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Hammock Parties 04-13-2017 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 12822738)
the fact remains that SF, NYJ, and CLE all have Jack and Shit at the QB position heading into 2017.
And if they all take a QB, all three will be far less likely to take a QB next year.

Hell, maybe you can get one of those teams to trade you their 2018 1st after they blow their 2017 first round pick on a QB and desperately try to trade back into the 2017 1st round to pick another player.

After all, they don't need their 1st for a QB next year, so why not take advantage of the deep 2017 class at other positions?

Dorsey needs to think outside the box here.

The Franchise 04-13-2017 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by ASS11 (Post 12822747)
And if they all take a QB, all three will be far less likely to take a QB next year.

Hell, maybe you can get one of those teams to trade you their 2018 1st after they blow their 2017 first round pick on a QB and desperately try to trade back into the 2017 1st round to pick another player.

After all, they don't need their 1st for a QB next year, so why not take advantage of the deep 2017 class at other positions?

Dorsey needs to think outside the box here.
The Jets just spent a 2nd rounder on a QB last year. They're dumb enough to draft a QB at 6 this year and then do it again next year. Especially with a new staff.

Chiefnj2 04-13-2017 12:08 PM
Other than Cleveland with their 2nd pick and Houston, I don't think anyone else takes a QB before KC. Even with Cleveland I think the chance is less than 50%.

The Franchise 04-13-2017 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 12822758)
Other than Cleveland with their 2nd pick and Houston, I don't think anyone else takes a QB before KC. Even with Cleveland I think the chance is less than 50%.
Add Arizona to that list.

kccrow 04-13-2017 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by ASS11 (Post 12822747)
And if they all take a QB, all three will be far less likely to take a QB next year.

Hell, maybe you can get one of those teams to trade you their 2018 1st after they blow their 2017 first round pick on a QB and desperately try to trade back into the 2017 1st round to pick another player.

After all, they don't need their 1st for a QB next year, so why not take advantage of the deep 2017 class at other positions?

Dorsey needs to think outside the box here.
If that's what happens, I certainly wouldn't be against the idea.

staylor26 04-13-2017 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12822480)
I don't get the hate for Kaaya. Yes he was bad under pressure at times bc he had a shit OL, but how many QB's are good with pressure like that? Manning, Brady and Rodgers are the only one'S I can think of and even they turtle up when the heat gets to them constantly.

I think Kaaya could be a good QB here.
People really underestimate how bad our OL's were during his time here. The talent level on offense overall was pretty ****ing average too.

Chiefnj2 04-13-2017 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 12822759)
Add Arizona to that list.
Maybe if they trade back in the first. I don't see them using a top 15 pick (with only one first round pick) on any QB in this class.

These QB prospects really aren't that good compared to the talent that will be available when these teams pick.

Some years you get these bizarre early QB runs on meh players- 2011, I just don't think it will happen this year.

DJ's left nut 04-13-2017 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by TigerUppercut (Post 12822627)
I'm more interested in betting what level of talent he is in the NFL rather than his draft position in a draft stacked with above average backs
That's exactly where I started, you ****ing lackwit.

In a draft where there are a dozen capable RBs, why the hell would you be excited about the idea of taking this guy in the 3rd? Especially when there are going to be starting caliber edge rushers, CBs and Safeties that you could take and STILL get Williams in the 5th or later?

rico 04-13-2017 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12822814)
People really underestimate how bad our OL's were during his time here. The talent level on offense overall was pretty ****ing average too.
How is Kaaya regarded in Miami in comparison to guys like...Bernie Kosar? Pretty well liked in Miami?

My college roommate/one of my best friends is from Miami. Loves the Heat. Loves the Canes.

RealSNR 04-13-2017 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 12822743)
Some guru/GM I heard on Cowherd today (didn't get the name) said last year they had 11 QBs worthy of drafting. This year only 6.


The back end of this draft for QBs is truly horrific.

DJ's left nut 04-13-2017 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 12822934)
The back end of this draft for QBs is truly horrific.
Starting where, though?

