Has KU been invited to the B1G yet? ACC?
Mountain West? Missouri Valley?

Nothing will happen anytime soon I don't think but my gut tells me it will be the B1G.

lol at Mountain West or Missouri Valley, they'd stay in the Big 12 and expand before they did that




I'm seeing a lot of smoke on twitter that KU is moving back towards investing big money in the football stadium again and that it is because of the B1G

Stupidity reigns supreme in the now defunct Big 12.

American Conference? What’s that?

It’s one that Mizzouche could actually compete in.

That conference pride though!

Is it better to be the smallest house in a great neighborhood, or the biggest house in a run down neighborhood?

I mean, even if we haven't been nationally competitive recently there's still the possibility that we could build up to it in the future and being in the SEC makes that possible, long-term.

If we had stayed in the Big 12 we might have ended up in the B1G eventually, but we could also have ended up in a mid major conference like KSU or ISU probably will, and that would have been fatal to any aspirations of being a national champion one day, or even just a program with a national profile.

I don't think there is any argument that it was the right move, that has been pretty much settled with the Big 12 breaking up in mid-air

They were almost never the biggest house in the rundown neighborhood (unless you mean if they were still there when OU and Texas leave), but besides that I actually said as much 10 years ago.

A decade later, perhaps the B1G would have been a better fit into terms of competitiveness (had they come calling), but the SEC realignment might help and of course it's better to pull the trigger when the SEC comes calling than wait it out.

We already got rid of the track, what more do they want! ROFL

I honestly don't care much about football, but I get it. I'm really fine with going to the Big East at last resort (if no B1G or ACC) since they are a basketball major. Maybe we could then go football only in MTN West or something - but really - who cares about KU football.

I mean, I care about football. It would be really fun to have the program get revived with Leipold and then play meaningful games against teams like Michigan.

2008 was a blast. Those games against MU in Arrowhead were incredible.

My alma mater has won the SEC regular season title as many time as the rest of the conference. Combined.

That is all.

Are you talking about basketball and Kentucky

I wouldn't have much pride at all in SEC basketball... even the Big 12 has like 6 schools with 25+ March Madness bids (not including Mizzou), and the SEC has 3 if you include Mizzou's 28.

UK's bench some years could probably finish top 3 in that conference.

And that's an arbitrary metric, of course, but a metric that a conference could be proud of by saying a large number of teams routinely make the tournament.

I think it means, something but I don’t know what. It’s still hard to be the best regular season team in a Power 5 conference that many times

Doesn’t mean as much as a title, though.

I view Calipari’s legacy at Kentucky as disappointing if he does not win another title.

Well, if you remove most of Mizzou and A&M's bids from when they earned them in the B12, it would actually make SEC basketball 7th, not top 5... one spot above The American.

PAC releases statement that they are not pursuing expansion at this time.

In terms of bids?

I don’t care about bids. All I care about is titles.

B12 has 3 schools with basketball titles(OK St., KU, Baylor). SEC has 3(Florida, UK, Arkansas).

I don’t see the difference?

Well, that is interesting.

They will revisit it within the next few years when negotiating their new media contract. Theirs goes through 2024. With all the heat the SEC and ESPN is under with OU and Texas, they are going to wait until the dust settles. Big12 rights are still through 2025, so 2021 is pretty premature to make those decisions. The remaining 8 aren’t going to pay all the exit fees that Texas and Oklahoma will have to pay.

Well, you also don't know the difference between Kansas basketball and USC basketball, so it's not terribly surprising. :shrug:

The real test will be if/when the Big12 moves to expand. Schools that vote no to expansion likely know they have a new home.

I know one of them has had a top 6 NBA draft pick in each of the past two years.

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This is the stupidest way to compare conferences or judge anything.

A team winning one title 50 years ago does not equal sustained recent success. Gonzaga hasn't won a title but has been one of the top programs for the last 20 years - UTEP has a title.

I disagree. If the PAC 12 wanted to expand, they could right now and pick from what remains of the Big 12. If they chose a couple of schools, they could work it like a UT/OU thing. The Big 12 is on life support right now with only the slightest chance to expand. If a couple of teams were willing to jump ship for another conference, the Big 12 would all but cease to exist which would eliminate the exit fees. At this point no school will remain loyal to the Big 12 and will jump at the best offer they get. With the PAC 12 having the best of what's left they can use that to negotiate their new deal in a few years. If they waited they risk getting the leftovers of the leftovers.

Please pull up, thread.


