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highBOLTage 05-01-2017 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Frazod (Post 12850762)
Mahomies.

Mahomers.

jallmon 05-01-2017 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by notorious (Post 12850744)
After watching Alex miss wide open receivers all over the field, this excites me the most.

https://i.redd.it/m1nxd4dxd6ay.gif

ROFL

JD: Thank you for the nice write up on Mahomes II, this is indeed a special time for Chiefs fans. I wish the best for him and the Chiefs.

Lex Luthor 05-01-2017 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by notorious (Post 12850744)
After watching Alex miss wide open receivers all over the field, this excites me the most.

https://i.redd.it/m1nxd4dxd6ay.gif

I think I've probably seen this GIF a thousand times. Every single time I see it I get pissed off at Alex Smith.

Somebody should strap TigerUppercut and the other Alex Smith ballwashers into a chair and make them watch this play until they scream for mercy.

http://www.top10hq.com/wp-content/up...-Technique.jpg

raybec 4 05-01-2017 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by notorious (Post 12850744)
After watching Alex miss wide open receivers all over the field, this excites me the most.

https://i.redd.it/m1nxd4dxd6ay.gif

How many times do you guys have to be reminded that Hill wasn't open on that play? Look at the safety there, he's 15 yards from Hill and standing still. When he starts to run toward the LOS he's just baiting Smith into making that throw. You guys just don't see the strategy here. If Smith makes that throw it's a walk in TD. How in the hell is that good for the team? By running out of bounds he set us up for a potential hidden touchdown with his gigabytes and game changing accuracy on the bubble screen to Maclin that he also didn't throw because the corner was within 8 yards with no other defender within 20.

KINGPIN CHIEFS FAN 05-01-2017 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 12850781)
This all sounds great, but the fact is, clearly his decision making was questionable at times, and that, along with his footwork, has to be cleaned up.

He's a bit raw with a high ceiling, and there's a lot of work to reach that ceiling.

Don't be delivering sour milk to the thirsty fans who have waited 34 years to drink at this oasis. Some people can be effective by doing things the unorthodox way. Look at Jim Furyk in golf, you wouldn't teach his swing to anybody but it works for him. Not everybody has to have textbook form and footwork to be effective. If he scans the field while eluding tacklers and throws darts to our receivers i don't care if his footwork doesn't compete with a ballerina!

Line Judge 05-01-2017 11:20 AM

An idea for a tee shirt. A clock with an Arrowhead logo set at 1:45. The caption says: Is it 2PM yet?

Beef Supreme 05-01-2017 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by highBOLTage (Post 12852241)
Mahomers.

I approve.

JDKinman 05-01-2017 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by mdchiefsfan (Post 12851241)
Same here. I saw that as proof he needed work until I heard the interview. Time will tell if it is an actual benefit, or a perceived one. I still would like it to be ironed out, because you can only go so far in football on physical talent. Once that starts to fade, fundamentals are paramount (much like a shooter vs a dunker in basketball).

What everyone is going to enjoy is going to be the rapid progress and learning that Mahomes will demonstrate. Ask any Tech fan and we'll tell you that each of the three years we had Mahomes, it was like having a vastly new and improved version of the one the year before.

We've had some good quarterbacks over the years at Tech, from Kingsbury to Sonny Crumbie (OC at TCU) to Graham Harrell to Baker Mayfield to Davis Webb (drafted by the NY Giants and who will be a very good understudy to Eli Manning). But the difference between all of them and Patrick Mohomes II was that his ability and performance rocketed upwards each successive year. Kingsbury credited that to an even and equal combination of athletic ability, intelligence and attitude.

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Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 12851062)
Right, that is usually how he operates. He keeps his eyes down field and tries to get the ball to the receivers. But he is willing to make plays with his feet near the goal line.

One flaw in his game that he needs to correct though. Protect your body. He took a number of self-inflicted injuries at Tech because he was not willing to give up on plays. Lower shoulder trying to run over people (injured throwing shoulder). Diving for the end zone (hyperextended knee). He is a warrior though. Played through both of those injuries even though Tech fans thought he would have to sit out at least a few games each time.

Gruden emphasized to him that he really needs to protect himself. The Chiefs want him to be their QB 10 years from now. He won't get there if he keeps taking unnecessary hits and injuries. Try to slide more often, etc.

This.

Again, difference is, Mahomes is surrounded by more talent and experience with the Chiefs--including coaching--than he ever has been in his entire life. His fire to win will get him bumped a few times, but he'll discover that taking a knock from an NFL linebacker is a lot more painful than from most NCAA linebackers. And as I've emphasized in previous posts, the boy was an Academic All-American, so there are a few brains up there and he's a quick learner. :D

In the meantime, enjoy this youtube clip of one of the greatest shoot-outs in Big 12 history between #3 TCU and #20 Texas Tech--and watch PMII on the last play of the game when there was no time left on the clock.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8vatZKjVMg

--JD

JDKinman 05-01-2017 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Line Judge (Post 12852622)
An idea for a tee shirt. A clock with an Arrowhead logo set at 1:45. The caption says: Is it 2PM yet?