Trubisky
Mahomes
Kizer
Watson
Webb
Peterman

All imminently draftable, yes? Then I'd say Kaaya and Dobbs are draftable, but on opposite grounds. I have a hard time saying there are only 6 draftable quarterbacks.

8, OTOH, I can get behind. **** Chad Kelly in his face. I would probably be willing to throw a 6th or even a 7th at Evans but you have to know that he's probably camp fodder; just too far away and no quality team can justify carrying him. If someone wanted to argue that he's nothing but a priority UDFA (Bray), I'd totally buy that.

Well....and of course Cooper Rush, but I don't think he'll make it to our pick at 27. Guy has Tom Brady written all over him.

staylor26 04-13-2017 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by rico (Post 12822873)
How is Kaaya regarded in Miami in comparison to guys like...Bernie Kosar? Pretty well liked in Miami?

My college roommate/one of my best friends is from Miami. Loves the Heat. Loves the Canes.
It depends. To casual fans, he sucks because he never beat FSU. What they fail to realize is he's the only reason we were in those last 3 games to begin with. I think they'll see that when we go to Tally this year with a young inexperienced QB. He made a beautiful throw in the clutch to give us a chance to tie at the end of the game this year, and we proceeded to miss the extra point. That really hurt his legacy IMO.

To reasonable fans like myself, we see a guy that could be another in a long list of Shannon/Golden coached Canes that turns out to be a better pro than college player. He's the best QB we've had in my lifetime (sorry Ken Dorsey I still love you).

DJ's left nut 04-13-2017 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12822960)
It depends. To casual fans, he sucks because he never beat FSU. What they fail to realize is he's the only reason we were in those last 3 games to begin with. He made a beautiful throw in the clutch to give us a chance to tie at the end of the game this year, and we proceeded to miss the extra point.

To reasonable fans like myself, we see a guy that could be another in a long list of Shannon/Golden coached Canes that turns out to be a better pro than college player. He's the best QB we've had in my lifetime (sorry Ken Dorsey I still love you).
If Ken Dorsey didn't exist, I'd have to invent him.

He's the single greatest argument for tools over intangibles you'll ever see. You can't find a single person EVER who will say a bad thing about that guy. Teammates love playing for him, he loved the game, was smart and worked his ass off.

But man, when you can't throw a baseball through a pane of glass, you just ain't gonna make it. And to have your career end on the biggest !@#$ing hose job in NCAA football history...ugh. **** you, Ohio State.

-King- 04-13-2017 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12822608)
Charles, before his injuries, was a better blocker than Ware.

Ware was more physical but Charles was equally willing and smarter. Seriously, go back and look at him in his prime; the guy would absolutely kill blitzing linebackers because he had virtually flawless technique. Hell, the guy flat out broke Brian Cushing's leg on a block.

Very few guys were better at diagnosing a blitz, getting to their spot and making the right type of block at the right time than Jamaal Charles. He wasn't going to try to go upright and go chest to chest with some dude flying off the edge, but he'd toss a chip in there to get them off balance or cut the shit out of them if he needed to.

Charles was an outstanding blocker. You're out of your depth and by a fair amount.
God damn. This post just reminded me of how much I love Charles. I'm sad now. Thanks.
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staylor26 04-13-2017 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12822967)
If Ken Dorsey didn't exist, I'd have to invent him.

He's the single greatest argument for tools over intangibles you'll ever see. You can't find a single person EVER who will say a bad thing about that guy. Teammates love playing for him, he loved the game, was smart and worked his ass off.

But man, when you can't throw a baseball through a pane of glass, you just ain't gonna make it. And to have your career end on the biggest !@#$ing hose job in NCAA football history...ugh. **** you, Ohio State.
It's so sad that he didn't at least go out with another NC. Between the McGahee injury, the terrible PI call, and Dorsey getting banged up and having to come out in OT then going back in hurt (people forget about that), it was like watching a football horror movie. That's the last taste of championship ball I have with any of my sports teams too. I'm pretty sure I got fan PTSD from it.


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