I really really don't want some Rupp Rafters idiotic conference argument to mosey on over

Bullshit. They will stick with that track and field abomination look. They are too basketball poor to invest in football. Hell, look at the dump barn they shoot hoops in

LMAO

You can disagree all you want, but you’re wrong. The PAC can’t just add 2-4 schools and the Big12 will cease to exist. Sure, in the long run it will. Or they expand and keep it alive even if it gets demoted from P5 later. The Big12 is around until it’s voted to dissolve by 3/4 vote. Right now 6/8 schools have to vote to dissolve it. Texas and Oklahoma lost their votes when the served the Big12 their notice to leave for the SEC. If those two want to leave early, it’s $80 mil per each school, and that’s not even factoring in the Big12 still owns their rights through 2025. The other Big12 schools can’t afford that, and there is literally zero reason for the other conferences to extend invites 3 years in advance without seeing what happens with Texas and Oklahoma first. The only way it comes this soon is if every school has a home, because if it gets leaked early and two Big12 schools are left out before the conference is officially dissolved, all 8 schools would owe those two a lot of money this early in the contract.

They need to add BYU and Boise State (with the requirement of changing the field), and then UCF and Houston (if the Texas schools will allow it) or Cincinnati (if they won’t). It’s not perfect. But it has potential.

Obviously I’m holding out hope the other conferences choose to expand in the next few years, but worst case scenario the Big12 expands.

Amazon has reached out to the Big12 about picking up their media rights. But they want the Big12 to expand to 14-16 schools. They are in a position where media foot print doesn’t matter, like it did to the B1G the last round. They just want fanbases/streamers. They can make a ton of money from advertising their own products of said schools and making the sale on shirts and what not. They also want more sports fans subscribing because they are picking up Thursday night football, and now trying for Sunday Ticket.

But to get to 14, I’d add BYU, Cincinnati, UCF, Houston, Memphis, and Cincinnati.

The crazy part is that’s suddenly the most competitive conference. Other than Kansas, there’s a lot of good football teams. And there’s no Alabama, Clemson, Oklahoma, Ohio State to just run the table most years. It wouldn’t have the top 1-2 schools that every other conference has, but outside that top to bottom it’s better. Unfortunately to the media the top school is what makes a conference.

Gotta get Cinci in there twice for good measure.

I'd add them a third time just to be safe. They produced Kelce so that's good enough for me.

He's just a little bitter because mutt hoops has to play at the Columbia YMCA to fill it up.

You put Cincinnati twice. Who’s your sixth?

I’m a BYU guy, so I’d love to see them get their foot in the door. I’d love expansion by six. I’m not a fan of Memphis. But I suppose it could make regional sense. Colorado State could be good, projecting into the future. There are good things going on there. But it wouldn’t get anyone excited now.

Probably Boise State.

Hopefully they get a sweet TV deal. That would be killer on travel. That was always a concern when they added WVU. Now if they added BYU, Boise State, and UCF? That would be rough to say the least. I guess at this point they need to as those are the biggest fish left.

Lol whoops, meant Boise St. but another Cincinnati would be fine too.

That’s the big unknown. Obviously Amazon can pay more than anyone, and are known to overpay to get what they want. Obviously they won’t make the Big12 the highest paid, I’m just hoping for relatively close to where we are now.

In the grand scheme I think this is a test for Amazon, where in the next wave of media contracts they try to take on as much of college football as they can, and same with NFL.

Time to Expand the Big 12 to the Big 16!
 

It's time, time to get what you can while you can, before it's too late! This includes going after some programs hard to get the TV markets.

West Division - Plus TV Market

BYU - SLC
Boise State - Well, Boise and most of the Mtn Zone
CU / Co State - Denver ( I prefer CU over Co St.) Seriously doubt CU would, less $$
Baylor - Waco, Austin, Central Tx.
KSU - Not much, western Ks, Wichita and some KC
KU - Same as KSU but a bigger national draw.
TCU - Dallas/Ft Worth
Tx Tech - West Texas

East Division - PLus TV Market

ISU - Des Moines
OSU - Oklahoma & Texas
Houston - Houston, East Tx
Memphis - Memphis
UC - Cincinnati
West Virginia - ? You tell me, but good football & Basketball
UCF - Orlando
USF - Miami

You can have 4 pods,

BYU,Boise St,CU,Tx Tech
KU,KSU,TCU,Baylor

Houston,ISU,OSU,Memphis
UCF,USF,WV, Cincy

IMHO, it's all coming down to Super Conferences and the teams that don't move now is going to have a hard time landing into a competitive conference from top to bottom in football and basketball.

Will it happen? Nope, just because, that's why. Would this be the best fit for the current 8 schools in the B12 ? I think so, but to get 8 more schools to jump all at once, going to take a very big sales job by somebody.

So what am I missing here on this take ? It's not the SEC, but I think those 16 schools would give them a legitimate chance at claiming # 3 behind the SEC at times based on how good the recruiting goes. The Big10 will still be a step in front on the # 2 conference. So the fight for # 3 is ACC,Pac 12 and whatever can come about with the B12 ( err 16? ).


