<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The AAC has no comment on whether it conspired with ESPN to acquire 3-5 Big 12 teams. <a href="https://twitter.com/SportsDayDFW?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@SportsDayDFW</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/ChuckCarltonDMN?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ChuckCarltonDMN</a></p>&mdash; Joseph Hoyt (@JoeJHoyt) <a href="https://twitter.com/JoeJHoyt/status/1420528646868066304?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 28, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

LMAO why the **** wouldn't you just deny it.

It’s just wild ESPN thought they could move 3-5 schools to the AAC, without paying them equal to more than they would make through 2025 in the Big12.

This ain't the "biting the hand that feeds them" deal. This is about that same hand also abuses them, and guess what, they have the right to defend themselves.

You most certainly don't rob a conference 20 million a year and just expect to skate by. They're giving the mouse the "**** you" treatment. That mouse was in bed with OU, Texas and the SEC, and guess what? Everyone knows it.

Somehow, the Mouse dropped the ball by engaging in the conduct for the sole purpose of injuring the plaintiff. And apparently there's documented evidence of it.

To summarize, the Big 12 just bluntly said "why don't you **** around and find out" to the Mouse, and the Mouse ****ed around, and guess what?

He's finding out now.

LMAO All they'll say is the AAC acted out of self preservation to avoid being poached themselves.

It’s too bad, my son likes watching Micky Mouse.

Would be much easier to say, if there weren’t evidence of ESPN pressuring it.

Do you think that the AAC and ESPN or even UT and OU want to have a university president, AD, or a BOR member testifying on stand with their right hand raised and under oath, especially now?

I doubt that. They'll want to avoid that as much as possible now that this has spilled over.

Oh by the way, it's also a possible antitrust law violation.

That's a big one.

They'll bank on the remains of the Big 12 imploding first and if it gets close to litigation time they'll just pony up the fees and be on their way is my guess.

There’s a ton on violations with Texas and OU alone, especially if they want to leave before 25. But purposely trying to get rid of a conference you have media contracts with for your own gain? Boy oh boy. That’s like getting caught burning down your own house to collect insurance… but on a much larger scale.

Look. As explained before, the Big 12 would not have rattled this chain unless they know there’s a pretty serious legal argument behind it. ESPN must be pretty complicit here and the Big 12 believe they have a smoking gun.

I can see why it would be a PR hit for ESPN, but why is it illegal. Schools can leave their conference, right? Hasn't it happened before?

*ding ding ding*

The accusation is that they (ESPN) tried to get UT and OU them to leave earlier. This is what they're claiming to have evidence of that, that UT and OU didn't have to pay big buyouts and ESPN didn't have to pay the rest of the billion dollars remaining on the TV contract with the Big 12 because the Big 12 would have imploded.

Just doesn't seem like the Big 12 has some smoking gun of evidence if their main threat revolves around the other side not wanting to take the stand.

Rattling the chain is legitimately all they have left. Why not try and scare UT and OU into either honoring their remaining years or the buyout without much of a fuss?

If ESPN really was sloppy enough to leave evidence that they're complicit in this then by all means bend them over and ram it in without lube. It'll be nice to see a corporation of that size actually get smacked the **** around for once because of these bullshit antics.

It’s a wild guess on my part but, if it’s not just slapping at the water trying to not drown their confidence to me indicates that the smoking gun could be coming from one or more of the schools that was approached bringing forth communications about the proposal[s].

Schools who left before weren’t locked into a GOR with four years left. In the Big12 you have to give 12 hour notice of talking to another conference, Texas and Oklahoma are rumored to have been doing it for 6-9 months. ESPN who has contracts with with Big12, trying to end the Big12 for their own gain isn’t exactly legal.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-fo...om-conference/

"I have every expectation that Oklahoma and Texas will do whatever they can to not meet their [contractual] obligations. That's what they've done so far. ... One of the ways the two schools and ESPN will seek to absolve themselves of the obligation is to destabilize the league and cause an implosion of the other eight members.

"I am absolutely certain ESPN employees have discussed and provided incentives for at least one conference to raid 3-5 members from the Big 12. In doing so, they are prepared to reward them with future television proceeds. If the conference goes away as an entity, Oklahoma and Texas could be relieved from their exit obligations. Those obligations at this time would include the payment of $70M to $80M -- two years full revenue -- per school and leaving their media rights with the Big 12.

