LMAO

The memes are so ****ing brutal but so ****ing hilarious.

Ughhhh.

The only thing ISU give the Big 10 is that guarantees the Iowa/ISU game every year.

Just dont see how a league that big is good for college sports.

They also give them another AAU school, but that's about it. ISU does not move the needle much for the B1G.

I’d rather watch my chosen team win than care how much money they make.

This goes for anything, not just KU.

You must think you have a chance to marry Salma Hayek.

That's a bit too good for KU football.

As bad as KU football is, could you imagine what this might have looked like had it taken place in say, oh, 1987.

A thought experiment - say right after the death penalty of SMU, the power players of the college football world feared the over reach of the NCAA and said enough was enough and started what we’re seeing now.

https://time.com/3720498/ncaa-smu-death-penalty/

Would it be K-State that would be getting these memes?

https://vault.si.com/vault/1989/09/0...t-hapless-team

TLDR - When it comes to college football, nobody does it worse than Kansas State. After 93 years of trying to play the game, the Wildcats' record is 299-509-41, dead last among the 106 schools in Division I-A.

34 years ago?

https://media.tenor.com/images/c85ce...e385/tenor.gif

I understand that. But do you understand that when it comes to conference alignment the powers that be actually DO care about money? And that the conference you're in DOES matter? Thankfully you're not in charge of these things because KU would end up in the mountain west destroying them in basketball. I for one do not want to be Gonzaga.

Kentucky's revenue for basketball is still well behind football, though. IIRC, the only program a few years ago that was Power 5 that had their basketball team out generate football was Louisville.

I will say I am shocked KU and UK are both that large in terms of viewership/national draw as basketball typically doesn't outdraw football.

I'd guess those 2, along with maybe UNC and Duke, probably pull the strongest television numbers.

KU should be fine with landing somewhere-national fanbase for basketball and AAU for academics. Only downside is TV market, but regionally speaking they make sense for B1G.

Can you post the article. I’d be interested in who wrote that.

A KU mouthpiece.

https://theathletic.com/2745528/2021...it-could-look/

Here is an example of the pods based mostly on geography and somewhat on competitiveness (though D could get pretty rugged) …

Pod A
Florida
Georgia
South Carolina
Tennessee

Pod B
Alabama
Auburn
Kentucky
Vanderbilt

Pod C
LSU
Mississippi State
Ole Miss
Missouri

Pod D
Arkansas
Oklahoma
Texas
Texas A&M

Pod C & D probably would not be like that. Also, Texas A&M would throw a shitfit if they were stuck in a pod like that with Texas.

For Mizzou, from a competitive standpoint, Pod C is an 'easier' pod. That said, Pod D makes more sense for them for recruiting. Also, renews an old Big 8 rivalry and the SEC has been 'pushing' the border rivalry between Mizzou-Arkansas and trying to make something out of it.

So i think it's more likely that if they went to a Pod system, you would see Mizzou and Texas A&M flipped.

But you never know, I guess . . . . . .

Kentucky doesn’t have much of a historic/geographic rivalry with either Auburn or Alabama, unlike Tennessee or LSU(they played them like 40 or 50 years straight until the mid-late 2000s).


For rivalry perspective, Kentucky should be in same pod of at least 1 of Florida/Tennessee along with Vandy.

I also don’t think you can separate Vandy from Tennessee

I mean not to cherry pick but: KU-Duke 2018 Elite 8 game drew 15.6m viewers

The Bama-Ohio State FB title game in January this year was 18.7

People act like college FB is soooo popular and BB isn’t.....but that’s false

When you are a Mizzou fan and you have nothing, you must invent something to pick at your betters about.

Kind of like Raiders fans with regards to the Chiefs? :p

But nevertheless, Mizzou thanks you for your concerns and assures you they are very happy to be in the SEC and have some stability going forward.

I’m sure KU will be fine when the big conference re-shuffle goes down.

Scheduling would be a lot easier with 16 teams rather than 14. Play your pod every year, then two from each of the others as well. 9 conference games, play everyone in your conference at least once every two years.

LMAO Just how obsessed are you? Rams fan is a Kentucky fan, not Mizzou.

I could see the PAC 12 doing something potentially like this:

Pod A:
Washington
Wazzu
Oregon
OreSt

Pod B:
Stanford
Cal
UCLA
USC

Pod C:
Zona
Zona St
Okie St
TCU

Pod D:
Colorado
Utah
Houston
Kansas

You ****ing idiot.

I went to Kentucky. I am a Kentucky alum. I have seen Kentucky lose by 60 to Bama in person and beat Charlotte by 50 in sleet in football. I have seen them lose and win against Kansas in person.

How obsessed are you?

And also, PB’s civil in these discussions and doesn’t automatically pin an opposing viewpoint as OMGMIZZOU.

