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Al Czervik 03-01-2022 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DJay23 (Post 16170767)
Welp, round of 32 exit incoming. This is not a tough team whatsoever.

All of this.......expect another massacre like the USC game last year in 2nd Rd.

Chiefs Pantalones 03-01-2022 09:47 PM

Self hasn’t done a very good job with this squad this season. I know the homers don’t wanna hear it but it’s true lol. The lineup combos are hilariously bad. You wanted to get more athletic but to only trot the same guys out there as last season essentially. Weak.

ChiefsFan123456 03-01-2022 10:23 PM

I can not remember the last time I have been disappointed but this team is a major disappointment this year

BigRedChief 03-01-2022 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by CasselGotPeedOn (Post 16170808)
This program has become stale.

Since the threat of NCAA sanctions started hanging over the team they haven’t landed top 10 players like they use to before.

BigRedChief 03-01-2022 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 16170884)
Clemence was about the only one who gave a shit in that game and actually pushed back during his brief time. The others were willing to get rolled over from opening tip and showed very little effort or fight. Showed all over the embarrassing rebounding and second chance numbers.

Would love it if he started playing Clemence more (especially over Lightfoot who literally gives nothing at all on either end) but the ship has probably sailed on that this year.

when I was pushing for more playing time for Clemence earlier this year, you told me he wasn’t good enough? McCormack was the better option?

KC_Connection 03-01-2022 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 16171072)
when I was pushing for more playing time for Clemence earlier this year, you told me he wasn’t good enough? McCormack was the better option?

Yeah, that definitely never happened. If you're convinced it did, show your work. This is every post I've made referencing Clemence in this thread (with a few others expressing my distaste for McCormack).


Pre-season optimism on July 6, 2021:
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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 15731893)
Top 2 team now, I'd say. Only Zaga can compare.

Starting lineup might look something like this:

PG: Martin
SG: Yesufu
SF: Agbaji
PF: Wilson
C: McCormack

First off bench: Harris, Braun (hopefully he's not getting much more than 10-15 min a game on this roster now), Coleman Lands, Martin, Clemence

Others: Adams, Pettiford, Lightfoot (who may never play again)


Regarding Clemence being better than everyone thought he would be on November 10, 2021:
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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 15947400)
I suspect Clemence was better than anybody thought he would be based on his play last night.


Regarding Clemence potentially losing minutes on November 26, 2021:
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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 15974943)
It will almost certainly be Clemence sadly.

A post blasting McCormack from November 26, 2021 that remains true:
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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 15977162)
McCormack is the softest 6'10, 260 pound guy I've ever seen. Like can he grab a rebound at all? A loose ball?

Regarding Lightfoot starting over McCormack on January 3, 2022:

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 16050910)
If that’s the alternative to whatever McCormack is doing these days, I probably wouldn’t even play a true 5 at all. Go small with Wilson at the 5 and run teams off the court.

Regarding this being the worst defensive team of the Self era, focusing particularly on the defensive failings of Martin and McCormack in the pick and roll on January 31, 2021:

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 16123326)
They are significantly better offensively than last year, but their defense has gotten much, much worse. It's actually the worst defensive team in the Self era statistically right now. Can probably be explained a lot by the difference between Marcus Garrett (best perimeter defender in the country) and Remy Martin (plays no defense whatsoever).

Both Martin and McCormack can be easily exploited by any PNR offense any time they are on the floor.

Agreeing that Clemence should be playing over Lightfoot on February 19, 2022:
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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 16154252)
I would be playing Clemence over Lightfoot for sure, agreed.

On Clemence tonight:
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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 16170651)
Yeah, no effort from any of them except Clemence tonight. Just letting TCU do anything they want on court all game.

Have to win the last 2 to get a share of the B12 now. I would have said that was likely before tonight but this is a step in the wrong direction.

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 16170884)
Clemence was about the only one who gave a shit in that game and actually pushed back during his brief time. The others were willing to get rolled over from opening tip and showed very little effort or fight. Showed all over the embarrassing rebounding and second chance numbers.

