Huh? I’m not saying don’t trade up for one. I’m saying if you sit at 58 you don’t “have” to go DE. You don’t ever pick based solely on need.

Move up to get who?

There really aren't that many guys left that are going to fall far enough. Are you wanting to trade up into the 30's?

Yep, traded up for Breeland Speaks. And he said it was because the DE class started getting really thin and he felt like he had to. Let's do that again. He said he learned his lesson from that so let's hope he was telling the truth.

We don't need a center THAT bad. Already spent almost our entire free agency on the offensive line. We have other needs.

We've had 1 year bandaids and shitty players there for a few years. If he's there and you can fill it with that type of dude for 3 or 4 years, do it.

If Humphrey or Meinerz are one of the guys on the top of their list at 58 or 63.....then sure.....take him.

**** Landon Dickerson though.

What I love about Veach and company.......aside from QB, I have no problem at this point with any position we select at 58 and 63. Whatever “needs” are not addressed after the draft, the Chiefs will use their resources to find.

The “needs” at this point are not so glaring that we have to reach.

Who I would like? Creed Humphrey, Dickerson, Gabril Cox, Perkins, Onwuzurike, Marshall, Barmore, if any fall that far.

Who ‘probably’ will be available I would like? Werner, Tremble, Melifonwu, Cosmi, Ossai, Tufele

Yeah, so many teams ahead of us not going to get my hopes up until we are 5 players away and I can see multiple guys I like still on the board.

Not advocating for moving up to early rd 2. You can easily do a trade that he did in 2018 with a pick swap.

Example: Chiefs trade picks 58 and 63 to WFT for picks 52 and 74. That would be a great fair trade.

And please stop bringing up Breeland Speaks. He didn’t work out. So what? We traded up for Mecole Hardman and he started the spark to get our win over the Texans and go to the SB.
Also traded up for some guy named Patrick Mahomes. That seemed to work out well

If Veach wanted to get up in the 30's he might be able to package both 2nds for a pick there and a high 4th.

I don't think he will, but it's something to consider. I really think he's content this year seeing how the board falls though.

Could make a slight move with Washington and go to 51 and get 74 in the 3rd.

Dude. Breeland Speaks didn’t work out and Mecole Hardman is the reason why we need a WR right now.

And Veach didn’t trade up for Mahomes.

And I’d be just fine with the Washington trade if they want someone 8 spots up.

Ha, was typing the same thing while I was on the phone. It could work

The thing that bothered me about the Mecole pick is the belief KC had that they could teach him how to run routes better.

Draft what you see. Tyreek is a unicorn that improved. Maybe Steve Smith and Tyreek are the only guys I can think of that dramatically improved from college to the pros like that.

Dude, Basham is probably the first DE off the board tonight. If it's not him, then it's probably Perkins.

After that, there's like NOBODY. Ojulari doesn't really fit. Are you planning on trading up in the 2nd for a guy like Elerson Smith, who probably has a late 3rd round grade?

That's what I'm saying.

OF COURSE, if we could trade up 6 spots and get one of the better DE's left, we could do it. But that's not likely to happen at all. We'd be moving up for a guy that we could stay put and get.

There's just not a lot of value left at DE. We'd be better off going with another position and taking a couple later.