Ha ha ha! That's AWESOME. Take that idea over to Barkley (advertising agency) and tell Jeff King (CEO) that "Tex approves of that idea and he'll be good for two of the shirts." :D

Y'all are sure making me miss Kansas City in the fall. (Not so much in the winter, though.)

--JD

Halfcan 05-01-2017 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by KINGPIN CHIEFS FAN (Post 12852423)
Don't be delivering sour milk to the thirsty fans who have waited 34 years to drink at this oasis. Some people can be effective by doing things the unorthodox way. Look at Jim Furyk in golf, you wouldn't teach his swing to anybody but it works for him. Not everybody has to have textbook form and footwork to be effective. If he scans the field while eluding tacklers and throws darts to our receivers i don't care if his footwork doesn't compete with a ballerina!

I agree. You would think the way the media and haters are talking about PM2's footwork, that he is a clumsy off-balanced clown back there- lofting up lame duck balls for easy interceptions. :rolleyes:

I guess I am not seeing this horrible "footwork" - it seems the INT's that he has thrown mostly come from not giving up on the play and trying to squeeze passes into very tight windows. That is a product of a decision that he felt comfortable with as he was playing to win.

Am I missing a ton of tape where he is off-balanced and looks like a tanglefoot back there passing? What rookie QB's come out and Don't need to improve on their technique?

It seems this "footwork" narrative has become a blanket statement to use as an attack on this kid by the same people stating he is Not a winner since he played on a team lacking real talent besides himself.

DRM08 05-01-2017 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 12852658)
I agree. You would think the way the media and haters are talking about PM2's footwork, that he is a clumsy off-balanced clown back there- lofting up lame duck balls for easy interceptions. :rolleyes:

I guess I am not seeing this horrible "footwork" - it seems the INT's that he has thrown mostly come from not giving up on the play and trying to squeeze passes into very tight windows. That is a product of a decision that he felt comfortable with as he was playing to win.

Am I missing a ton of tape where he is off-balanced and looks like a tanglefoot back there passing? What rookie QB's come out and Don't need to improve on their technique?

It seems this "footwork" narrative has become a blanket statement to use as an attack on this kid by the same people stating he is Not a winner since he played on a team lacking real talent besides himself.

You should be grateful for those criticisms. If they didn't exist, he would be the #1 overall pick. Pat should also be grateful for those criticisms. They will help him improve and he ended up with a great organization instead of arguably the worst organization in the NFL (Cleveland). He is very lucky to have the opportunity to learn from Andy Reid, Alex Smith, and the rest of Andy's coaching staff.

Rausch 05-01-2017 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Line Judge (Post 12852622)
An idea for a tee shirt. A clock with an Arrowhead logo set at 1:45. The caption says: Is it 2PM yet?

ROFL

Halfcan 05-01-2017 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 12852671)
You should be grateful for those criticisms. If they didn't exist, he would be the #1 overall pick. Pat should also be grateful for those criticisms. They will help him improve and he ended up with a great organization instead of arguably the worst organization in the NFL (Cleveland). He is very lucky to have the opportunity to learn from Andy Reid, Alex Smith, and the rest of Andy's coaching staff.

I agree- very happy we got him. Steal of the draft imo. I was mostly pointing out that the "footwork" criticism has grown Louder since the draft.

"PM2 has a big arm but shitty footwork- total project."

"Chiefs gave up too much for an Air Raid QB with terrible footwork."

Oh, and Donk fans are already calling him a total bust since he has such horrendous footwork.

It has been pushed so far that it is becoming a false narrative-continually repeated as a way to slam this kid that has all the natural talent in the world. Just like people comparing him to Jay Cutler.

Rausch 05-01-2017 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 12852724)
I agree- very happy we got him. Steal of the draft imo. I was mostly pointing out that the "footwork" criticism has grown Louder since the draft.

"PM2 has a big arm but shitty footwork- total project."

"Chiefs gave up too much for an Air Raid QB with terrible footwork."

Oh, and Donk fans are already calling him a total bust since he has such horrendous footwork.

He has NO footwork. NONE.

But if someone can teach that fat dinosaur Kirstie Alley to mamba I'm sure 2PM can learn to take a 3 step drop and square his shoulders...

DRM08 05-01-2017 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 12852724)
I agree- very happy we got him. Steal of the draft imo. I was mostly pointing out that the "footwork" criticism has grown Louder since the draft.

"PM2 has a big arm but shitty footwork- total project."

"Chiefs gave up too much for an Air Raid QB with terrible footwork."

Oh, and Donk fans are already calling him a total bust since he has such horrendous footwork.

It has been pushed so far that it is becoming a false narrative-continually repeated as a way to slam this kid that has all the natural talent in the world. Just like people comparing him to Jay Cutler.

I do think they are overblowing some of the criticisms. He is very naturally accurate, regardless of his footwork and arm mechanics. Reid, Payton, Arians, O'Brien, and other coaches around the league recognize this. He has room for improvement, but so do the other QB's in this draft. However, none of the other QB's in the draft have the upside of Pat Mahomes.


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