Go **** yourself.

I’ll pull up numbers later, but if I’m to shoot some shit out of my ass randomly I’d guess that UK-KU regular season does not draw the same as say Arkansas-Texas will for football this year or LSU-Texas from 2 years ago

I went to the Bragging Rights in 2019 lower level about 3 rows back in a Mizzou booster/donor section (tickets that were gifted to me) wearing a Kentucky pullover while everyone else was wearing Mizzou colors. LMAO

Go **** yourself, lawrenceraider.

Agreed.

But there’s a lot more hoops inventory. Kentucky basketball plays 3x the games Kentucky FB does. In aggregate it narrows the #s a lot. Plus FB has to go up against the NFL in the fall whereas hoops is a dead period or programming from Jan-March.

I ran the numbers a few years back from SportsMediaWatch and found about 850M viewers for college football season. 600M for college hoops (225m or so for March Madness alone. )


But those count too, and still it’s <1/2 of total eyeballs for a hoops season

You bring up a valid point and I’m not disregarding that basketball has a national following for it. It’s just not THE main factor for all of these conference alignments.

It’s football-plain and simple. And the. Anything involving basketball is an additional bonus for the most part.

Texas and Oklahoma aren’t joining the SEC because they have a large following for basketball-they’re joining because of football. And football moves the needle for decision making. You have anomalies like Kansas, Kentucky, Duke, UNC where basketball still has a large national following that probably supersedes football, but it’s still not as large of a $ driver. as footbal.

KU won’t fall to the wayside like Kansas St. because of their basketball following, but from a department and revenue standpoint, having football not be a complete embarrassment for the last decade would probably benefit them more for the next conference wars(if there’s another one).

Just looking at Kentucky. 2019 FB attendance 425,000. Hoops 390,000


Markets. Then football second. See Buttgers, Maryland.

2019 all NCAA levels FB attendance 47M. All hoops 31M. Again, the gap isn’t nearly what the avg fan has been told by talking heads.

KU FB is a lost cause and it’s prinariky because they’re next door to an NFL franchise. Even when the Chiefs suck, I go to the games and watch them all because the quality is so superior. Not many programs (if any) can compete with The Shield.

Football moves the needle and KansASS hasn't posted a winning season since Twitter was invented. You would be in better shape if your dumbass dept didn't fire Mangino.

Truth hurts.

Kentucky is more relevant than the Beaks. That's gotta suck.

Obviously no one really knows anything at this point.

But latest I heard is there’s interest between the B1G and USC(there’s also previously been rumors the PAC schools want to stay together). The B1G is in no rush, and deciding if they want USC +1 or +5.

Or obviously they could stay at 14 if they want.

I don’t know all the rules for every conference, but I know in the Big12 you’re supposed to give a 12 hour notice before talking to another conference about joining.

Which obviously Texas and Oklahoma broke that rule, but I’m guessing especially now schools/conferences are trying to keep things as hush hush as much as possible while trying to figure out the future.

Bammy is 96-11 vs the SEC the last 13 seasons. That’s not even 1 loss per year in League.

Why do those conf schools fanbases watch that hot garbage? They wasted 13 full years of life talking about, going to, and watching a total farce of a “competition”

If you had any idea how stupid this makes you look you'd never do it again but I'm really not sure you have the bandwidth to comprehend it.

My sources telling me Big 10 is taking a hard look at Mizzou.

When we're talking millions differences for attendance, isn't that quite a bit in terms of revenue, though, and probably hundreds of millions of dollars?

Re: KU FB- I don't think it's a lost cause and think they could probably replicate the success they had with Mangino if they invested more into the program/facilities. I mean, even Campbell's having success at Iowa ****ing State, which is the #2 school in the state. I'm not sure I agree with the being near a NFL team hurts their success, either.

Ann Arbor is pretty much the same distance from Detroit as Lawrence is from Kansas City. Look at Miami. Stanford to San Francisco.

Also, lawrenceraider, I was on Finebaum today because YOLO(first time ever calling) and talked about Kentucky football.

So **** off.

LMAO Y u heff to be mad?

Because it’s fun being the Kentucky alum that lives Alabama and consistently gives bold predictions while never letting my colors run.

What is cousin to cousin romance like? I know they say a mouths a mouth but don't we have to draw the line somewhere?

Rams Fan might have gone to the cousin ****ing university but he's definitely a low key MU fan as well. Always has been.

I get football is top dog but this was written today

it was already posted yesterday though

I guess I saw it today my bad

All my days are blurred together anymore

All good, I would expect KU viewership to be way high numbers. The people I know who follow KU bball are fanatical about it and it's almost like a religion.