"We're just not going to sit still and let somebody who is supposed to be our partner collaborate and disrupt our business. I know with certainty they are doing it relative to one conference. I suspect they have done the same thing in moving Texas and Oklahoma to the SEC."

New Conference re-alignment thread
 

I don’t think Bowlsby phrases it as strongly as he did today without something to back it up. But it’s just window dressing for the settlement agreement

Nobody has ever done less with more than Texas

Basically this

This may very well end up being FOX vs Disney for the control of college football into the future.

We’ll see. Disney is one of the most powerful corporations in the world. They own roughly 40% of ALL cinema and staff the best attorneys on the planet. They got caught literally plagiarizing illustrations (like, dead to rights) for Lion King and never paid a red cent for it. They have singlehandedly kept Mickey from going into the public domain for decades because every time he’s due (will be due again in 2025) legislators pass a law extended ALL of corporations their rights to keep their content out of the public domain. Did Disney get caught with their pants down? Looks like it. Will they pay for it? If they do, it’ll be the first time.

There’s no way in hell OU and Texas are staying until 2025…come on lol.

You’d think these other schools would start being more proactive about securing a place elsewhere (and I’m sure some are) instead of clinging on to the 2 schools that don’t want to be there….

ESPN and other media companies could be allies for the remaining Big 12 teams to help show their potential value addition in terms of media rights with the other power conferences.

That seems to be in the better long term interest for the remaining schools than joining Bowlsby’s pissing match with ESPN that ultimately is not going to save the Big 12.

Even Bowlsby knows that. He's trying to ensure that UT and OU pay the exit fees, and possibly a hell of a lot more money from ESPN if he has legitimate proof of what he alleged.

You’d think so but it’s Bowlsby so who knows lol…

Nah, he said as much in the Athletic interview.

Edit: sorry, it was on Ross Dellengers Twitter

Well, they haven’t had much to smile about in the 10 years since leaving. Maybe this can cheer them up.

I’m sure nothing will come of this, but it would be amazing to see ESPN get ran through the ****ing mud.

ESPN used to be such a great channel with outstanding journalists and programming and now it’s just shock jock hot take bullshit.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Big 12 now believes the American is attempting to take all eight remaining members. Earlier report said &quot;3-5&quot; Big 12 members were being solicited Bob Bowlsby told CBS Sports. Story up soon.</p>&mdash; Dennis Dodd (@dennisdoddcbs) <a href="https://twitter.com/dennisdoddcbs/status/1420589830434693120?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 29, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

LMAO Bowlsby totally has the smoking gun that proves ESPN is soliciting other conferences to take 3, or maybe 5, no wait it's all 8 remaining schools.

If they all join the AAC...call it the Big 12. Better name recognition. Kick out Wichita State, East Carolina, Tulsa and Tulane. Those schools are a joke.

They're overexposed, to many channels, to much tv time especially with adding the app and +.

As a Mizzou fan it’s nice to have security now.

I can’t believe he’s still the commissioner of the big 12. Guy was a moron 10 years ago & some things never change.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The AAC checking out K-State like <a href="https://t.co/yBMQ35ys6O">pic.twitter.com/yBMQ35ys6O</a></p>&mdash; Tom Morris III (@TomMorrisIII) <a href="https://twitter.com/TomMorrisIII/status/1420370386034774025?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 28, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Nor has anyone else left in the 'Big 12', minus Baylor.

Sounds like a "security" banner is coming?

I'm so uncomfortable right now

The worst acceptable outcome if KU doesn't get into the B1G, and then the ACC is going basketball only to the Big East. Then football goes to MTN West or AAC. That would still be a big blow, but it maintains the prestigiousness of the basketball program.

I would imagine that is the worst case scenario.

Mizzou fans definitely are.

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The petty back and forth is still pretty fun, yes, but Jesus ****ing shitballs the Big 12 and ESPN brewing shit storm is much more interesting.

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Chcexking under KSU’s hood


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I'm not sure how smart that is of the Big 12. They are absolutely correct, but if you get on ESPN shitlist and they won't broadcast you if the league is saved, what does that get you? You are biting the hand that feeds so to speak.

What effect would a significant conference downgrade for KU Football have on KU Basketball, in terms of revenue?

My understanding is that KU Football is the primary revenue driver at KU, despite their futility.

