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BossChief 01-31-2019 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 14084315)
And if he's injured again? Just based on the numbers, the chances of him getting hurt again are pretty high.

I found a fantasy football site that estimates injury probabilities - they had Ford as the 23rd most likely player in the LEAGUE to get injured at the beginning of the season. The over/under was 2.5 games. Think about that for a minute.

He's almost guaranteed to get hurt next year and if you go by his history, consider the year he had this year with the groin and nothing else, there's a good chance it's SEVERAL games.

You're basically saying Andy wants him as insurance against Speaks being a rookie. Who's insurance against Ford?
This is exactly my reasoning behind tagging him for a year and then signing him after that.

JakeF 02-01-2019 04:02 AM
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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 14084330)
I’m still laughing at the low ceiling comment.

Dee has a full blown ELITE first step
Dee runs a 4.5 40 yard dash
Dee has a knack for causing turnovers..most notably stripsacks
His PFF grade has improved every year as a pro
He finally had back surgery that seems to have given him new flexibility.
The longer he goes without back issues, the stronger his core strength will grow and the less of a chance his back issues return.

His “CEILING” is a top 5 pass rusher in the NFL.
When you see him on the field, do you see Elite right now?

His ceiling is Derrick Thomas with all that comes with. Put him next to Chris Jones and pull a Neil Smith/Derrick Thomas combo?

It's always a risk to give Big Money to a guy that suddenly shows up on his contract year. A one-trick pony with back problems. His one trick is one of the most valuable tricks in the NFL though. He also isn't the brightest and does some dumb stuff pretty regularly.

Do we keep Houston and Ford? That's a lot of money.

Red Dawg 02-01-2019 06:17 AM
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Originally Posted by JakeF (Post 14084467)
When you see him on the field, do you see Elite right now?

His ceiling is Derrick Thomas with all that comes with. Put him next to Chris Jones and pull a Neil Smith/Derrick Thomas combo?

It's always a risk to give Big Money to a guy that suddenly shows up on his contract year. A one-trick pony with back problems. His one trick is one of the most valuable tricks in the NFL though. He also isn't the brightest and does some dumb stuff pretty regularly.

Do we keep Houston and Ford? That's a lot of money.
Ford should get dumped. Make Houston take a pay cut or dump him as well. Save the money and find younger, hungry players in FA that will cost less. Their money is killing us as a team. Cut Berry after June 1 and save what you can.

Chris Meck 02-01-2019 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 14084333)
Speaks is going to be very very good at DE once he drops 15 pounds and converts it to muscle.
Suggs lite
He doesn't need to drop weight.

Chiefs Moon 02-01-2019 06:39 AM
Go full Patriots. Stop signing big money contracts. If you can get two #1 picks for Chris Jones or Tyreek Hill, take it and save the money to spend on FA. Get out of the cycle of tying up huge dollars when players get hurt all the time. Mahomes will get his money, no one else can get $20 million per year. Get the best coaches money can buy and build the roster from the bottom up.

Chris Meck 02-01-2019 06:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Chiefs Moon (Post 14084488)
Go full Patriots. Stop signing big money contracts. If you can get two #1 picks for Chris Jones or Tyreek Hill, take it and save the money to spend on FA. Get out of the cycle of tying up huge dollars when players get hurt all the time. Mahomes will get his money, no one else can get $20 million per year. Get the best coaches money can buy and build the roster from the bottom up.
Those 2 guys you should keep. Young, still improving and unusual skillsets. Jones, in a 4-3, will be near Donald-like. Tyreek, with his speed, is a game changer.

Those two guys you build things around in your schemes.

All the older, often injured, declining guys are the contracts you need to get off of.

farmerchief 02-01-2019 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 14084330)
I’m still laughing at the low ceiling comment.

Dee has a full blown ELITE first step
Dee runs a 4.5 40 yard dash
Dee has a knack for causing turnovers..most notably stripsacks
His PFF grade has improved every year as a pro
He finally had back surgery that seems to have given him new flexibility.
The longer he goes without back issues, the stronger his core strength will grow and the less of a chance his back issues return.

His “CEILING” is a top 5 pass rusher in the NFL.
Let us hope ALL the GM's from other teams have your same viewpoint, it will make trading him for high value a likely possibility!:clap:

Chris Meck 02-01-2019 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by farmerchief (Post 14084501)
Let us hope ALL the GM's from other teams have your same viewpoint, it will make trading him for high value a likely possibility!:clap:
he's not a guy you want taking up 10% of your cap.

pugsnotdrugs19 02-01-2019 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Chiefs Moon (Post 14084488)
Go full Patriots. Stop signing big money contracts. If you can get two #1 picks for Chris Jones or Tyreek Hill, take it and save the money to spend on FA. Get out of the cycle of tying up huge dollars when players get hurt all the time. Mahomes will get his money, no one else can get $20 million per year. Get the best coaches money can buy and build the roster from the bottom up.
New England will pay their own home grown stars typically. Not always, but they do.

They’ve just never had studs like Hill or Jones in the last several years.

FringeNC 02-01-2019 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Chiefs Moon (Post 14084488)
Go full Patriots. Stop signing big money contracts. If you can get two #1 picks for Chris Jones or Tyreek Hill, take it and save the money to spend on FA. Get out of the cycle of tying up huge dollars when players get hurt all the time. Mahomes will get his money, no one else can get $20 million per year. Get the best coaches money can buy and build the roster from the bottom up.
This. We finally have our franchise QB. Go for the dynasty instead of year to year haphazard salary cap management. I'd probably make an exception for Hill, though. He truly is a difference maker.

Reerun_KC 02-01-2019 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 14084510)
New England will pay their own home grown stars typically. Not always, but they do.

They’ve just never had studs like Hill or Jones in the last several years.
Not just super bowls. Would trade both hill and Jones for a Super Bowl victory.

staylor26 02-01-2019 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 14084514)
Not just super bowls. Would trade both hill and Jones for a Super Bowl victory.
What the **** are you even saying?

pugsnotdrugs19 02-01-2019 07:52 AM
Ehh I think you’re crazy to let guys like Hill or Jones go just because you think that’s what BB would do. At some point you need playmakers to win, and at some point you have to reward your guys for playing well or people are going to question your culture and organizational philosophy.

The only reason Chandler Jones isn’t a Patriot right now is he did some stupid shit involving drugs. But the Patriots would be a lot more dangerous with him and they probably would have won last year’s Super Bowl if he were still there.

ChiefoftheKeyboard 02-01-2019 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Chiefs Moon (Post 14084488)
Go full Patriots. Stop signing big money contracts. If you can get two #1 picks for Chris Jones or Tyreek Hill, take it and save the money to spend on FA. Get out of the cycle of tying up huge dollars when players get hurt all the time. Mahomes will get his money, no one else can get $20 million per year. Get the best coaches money can buy and build the roster from the bottom up.
Let two superstars walk to still go spend the same money in FA? That is the dumbest s*** I've heard. Then you're paying guys who don't know your system yet and letting guys very familiar with the system that are exceeding expectations walk free.

htismaqe 02-01-2019 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 14084514)
Not just super bowls. Would trade both hill and Jones for a Super Bowl victory.
Guys like Hill and Jones are HOW you win Super Bowls, Ree.


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