Football seems to be the king overall but there are definitely outliers like KU/UK etc who I'm sure generate big numbers

Interested to see how all this shuffling plays out, hopefully all parties involved end up in a better place. Hard to believe that it was so long ago that Mizzou made the switch.

Yeah I can't believe it's been a decade almost. I think KU will be fine, but we'll see what happens I guess. Sucks our administration has been so god awful hiring coaches. We've had so many chances to make ourselves look more attractive.

Why in the hell would Kentucky fan care about this thread?

Besides, it's always fun to jab at Mizzou fans. They are very touchy about their lack of any substantive success in athletics.

You know Kentucky is in the SEC right?

So they have a say in how KU and the rest of the Big(now)8 end up?

The thread is about all the college realignment not just KU.

Rams Fan was making comments about KU, not just college realignment.

Erroneous ones at that.

Nobody would leave the SEC. so the other 3 leagues:

1. BIG has the highest per team payout $54m.
2. PAC is on a geographic island
3. ACC Locked In TV deal until 2036


So those leagues really don’t have many (any?) options. KU hoops is the only premier brand out there but only the BIG makes any sense but KU won’t clear the $54m avg payout threshold. The BIG can’t poach the ACC for 15 more years and I doubt they do some massive weird merger with the PAC.

KU's problem is cbball is a deteriorating product and has been so for the last decade. Ratings have tanked and I'm not sure anyone outside of a few bball hotbeds even watches it anymore.

Kentucky is in the SEC.

Dumb. Every sport has seen ratings tumble incl college FB. The Olympics crashed 45% from last time. Even The Shield took a 7% dive last year.


Is every sport a “deteriorating product” or is there something else happening?

I think we can unanimously agree MLB is unwatchable on TV in its current state.

People are “sports’d out”. Too many games too many teams via expansion. Being on TV back in the 80s or 90s was a big deal.


Also people prob worn out by Covid. Realizing sports isn’t that crucial. The blatant money grabs are a turnoff. Also, when lockdowns started people realized they could live without sports anyway.

As opposed to watching MLB games in person?

I have no problem with sitting and watching a MLB game in person.

On TV, I’m disinterested

Yeah. I can't disagree with any of this.

And providers were already losing viewers by the droves pre-Covid and obviously the past year just escalated that.... and so casual fans are driven away because of overall cost and going to cheaper alternatives that mostly don't involve sports.... and for good measure, alienate your hard core fans with add in-game commercials, pre/post games that are mostly commercials, almost no content/build up to the actual games, constant disputes and channels disappearing (thanks, Dish :cuss: ), etc.

162 Games .....it's easy to stop paying attention, especially if your team is out of the playoff picture. It's just too many games to have many of them fall under the category of "must see TV".

I wonder how much of the sports audience drop is <30 age.

When I was in HS and college, I couldn’t stop watching espn. Even liked the nba back then ROFL

But I didn’t have 8,000 cable channels and online stuff and internet porn and etc etc. possible that young folks just aren’t into a QB sack or a buzzer beater like I was

Sports leagues/teams used to squeeze fans that went to the games until they got too expensive for a lot of people, now they are squeezing them for staying home and watching on TV.

Look at the Royals, they got the most money by going to Bally Sports, now a big chunk of the fans can't even watch without switching to a certain cable provider.

If it costs extra money or takes extra steps to watch a sport/team, casual fans will start to say F this.

You're from kansas. That's a time honored tradition of yours.

You'd be on Dayton Moore's naughty list.

Unfortunately every generation cares less and less about sports. They all gravitate more to video games, pop culture, and music/art. Generation Z really, really does not give a shit about sports compared to my generation.

Yeah, I’m under 30 but a good amount of my buddies love sports as much as I do.

Where I really see the drop off is when I talk sports with my students. Some like it, but most have only a casual interest or are just completely ambivalent about it. Baseball is due for a massive crash. Only 2 of my students can even watch the Rockies (we live in CO) and it’s because their parents are fans.

KU can join the AMERICAN unless Navy thinks their Football is too crappy.

Have you seen car companies offer “new grad discounts”? Studies show people become brand loyal by age 35. Making cars a bit cheaper helps your future sales.


I’ve often thought sports teams should offer Gen Z/Milennials preferred pricing. It’s their future customer base for the premium seating.


Automakers know this. Sports teams are run by myopic idiots desperate for the next dollar.

Actually baseball teams are marketing towards the younger with some of the new seating options at games. All inclusive areas that you can move around during the game and have outdoor games etc.

You are easily the worst poster in this thread and man is that saying something

The MLB blackout policy is perhaps the worst long term idea I can think of that a major corporate entity is running with today. Hardly any young people can watch the game, I'll never understand how detached the owners must be to roll with that.

What's the average age of an MLB owner? 73?

You don't want to pay $350/per for upper level tickets and $50 parking to the Chiefs opener in a few weeks?!?

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