You can possibly change up ISU for TCU in the divisions & pods.

West Virginia would be DC and NoVA.

KU owns KC and Wichita, with a national following. They won't be in the Big 12 when this is over.

The football program is the worst in the power 5. They will still be in the Big 12.

Video evidence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aL7oCSx4JE

Big 12 should trade Kansas to the BIG 10 for Nebraska

I mean Nebraska will do anything to win again right?

The overriding sentiment that I'm hearing from various ties to Lawrence is that KU to the Big 10 can basically be considered a done deal at this point.

Best hoops tho

There is NOTHING "super" about that conference.

Nebraska wouldnt even win in the Big 12

Football is king, so not one person in KC watches beaker Football let alone a "national following "

I hope so. That would likely mean Iowa State goes as well. PAC takes OSU, KSU, and Tech. Maybe TCU, probably not Baylor. Or maybe even Houston if they really don’t want religious ties. ACC grabs WVU, then who knows if they want to be at 15 1/2 schools or 16 1/2.

Nothing is going to happen until the OuuT mess gets figured out. When they are officially leaving, what the consequences will be, and so on.

Everyone assumes OuuT are gone after this year, but the SEC’s media contract with ESPN doesn’t start until 24. Does CBS really want to fork out cash to pay for two schools that colluded with ESPN go outbid CBS?

It is likely more people in KC watch KU basketball than watch MU or KSU football

There are nearly 3 times as many basketball games.

I hope it doesn’t come to expansion, but if it does I’d go to 14. I think there’s 5 schools they can add that are better than a decent amount of P5 schools, my 6th has some history of being better. I’d add BYU, Cincinnati, Memphis, Houston, UCF, and Boise St. Take the risk of being the first conference to go to streaming. Amazon would likely pay more than Fox/CBS/ESPN. It also opens the door for Amazon to buy other conferences rights in the next wave 10 or so years down the road.

Top to bottom that’s a very competitive conference and would have a lot of good games. The obvious problem is there’s no blue blood at the top, since in this day and age the only thing that matters about a conference is it’s top 1-2 schools.

With all the uncertainty surrounding the remnants of the Big12 I would be pretty surprised if many schools would be willing to gamble their future and jump on board

It'll become the Big Leftover complete with other conferences scraps

If by scraps you mean the best teams from a couple mid major type conferences, sure.

Definitely will no longer be a Power 5 (4 now).

KU will still probably suck at Football unless a miracle occurs.

And Mizzouche will continue to get pounded in the SEC

Max Olson on Twitter-

The Big 12's current preference in expansion discussions is adding four members, sources tell @TheAthletic.

BYU, UCF, Cincinnati and Houston are considered the leading contenders. Still a lot of work to be done.

That might add up to an OK football conference, and a decent basketball one.

Still would rather just shut down the Big 12.

MIAA?

So, you shut down the B12 Conf.....where is it that you think ku is going to land? They won't be going to a Power Conf any time soon. Realignent is about football, and ku isn't about football.

How are people this stupid still? Read the thread, slaver-U fans

In their defense, they went to MU, or have a totally unrelated reason for rooting for Slaver U.

I'm not an muTT Fan. My question is legit. Where are you going to go?

Apparently the B1G. It's all but set in stone at this point according to unnamed rumors.

Why the capital Ts?

Short bus.

Why not?

I realize it really burns all y'all's asses that KU's basketball program is a bigger draw than your football programs, but that's the reality.

Sad truth is KU's football can't get worse, but our basketball program will continue to bring in more viewers than probably both your football programs combined.

JFC....You have some serious jilted lover stuff going on. The question is, where are you going to? If that's too difficult for you to answer, then so be it.

I am actually glad KUs basketball program is great. I was born and raised in KC and them having a good program is good for KC.

When’s the announcement?

No clue. I am not a KU fan. I am just basing off of what is said here.

Well the conferences will be rolling out the red carpet for KU. Any day now. Just you wait and see.

I just don't see how a conference call have schools in Utah/Idaho (Boise St), Florida, and West Virginia.

Those are some long flights, and the Big 12 already made scheduling concessions for WV so they could play 2 teams in the same week without having to go all the way back to WV in between.

It will clearly be KSU's fault for holding us back if such a scenario plays out.

ROFL KU fans still trying to hate on MU and it's a decade after they left the Big howevermany

Looks like the smartest decision ever now

uncertainty makes you cranky, try a snickers

To be fair, it's mostly just Lawrence Raider that brings any actual hostility. Even PB is doing it for the lulz at this point.

Mizzouche sports is too irrelevant to hate.