Not sure why the big 12 allowed them so much influence.

You guys sucked Texas cock for decades now and they still left you out in the cold. Shame.

The 25 year run Kansas basketball had, being in league with Texas, was simply glorious. They paid us a shit ton of their (well earned) FB money and we won more games and more NCAAT games than anyone. Their fans are cool, and they’ve got a real “KU vibe” to them that you (frankly) don’t possess.


I wish em well, and the Rump schools should as well. If KSU really thinks about all the subsidies they got from Texas, they’d rename their palatial FB digs “DeLoss Dodds Family Stadiun”

That 25 year success in basketball means so much that KU is about to play in a midcon LMAO

KU fans don't care about football anyway, I mean, not really. If we were MTN WEST for Football and Big East for basketball I wouldn't even care. Big East is a major in bball.

UCONN
Villanova
Georgetown
Marquette
Seton Hall
Xavier

legit basketball conference.

KU is a perfect fit in that conference.

Every game would be on National TV.

Yup. Them strong arming stuff, starting their own channel is why I didn't really blame Nebraska and Mizzou for leaving. Though Nebraska has been pathetic since they left.

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Agreed. That would be a perfect landing spot for KU if the B1G doesn't come calling.

This is your high point as a Nebraska fan in the last 15 years. Lulz.

No. ACC is perfect

And that’s where we’re headed.

The Longhorn Network basically de-stabilized the Big 12.

Oklahoma was a member of the Big 8 before the Texas schools joined.

Oklahoma also wasn't the member that basically de-stabilized the conference 10 years ago.

Oklahoma's AD didn't speak down on record about other schools programs, unlike Texas' AD at the time.


Honestly, that would make more sense than the B1G from a market stand point. Reach into the KC market with some STL-neither of which were covered by ACC before.

No Suh and going to 3 conference title games in 4 years was. A coach does that at KU he gets a statue built at Nebraska that gets you fired.

https://www.surlyhorns.com/board/ind...c-in-ms-paint/

Nsfw

SEC nearly completely locked down STL now - to the extent they watch college sports, which is dubious. It’s (1) Cards (2) Cards (3) Blues Hockey (4) Cards and (5) whatever else.


The key to KU-ACC is: National. ESPN research shows big matchups draw more eyeballs than “conference” games. They’re going big. A junior pro model. And they plan to win!

HOLY SHIT ROFL

I'd say St. Louis is split like the following for college sports fandom-mind you I'm throwing numbers out of my ass:

Mizzou 50%
Illinois 30%
Kansas 10%
SLU 5%
Miscellaneous 5% (Arkansas, Kentucky, Indiana, Iowa, Michigan, Oklahoma, etc.)

I don't think Mizzou has as strong of a foothold in interest as some people think in St. Louis. It's by far the most popular collegiate sports fan base in the area, but the other schools still have a decent presence and I don't see the top 2 schools in terms of interest changing any time soon.

For basketball, yes. KU would be a huge draw. I just don't know if that alone offsets how poor of a following (and performance) the football team has.

Granted, Rutgers has also been horribad and has nowhere near a national following in any sport like KU does for the B1G, but they also are able to bring in some of the NYC market.

Of the remaining members of the B12, I'd argue KU is probably the best positioned to find a decent landing spot because of basketball. After that, IDK. Iowa St. and Oklahoma St. are the little siblings of their states, but at least Ok. St. has some semi-balance of historic and current success along with basketball.

Kansas St. has almost no national following what so ever. Tech, Baylor, TCU will probably end up in something like the American, though I'd argue TCU could have an argument for being in a power conference more-so than Tech or Baylor.

I mean if the ACC will have us, thats the money play but man if UK comes along too like you say that's almost too many Blue Bloods in one conference. Duke and UNC will still always be the darlings of that conference.

I do not believe UK has any interest in leaving the SEC currently. Plus, a large draw for recruits coming to UK in football is to play in the SEC. It makes no sense for the school to change affiliations. Alumni would not be happy and I think there's something to be said within the state as to looking down as Louisville as inferior-meaning whatever conference that Louisville is in, by default, is inferior to whatever UK is in because it has Louisville in it.

SEC will generate more revenue than the ACC.

Also, **** Louisville.

ACC makes a lot of sense for Kansas, although it’s going to be a lot tougher sledding there than in the Big XII, and the travel will be rough.

No reason whatsoever for UK to leave the SEC.

I was wondering where THUJONE had run off to

It would be a step down unless the ACC has some clause that would allow them to tear up that TV deal. That's without including the increased travel costs for all sports.

That’s the funniest damn thing I’ve seen in a long time

Uh huh...

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Not currently


Literally nobody cares about Kentucky football.

The only issue to be worked out is getting Vandy and you to walk away from the larger SEC payouts. Not sure it’s workable.

Stoops is pulling in top 30 recruiting classes with a decent amount of his pull coming from Tennessee, Georgia, and Florida along with going toe-to-toe with Ohio St. in Ohio as well as beating Clemson, Ohio St., and Alabama for the best LT prospect in this upcoming recruiting class from just outside of Louisville. Stoops and staff sell their recruits on getting to play in the SEC and being a 6 hour drivable distance from their family.

The university has also invested significantly in improving the program(new training facility, stadium was renovated significantly in the past 10 years, and they invest heavily in Stoops and his staff).

