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htismaqe 01-02-2013 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Frosty (Post 9270384)
Or it's possible that he was there to answer questions about the roster, the status of various players' contracts, etc as he would be the one most knowledgeable about that. It's not like Clark could ask Romeo to come along.
Very true.

Monty 01-02-2013 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 9270383)
LMAO You mean the ones he chooses to be friends with. He was the only guy that called me up to talk about the Belcher deal, rather than just talk here.
Some of us don't have your cell #. :shrug:

petegz28 01-02-2013 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Frosty (Post 9270384)
Or it's possible that he was there to answer questions about the roster, the status of various players' contracts, etc as he would be the one most knowledgeable about that. It's not like Clark could ask Romeo to come along.
This is an excellent point.

DJ's left nut 01-02-2013 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9270378)
Obviously if he was in the interview process, Clark wanted his input,no?
No.

I have my bookkeeper in any interview where I'm dealing with someone that could be involved in the financial side of the house.

And when the hiring decision comes, I couldn't give a !@#$ less what my bookkeeper has to say about the decision. She's there to answer questions about some of the day to day stuff that I honestly do not have much clue about - I don't have the time to track all of that.

Pioli's presence could very easily have been informational and almost exclusively for the purpose of answering questions from the interviewee and/or keeping the interview progressing with an acceptable flow. You can only not have an answer because the last guy was doing the job so many times before you look like you don't know what the !@#$ you're doing and perhaps lose a desireable candidate.

RustShack 01-02-2013 06:57 PM
Pioli is pretty good at the GM job. Everyone hates him because he was doing far more than being just the GM. Yeah he let Carr go, because he was smart enough to know you don't pay your #2 CB more than your #1. Other than that he did a great job of retaining guys like Charles, DJ, Hali, and Flowers. Just because we had the cap space, doesn't make it OK to throw out stupid contracts to a player that wanted to go play for his favorite team anyways.

Just because his role is reduced greatly, doesn't mean he isn't doing anything anymore. Most GM's don't have the kind of power he had, unless they also owned the team like Jerry Jones.

Clark Hunt will be more involved, as will the HC. It wont be Don Pioli anymore, just GM. It would be pretty similar to his role with Bill in NE when they won three Super Bowls together.

DeezNutz 01-02-2013 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9270379)
It would've been strange if he wasn't, to be honest.

Even if he has no authority at this point, he was responsible for virtually all Football opps for the last 4 years. If Andy Reid has a question relating to Opps, Pioli would've been the person to answer it.

Honestly, Pioli had to be in that room. Hunt could've gotten cornered and turned into a yammering buffoon had the wrong question been asked and he had no answer for it. With Pioli in the room, he can gracefully toss the question to the person that was responsible for the day to day operations. If Pioli isn't there, the conversation essentially halts on the subject and you have the interview equivalent of an awkward silence.

If Pioli is still in this organization, he has to be in that room. Period. Should Hunt have fired him outright and given those questions to Farmer? Perhaps, but that's not what happened.

If this is how Clark wants to do this, then Pioli has to be there to keep the interview going smoothly. The worst thing that could happen would be an awkward interview that causes them to lose Reid's interest and gets him on a plane to AZ without an offer.
You're far overstating Pioli's role, and I realize that your post is going to inspire a lot of "This's's's!!!" because it quells fears.

Pioli was in charge of football operations. No doubt. But he didn't hold the golden key to this super-secret, ultra-elaborate operation that only he could understand, despite the fact that he tried to run things like this was the case.

If he's not there and a person like Farmer is, the interview goes just as smoothly as any interview for an organization trying to find a GM.

Mr. Flopnuts 01-02-2013 06:58 PM
Yeah, this is reeruned. Pioli is the guy that has the team knowledge. He's not going ANYWHERE until someone is hired, and the fact that anyone is even concerned about it is stupid. Prospective coaches are going to have questions, and he's literally the only guy in the building that can answer them.

shaggyshane 01-02-2013 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 9270322)
It's all bullshit. He brought Pioli so Reid could learn about the team the same way he kept Herman ****ing Edwards so Pioli could. Pioli isn't coming back.
That is all we can hope for... :(

65TossPowerTrap 01-02-2013 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9270379)
It would've been strange if he wasn't, to be honest.