Posting this again because as it stands now KU Football is at an all-time low and there's really nowhere to go but up. This is why KU is attractive to conferences, they make money even with football sucking and if that stops happening, even a little bit, this revenue spikes.


https://i.imgur.com/GPyDWdS.png

My understanding is that football is the top money maker by a little bit, but KU basketball still makes a shit ton of money on their own.

KU basketball could probably hold itself up on it's own, it's such a great program, but you're right there's just more to it than that. Football is the big money sport everywhere. I'm sure a lot of their fans would be happy just making sure basketball is propped up but the athletic dept. and the university are going to run it like a business, and it's going to be a hard sell gutting your primary revenue driver. It could cost jobs and create some questions about how you fund the other sports.

Imagine the Big 12 successfully forces UT and OU to stay through to 2025 and Texas actually passes that legislation that any school must get permission to move athletic conferences in the meantime.

That's impressive for KU considering Big 10 schools get more media rights fees to enhance their revenue than KU does from the Big 12.

You post the image over and over and it still doesn't mean shit.

lol okay man

Here's the full list (well, Top 50 anyway) and where it's being linked from:


TEAM Conference Total Revenue Total Expenses
1 Texas Big 12 $223,879,781 $204,234,897
2 Texas A&M SEC $212,748,002 $169,012,456
3 Ohio State Big Ten $210,548,239 $220,572,956
4 Michigan Big Ten $197,820,410 $190,952,175
5 Georgia SEC $174,042,482 $143,299,554
6 Penn State Big Ten $164,529,326 $160,369,805
7 Alabama SEC $164,090,889 $185,317,681
8 Oklahoma Big 12 $163,126,695 $157,958,270
9 Florida SEC $159,706,937 $141,829,002
10 LSU SEC $157,787,782 $148,977,880
11 Wisconsin Big Ten $157,660,107 $154,621,828
12 Florida State ACC $152,757,883 $150,147,316
13 Auburn SEC $152,455,416 $139,260,711
14 Iowa Big Ten $151,976,026 $146,282,275
15 Kentucky SEC $150,435,842 $144,886,246
16 Tennessee SEC $143,765,903 $142,976,173
17 South Carolina SEC $140,695,659 $136,879,732
18 Michigan State Big Ten $140,010,865 $135,655,740
19 Louisville ACC $139,955,824 $151,167,940
20 Arkansas SEC $137,497,788 $129,620,361
21 Nebraska Big Ten $136,233,460 $124,148,200
22 Clemson ACC $133,861,515 $131,978,513
23 Washington Pac-12 $133,792,677 $131,317,636
24 Minnesota Big Ten $130,456,454 $129,450,256
25 Indiana Big Ten $127,832,628 $114,822,135
26 Oregon Pac-12 $127,508,498 $128,943,543
27 Arizona State Pac-12 $121,698,840 $118,404,377
28 Kansas Big 12 $121,553,307 $108,881,800
29 Illinois Big Ten $118,565,501 $120,168,951
30 Mississippi State SEC $112,273,809 $98,832,615
31 Purdue Big Ten $110,844,907 $102,026,477
32 Virginia ACC $110,219,117 $112,621,238
33 Maryland Big Ten $108,796,303 $108,785,924
34 Mississippi SEC $108,442,428 $113,013,400
35 UCLA Pac-12 $108,412,967 $127,339,042
36 North Carolina ACC $107,812,619 $110,809,706
37 Missouri SEC $106,610,244 $108,398,447
38 Arizona Pac-12 $105,091,389 $100,565,835
39 Rutgers Big Ten $103,251,280 $103,167,344
40 West Virginia Big 12 $102,680,928 $98,249,890
41 Utah Pac-12 $99,526,695 $96,000,514
42 Virginia Tech ACC $96,772,489 $93,961,068
43 Texas Tech Big 12 $96,625,347 $95,132,604
44 Iowa State Big 12 $95,411,884 $95,315,375
45 Oklahoma State Big 12 $95,335,482 $95,008,483
46 Colorado Pac-12 $94,935,198 $98,413,284
47 North Carolina St. ACC $92,724,548 $90,100,025
48 Kansas State Big 12 $89,919,822 $83,079,244
49 California Pac-12 $87,500,758 $106,676,734
50 Georgia Tech ACC $85,02,112 $96,334,831

https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances



Interesting that the previous graphic above left out Texas at the top and ALL the SEC programs. Correction: It left out everyone EXCEPT the Big 12 and Big 10. Seems a bit . . . . . . disingenuous?

