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OnTheWarpath15 09-17-2008 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by FAX (Post 5028182)
In the C2, Mr. OnTheWarpath58, the DBs are expected to provide a lot of support for the run.

FAX

Support, Mr. FAX. In a last line of defense kind of way. In C2 the FS has a deep half.

And the strong safety would be/should be in on most of the tackles the front seven missed, not the FS.

With a solid front 7, this is a moot point.

beach tribe 09-17-2008 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 5028176)
beach,

In your opinion, has Herm made any really good draft picks?

Bowe is a no brainer. I think we will know more about Tank, and Turk by the end of this year. If Herb taylor becomes a solid backup, or starter, and the T brothers pan out, I think 07 will have been a solid draft.
It's too early to tell about 08, but it looks like the best draft we've had since I've beeen following football, and if they don't pan out, I don't think anyone is at fault. They made the right picks IMO. I'm no guru, but everyone in the country agrees, so I would say yes, Herm has made a lot of good picks, but the 06 draft doesn't look too promising to me. Hopefully they prove me wrong.

the Talking Can 09-17-2008 10:34 AM

most sane people think success is a vindication for failure...


but not WPI, or True fans....no, they think 15 years of failure is vindicated by losing streaks and further embarrassment....

no wonder this franchise sucks so much penis....

in KC, "Failure = Success"

beach tribe 09-17-2008 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5028210)
Support, Mr. FAX. In a last line of defense kind of way. In C2 the FS has a deep half.

And the strong safety would be/should be in on most of the tackles the front seven missed, not the FS.

With a solid front 7, this is a moot point.

How many tackles does a FS average 50? 60? 70?.

They have to be able to tackle to be effective, not only in run support.

OnTheWarpath15 09-17-2008 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 5028236)
How many tackles does a FS average 50? 60? 70?.

They have to be able to tackle to be effective, not only in run support.

Should be less than 50, unless your front 7 is absolute garbage.

ChiefsCountry 09-17-2008 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5028126)
If you're counting on your FREE SAFETY to make tackles in the run game, you need to take a HARD look at your front 7.

Thats what I was thinking. If your safeties are making tackles your front 7 is getting beat.

FAX 09-17-2008 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 5028273)
Thats what I was thinking. If your safeties are making tackles your front 7 is getting beat.

Generally true, Mr. ChiefsCountry. No question. However, if you really research the C2 or T2 design in depth, you find that the corners and safeties (particularly the FS) are supposed to be big hitters and provide significant run support. It's one of the reasons Dungy cited as always wanted tons of speed in those positions ... so they could roam large sections of the field in pass defense and, simultaneously, support the run. It's worth mentioning that he also looked for very heavy hitters in the defensive backfield - Lynch comes to mind.

The way to analyze this aspect of the defense is where the tackles are being made ... if it's 15 yards downfield, for example, it's a problem.

Herm and Gun are always talking about our guys not playing their gaps correctly. It's another key aspect of the C2 ... gap responsibility. You can't downplay the importance of that when you run that defense. So far as our front 7 are concerned, we may have two serious problems ... gap responsibility errors and poor tackling. When you're running the C2 and both of those mistakes are being repeated, it is death by running back.

FAX

Time's Yours 09-17-2008 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 5028007)
When did I say anything about Herm's teams? we're talking about a SB winning Raven's team with one of the best defenses ever, your highness.

I was just making a point there about the most boring Superbowl I've ever watched. Read my initial post. My MAIN point was that even if we win under Herm, 3-0 or 6-3 how he likes it, I'm not going to have as much fun watching the team as a Patriots fan in the last few years, for instance.

But apparently the Chiefs Planet mob agrees with you, so I'm an idiot.

Time's Yours 09-17-2008 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by COchief (Post 5027966)
A group of douchebag slimy laywers looking at you and deciding: "We have to have this kid, he will make an excellent attorney" is not something I would brag about.

Congratulations, you've won the "most likely to grow up to be an asshole award", the funny thing is that you think this is an accomplishment.

You're right, a full-tuition scholarship is not an accomplishment. Tell your kids that.

I started being an "asshole" when I was called an idiot for prefering to watch higher scoring wins to Herm Edwards style wins.

I simply offered a nice piece of evidence that most of the population would consider relevant to prove that I am not, indeed, an idiot.

beach tribe 09-17-2008 11:51 AM

Don't take it so seriously. The Your and idiot thing is a joke more than anything. I mean, look at the spelling. Didn't mean to get so far under your skin.

milkman 09-17-2008 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 5028515)
Don't take it so seriously. The Your and idiot thing is a joke more than anything. I mean, look at the spelling. Didn't mean to get so far under your skin.

You know why you got so far under his skin, don't you?

It's because


Your and Idiot.

OnTheWarpath15 09-17-2008 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by phillip (Post 5028444)
I was just making a point there about the most boring Superbowl I've ever watched. Read my initial post. My MAIN point was that even if we win under Herm, 3-0 or 6-3 how he likes it, I'm not going to have as much fun watching the team as a Patriots fan in the last few years, for instance.

But apparently the Chiefs Planet mob agrees with you, so I'm an idiot.

I think that has a lot to do with your lack of attatchment to either team.

I don't know anyone that would be disappointed, or felt they got cheated by watching their team win a SB 3-0 or 40-10.

FringeNC 09-17-2008 01:39 PM

In a strange way, it is vindication for Carl. Carl knows Chiefs' fans are smart enough to know that he and Herm aren't competent, so the fans really go nuts as we not only lose, but incompetently rebuild.

If it were someone with a resume like Bill Parcells leading the rebuilding effort, I think Chiefs' fans would be patient with the process.

Bowser 09-17-2008 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by FringeNC (Post 5028911)
In a strange way, it is vindication for Carl. Carl knows Chiefs' fans are smart enough to know that he and Herm aren't competent, so the fans really go nuts as we not only lose, but incompetently rebuild.

If it were someone with a resume like Bill Parcells leading the rebuilding effort, I think Chiefs' fans would be patient with the process.

There's an inherent problem with the whole situation -

How can a team rebuild when the guy pulling the strings is the same guy that let them get into the shape they're in now?

donkhater 09-17-2008 01:52 PM

Without going through the five pages worth of replies to this inane article, I'll throw my two cents in, which has undoubtedly been said before.

They are rebuilding. Fine. I get it. They aren't going to win many games and they will be inconsistent from week to week. I get it. I will allow the PLAYERS to perform like they are still maturing and developing.

But answer me this:

How in the hell is Herm or Carl or anyone going to develop a QB if all the game plan calls for is running the ball up the center's a$$?

The QB throws 15 passes a game in situations that the defense knows he going to throw and these idiots wonder why the QB isn't developing as fast as they thought he would.

Give the QB and the whole team the whole playbook. Coach aggressively and your team will play aggressively. The QB will make mistakes. He'll likely throw interceptions. Chances are he may even throw a few really good passes and make big plays, too.

What the hell is Herm scared of? Losing the game? They probably will, but haven't they been doing that for the last 11 F#$$%^^^G games????

At least you'd give the fans a sense that you are at least TRYING to win.


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