Even if he has no authority at this point, he was responsible for virtually all Football opps for the last 4 years. If Andy Reid has a question relating to Opps, Pioli would've been the person to answer it.

Honestly, Pioli had to be in that room. Hunt could've gotten cornered and turned into a yammering buffoon had the wrong question been asked and he had no answer for it. With Pioli in the room, he can gracefully toss the question to the person that was responsible for the day to day operations. If Pioli isn't there, the conversation essentially halts on the subject and you have the interview equivalent of an awkward silence.

If Pioli is still in this organization, he has to be in that room. Period. Should Hunt have fired him outright and given those questions to Farmer? Perhaps, but that's not what happened.

If this is how Clark wants to do this, then Pioli has to be there to keep the interview going smoothly. The worst thing that could happen would be an awkward interview that causes them to lose Reid's interest and gets him on a plane to AZ without an offer.
That's an awesome post :clap:

Excellent summation

O.city 01-02-2013 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 9270386)
Yea whatever.

And you also say that not knowing what the deal is with Pioli or at what capacity he is going to be retained.

Fact is if Clark owes Pioli say $10MM if he cuts bait now so he puts him in the corner and hires Reid to run the team and its a success, yea people will bitch every time they hear Pioli's name but if the team wins and shows promise who gives a ****?

Is the goal to win the SB or do we get a trophy for Pioli getting fired too?

I want the ****er gone too but I am not going to make assumptions when I dont have all the info. I imagine more info will come out eventually.

People here talk like firing Pioli is no big thing, maybe its not but what I have seen and heard tells me it is a big issue or he would already be gone.This place is absolutely great at spending other people's $ though so why should that play a roll in anything now?
It's not my money, why should I give a ****?


However, when I start paying my money for the product, a product severely negatively affected by Scott, I'm gonna voice an opinion, while not spending any money.

ILChief 01-02-2013 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 9270398)
Pioli is pretty good at the GM job. Everyone hates him because he was doing far more than being just the GM. Yeah he let Carr go, because he was smart enough to know you don't pay your #2 CB more than your #1. Other than that he did a great job of retaining guys like Charles, DJ, Hali, and Flowers. Just because we had the cap space, doesn't make it OK to throw out stupid contracts to a player that wanted to go play for his favorite team anyways.

Just because his role is reduced greatly, doesn't mean he isn't doing anything anymore. Most GM's don't have the kind of power he had, unless they also owned the team like Jerry Jones.

Clark Hunt will be more involved, as will the HC. It wont be Don Pioli anymore, just GM. It would be pretty similar to his role with Bill in NE when they won three Super Bowls together.
Yeah his QB and coaching hires were money

Frosty 01-02-2013 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by ILChief (Post 9270406)
Yeah his QB and coaching hires were money
Along with his drafts. :rolleyes:

Pasta Little Brioni 01-02-2013 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9270391)
Meh, I started off being serious.



But with the feedback I was getting, it was too good to be true. ROFL
I catch you every damn time man.

DeezNutz 01-02-2013 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 9270386)
Yea whatever.

And you also say that not knowing what the deal is with Pioli or at what capacity he is going to be retained.

Fact is if Clark owes Pioli say $10MM if he cuts bait now so he puts him in the corner and hires Reid to run the team and its a success, yea people will bitch every time they hear Pioli's name but if the team wins and shows promise who gives a ****?

Is the goal to win the SB or do we get a trophy for Pioli getting fired too?

I want the ****er gone too but I am not going to make assumptions when I dont have all the info. I imagine more info will come out eventually.

People here talk like firing Pioli is no big thing, maybe its not but what I have seen and heard tells me it is a big issue or he would already be gone.This place is absolutely great at spending other people's $ though so why should that play a roll in anything now?
It's possible that I was being ironical because of the Royals reference. This is a prime example of an owner, literally, not trying to win for over a decade, fist ****ing an entire fan base in the process, and the fans keep begging for more anal.

BigMeatballDave 01-02-2013 07:01 PM
I hate that Scott is still around, but I am happy that Clark has taken a more proactive role and reduced Scott's power. I can take some comfort in that.


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