Probably just an oversight. I'm sure that was accidental. :rolleyes:



Edit: Sorry, I know that's not an easy list to read, but was having trouble copying the graphic from my phone. But if you click on the link above, much easier to read and you can see how all the SEC teams plus Texas and Oklahoma were omitted. As well as every other conference, minus the Big 12 and Big 10.

Revenue, yes, profit no. KU football is not very profitable. KU basketball is very, very profitable.

Did you know this list was only including Big 10 and Big 12 teams when you posted it?

Just curious.

Most of the big revenue schools are not very 'profitable' if you look at the difference between their revenues and expenses. A lot barely even break even.

Expect Texas A&M, which is just killing it since they moved to the SEC. Crazy difference between their total revenues and their expenses. Most profitable program in college sports currently.

That’s now how big biz works, friend.

People kiss and make up all the time if there’s $$$ to be made.

Adidas got us into serious trouble. Then apologized, paid restitution, and re-upped our apparel deal. See? Friends once more!

Over a course of one season at big schools like Texas and A&M I imagine some temporary expenses and AD infrastructure costs can add up, but over a rolling 5 or 10 year period it starts to even out and I would imagine those schools would be profitable as well.

I think Adidas moreso had dirt on us...and would expose us instead of protect us had we not reupped.

If that were true, they wouldn’t have significantly increased the deal.

You'd think they'd have a significantly harder time getting other schools to work with them if it was known they pulled some bullshit like that.

Forget FB. All of KU’s brand value is locked in their hoops program. That’s what other conf will grab us for - if they decide to.


The free market told us this. Kansas has the 4th highest apparel contract per Forbes:

1. UCLA
2. Louisville
3. Tejas
4. Rock Chalk
5. Michigan

ESPN is bi-winning.

They win with the TV contracts. They also win by driving up discussion with the whole "tampering" thing.

LMAO Mickey said "Shut up, bitch, ahuh"

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">ESPN sent a letter to the Big 12 today in response to the cease and desist from the league.<br><br>In short, it says “we did nothing wrong.” <a href="https://t.co/EewMoevgy2">pic.twitter.com/EewMoevgy2</a></p>&mdash; Ross Dellenger (@RossDellenger) <a href="https://twitter.com/RossDellenger/status/1420828908212064258?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 29, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Yeah, Mickey just told Bob to **** off. Lol.


This gonna be good . . . . . .

Gabe DeArmond’s of PowerMizzou latest thoughts.

"we trust this puts this matter to rest" :LOL:

STFU - this is what guilty people say. The remaining B12 is going to own ESPN :evil:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We ride with Bob. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/EMAW?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#EMAW</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/rockchalk?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#rockchalk</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/GoPokes?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#GoPokes</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WreckEm?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WreckEm</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CyclONEnation?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CyclONEnation</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/GoFrogs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#GoFrogs</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/HailWV?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#HailWV</a> <a href="https://t.co/hqE0nJ0Ci9">pic.twitter.com/hqE0nJ0Ci9</a></p>&mdash; _33 (@33KSU) <a href="https://twitter.com/33KSU/status/1420829963914199044?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 29, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Kansas could end up in a lesser conference. If that happens, should <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Mizzou?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Mizzou</a> ostensibly help the Jayhawks by playing them in basketball, or pull a Bill Self and tell them to pound sand?<a href="https://t.co/CDIbNbEVbt">https://t.co/CDIbNbEVbt</a> <a href="https://t.co/bTl5wHkMdE">pic.twitter.com/bTl5wHkMdE</a></p>&mdash; Locked On Mizzou Podcast (@LockedOnMizzou) <a href="https://twitter.com/LockedOnMizzou/status/1420792254466334723?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 29, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Yup. Theyre a tough out.

Firing Mangino was the worse decision ku has ever made.

MIZ! FKU!

Looks like it’s going to happen.

RIP Big XII

How long before the rest abandon ship? West Virginia seems like a fit for the ACC. The B12’s only hope to survive would be to try to get the top non power five teams like BYU, Boise St, UCF, Cincinnati, etc to join. But they may not want to. I think the acc, big 10, and pac 12 scavenge the remaining schools

They couldn’t sustain enough ticket sales to feed him any longer.

I wonder if the idiots still think this was some kind of negotiating tactic for the big 12 network or whatever. Of course, those people also probably thought SEC schools would vote against the invitations.

We can get Kentucky, Gonzaga, Michigan St, and many more, but how will we survive w/out Mizzou?!?!?