Would love it if he started playing Clemence more (especially over Lightfoot who literally gives nothing at all on either end) but the ship has probably sailed on that this year.


KC_Connection 03-01-2022 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 16171066)
Since the threat of NCAA sanctions started hanging over the team they haven’t landed top 10 players like they use to before.

KU made the F4 four years ago, were the best team in the NCAA in 2020, and will be the 1 or 2 seed in the tournament this year with something like 30 wins at the end of the year. If that's a down period for KU, we're definitely spoiled.

KC_Connection 03-02-2022 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefs Pantalones (Post 16170934)
Self hasn’t done a very good job with this squad this season. I know the homers don’t wanna hear it but it’s true lol. The lineup combos are hilariously bad. You wanted to get more athletic but to only trot the same guys out there as last season essentially. Weak.

I'm not sure anything he would have done would have mattered all that much other than playing Clemence more tbh. The kid's shown flashes of being a very good player when he's been out there and he's not gotten a chance for reasons that are unclear. It's not like he was ever going to bench Ochai, Braun, or Wilson.

As far as the guard position (Harris), Remy has been injured most of the time and then a total disaster defensively at other times to the point that Self can't trust him at all out there and Yesefu is shooting 24% from three and looked lost for half the year.

BigRedChief 03-02-2022 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 16171081)
Yeah, that definitely never happened. If you're convinced it did, show your work. This is every post I've made referencing Clemence in this thread (with a few others expressing my distaste for McCormack).


Pre-season optimism on July 6, 2021:


Regarding Clemence being better than everyone thought he would be on November 10, 2021:


Regarding Clemence potentially losing minutes on November 26, 2021:

A post blasting McCormack from November 26, 2021 that remains true:


Regarding Lightfoot starting over McCormack on January 3, 2022:



Regarding this being the worst defensive team of the Self era, focusing particularly on the defensive failings of Martin and McCormack in the pick and roll on January 31, 2021:



Agreeing that Clemence should be playing over Lightfoot on February 19, 2022:


On Clemence tonight:

obviously, not you. Mistaken identity. :thumb:

KC_Connection 03-02-2022 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 16171106)
obviously, not you. Mistaken identity. :thumb:

No problem. My consistent thread with KU bigs this year has been playing Lightfoot not at all and Clemence more while also criticizing McCormack for his usual inconsistencies/flaws (although I still believe he has some value against other big-oriented teams).

threebag 03-02-2022 12:44 AM

Glad I didn’t get to watch the game today. Score looks like it sucked

BWillie 03-02-2022 12:48 AM

I cannot wait to get a real natural shooter in here (Gradey Dick) and some real athletes (Zuby & Rice) and length (Udeh Jr). We have all of that coming in next year. Need a transfer PG but everyone knows Harris is still going to get 30 mpg either way.

The sad part is we probably are on probation next year.

RockChalk 03-02-2022 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 16171131)
I cannot wait to get a real natural shooter in here (Gradey Dick) and some real athletes (Zuby & Rice) and length (Udeh Jr). We have all of that coming in next year. Need a transfer PG but everyone knows Harris is still going to get 30 mpg either way.

The sad part is we probably are on probation next year.

There is zero chance we are on probation next year

sedated 03-02-2022 03:39 PM

The biggest problem with this team and why its so inconsistent (IMHO) is because we've tried to replace true guards with wings, mostly because we don't really have a competent alternative. The trio of Harris/Remy/Yesufu have been severely lacking (even if each is for a different reason).

Seems every game I end up envious of our opponent's lead guard, and wish we could trade any 2 of the above for them.

Reminds me of the years we'd have to rely on Thaarpe to run the show.

Ceej 03-03-2022 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 16171131)
I cannot wait to get a real natural shooter in here (Gradey Dick) and some real athletes (Zuby & Rice) and length (Udeh Jr). We have all of that coming in next year. Need a transfer PG but everyone knows Harris is still going to get 30 mpg either way.

The sad part is we probably are on probation next year.

But who scores?


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