Simmons drafted around 20
LG: Thuney
C: Creed
RG: Kingsley
RT: Morris

Bad idea?

Mecca 02-21-2025 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by kcbubb (Post 17975985)
I agree. I like Kingsley at RG. I actually wish we could get rid of Taylor somehow and put Morris in there. Morris is better at RT than LT and he’s way cheaper than Taylor. Kingsley and Morris played pretty well against Denver and they have a solid dline. Any chance we could trade Taylor for a 7th round pick swap just to get his salary off the books?

I would like to see our oline with this line up next year.

LT: vet LT plus Simmons drafted around 20
LG: Thuney
C: Creed
RG: Kingsley
RT: Morris

Bad idea?
The Chiefs can not move on from Taylor he's here another year so yea bad plan.

kccrow 02-21-2025 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 17975709)
For Bolton? That's not a bad contract at all if they structure it right.
Yeah. I'd probably tap out at 12 AAV and I don't really love seeing over 10 AAV but that's me.

kccrow 02-21-2025 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17976055)
The Chiefs can not move on from Taylor he's here another year so yea bad plan.
His guaranteed salary would transfer to the new team if they traded him. So, really, yeah it's not the worst idea. We'd eat about 14.8m and gain 12.6m in cap space by trading him. Of course, the Chiefs would have to want to get rid of him and someone would have to want him.

There's gotta be a stupid team out there willing to give up a 3rd for him right? New York Jets? What's his Madden rank?

ForeverIowan 02-21-2025 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 17975811)
Building on this, like what if Luther Burden is BPA at 31

You're gonna give a little somewhere on the roster but if defenses have to deal with Rice, Worthy, Burden for the foreseeable future...
If it means the light show returns to KC and Mahomes starts smiling out there and having fun and winning MVPs I am all for it. Weve won with elite offenses and elite defenses. Winning is great, all else being equal, give me an elite offense and a happy franchise quarterback. I can deal with a 20ish ranked defense.

pugsnotdrugs19 02-22-2025 10:03 AM
Posted a free agency mock in the draft forum: https://work.chiefsplanet.com/BB/sho...d.php?t=357249

Go roast at your convenience

Woogieman 02-22-2025 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by kcbubb (Post 17975985)
I agree. I like Kingsley at RG. I actually wish we could get rid of Taylor somehow and put Morris in there. Morris is better at RT than LT and he’s way cheaper than Taylor. Kingsley and Morris played pretty well against Denver and they have a solid dline. Any chance we could trade Taylor for a 7th round pick swap just to get his salary off the books?

I would like to see our oline with this line up next year.

LT: vet LT plus Simmons drafted around 20
LG: Thuney
C: Creed
RG: Kingsley
RT: Morris

Bad idea?
I like the idea of replacing Taylor, but putting two unproven guys on one side is way too risky for my taste. I tink we are stuck for one more year at RT.

TomBarndtsTwin 02-22-2025 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17975693)
Maybe it's just me but I think paying your interior OL like they are OT's is a recipe for disaster.

The only way paying Trey makes any sense at all is if you're done with Thuney and honestly Trey isn't a perfect fit in the Chiefs scheme.
This. I like Trey, a lot, but he really struggled at times this season. Drafting him in the 6th round and having 4 years of solid to good play from him was incredible value! You ink him to the highest contract for a guard ever (which is what it’s gonna take) and that ‘value’ goes out the window. He’s not worth paying $22 million a year to.

As far as Thuney, I have no doubt the Chiefs are going to try and extend him. He’s still at the top of his game (as a guard), is a MUCH better fit at guard for the Chiefs offense than Trey, and it’ll help lower cap hits for the next 2 years for the O-Line giving the Chiefs some room to maneuver.

I imagine an extension with Thuney would be something in the neighborhood of 3 years, $60 million with at least $35 mil. gtd., which is not bad for a player of his caliber. The guard market is gonna go up significantly after Trey re-sets it.

Gary Cooper 02-22-2025 12:18 PM
It makes no sense to re-sign Smith. Replaceable position and the market is too high. I'm surprised any team would pay over $20 million for a guard but that's the price.

The first questions to be answered after Kelce are whether they keep Reid/Bolton. Or both possibly.


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