All of that progress would be heavily impacted with going to the ACC.

And there's literally no financial incentive to leave. Kentucky is one of, if not the, highest revenue generating basketball programs in the country. And it's still out earned by football. Moving to the ACC won't change that fact on top of the ACC contract not being nearly as lucrative as the SEC.

Kentucky isn't Kansas. They actually do give a damn about their football program.

Yeah. There's been absolutely zero chatter I've ever seen about Kentucky leaving the SEC, and it doesn't make any sense.

The model Stoops has used at Kentucky is the same one Drinkwitz is now rolling with at Mizzou. Successful so far.

And that's a model where, if you do get the stars to align, you can actually get into the playoff. Just need to have that difference-making QB to pull it all together.

Hasn't Kentucky been going into Ohio and selling the non-Ohio State recruits to come play in the SEC?

Why tho? KY football sucks ass.


504-563 all time - sure sounds a lot like Kansas’ 530-635.


I’m sure some meth’d out hillbillies go to their games. But nobody with a brain cares about any of these bottom feeders.

The difference is that Kentucky within the past 10 years or so has really started to spend money on football dating back to before Stoops(more-so in part of the Rich Brooks era leading into Joker Phillips).

We have a very passionate football base, as passionate as basketball, but not as large.

Kentucky will never be a national power in recruiting, but can be a large one regionally. Stoops is a great coach and I don't think he'd leave anytime soon given his contract structure(it auto-renews if he wins 6 games on top of bonuses for additional wins, bowl games, etc). The pressure is low and as long as the team is bowl eligible with an occasional appearance in Atlanta(that should be a realistic expectation now), the program will be where it should be realistic expectations wise.

If Kentucky is basically what Mizzou was for the majority of Pinkel's tenure, a lot of people will be happy.

Yes. I think Mizzou has a higher ceiling program wise given the in-state recruiting advantages with KC and STL, but very similar overall.

Yes, which is why they're getting recruits.

Stoops is basically doing a better job at recruiting out of Ohio now than when Pinkel was recruiting in Texas for a majority of his time in CoMo. And he's also getting really high ranked (4*) recruits over Ohio St. Him and Vince Marrow are kicking ass there.

Because there's no school in the state that competes with Kentucky historically in terms of popularity. None. Louisville is a joke. They are little brother in the Bluegrass. And no one outside of Louisville cares about them.

Additionally, Kentucky was somewhat decent back in the day before a span of 30 years of being mediocre to bad.

I know some coaches on the Chiefs who care about Kentucky football

Matt House ended up helping Stoops turn the program around tremendously.

He (Stoops) had to take over playcalling from D.J. Elliott(current DC at KU) in 2016 because of how bad the team was performing. Stoops would have likely lost his job during that season.

The two biggest differences between Kansas and Kentucky football currently are the following:
1. Kentucky gave Stoops time to build his program and he's actually started producing results, showing that he's been a decent-to-good hire at Kentucky. And has had better results than any coach since Mangino at Kansas.
2. Kentucky is spending a lot of money on improving the facilities. I'm unsure about if that's the case at KU.

Also, a lot of this has to do with overall stability within the athletic department with Barnhart. I'm unsure if there's any Power 5 school that has had all 3 of their basketball, football coach, and AD in place as long as Kentucky has.

New Conference re-alignment thread
 

I never thought Stoops would turn around UK football but he proved me wrong.

The Mizzou vs Kentucky game should be interesting this season.

He stole coach Klein's playbook

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LMAOLMAOLMAOLMAO

By the way, my Team (K-State) is like 12 shades of ****ed right now. I mean, let's be honest, we were always hanging on and hoping when realignment happened. But now? Yeah, it's over. Quite frankly, I don't think I'll have much passion cheering for my alma mater in a G5 Conference.....at least not in the same capacity that I do today. It sucks, but that's just the route CFB is going.

I don’t like to say anything negative about Snyder but, he did us no favors hanging on too long trying to get an undeserving Sean in the big chair. That time that could have gone towards a new staff getting their program built and looking more desirable. It was going to be difficult regardless but, even more so now.

Couldn't agree more.

As much as I hate this whole thing, that is friggin hilarious

TV is dictating all of this. KSU just doesn’t have a big fan base or any good market. TCU is going to be in the same boat, and they have a really good recent history and the best market imaginable.


It isn’t anything your leaders or coaches could change.

Big 12 going to war with the Mouse.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">or any NCAA conference regarding the Big 12 conference&#39;s members, possible conference realignment or potential financial incentive or outcomes related to possible conference realignment.&quot; More soon on <a href="https://twitter.com/YahooSports?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@YahooSports</a> <a href="https://t.co/HHRW1ZXTPm">https://t.co/HHRW1ZXTPm</a></p>&mdash; Pete Thamel (@PeteThamel) <a href="https://twitter.com/PeteThamel/status/1420492650482970633?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 28, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Cease and desist may mean 2 things: 1) lawsuit coming to recoup losses 2) Big 12 should get prepared for ESPN's wrath (assuming the B12 survives)

This isn't me getting in a pissing match because I know what we are, but ku and isu are in a similar boat with K-State. This is 100% about football and TV Sets and neither of you have either one of those to sell.

Kentucky football being turned around is a stretch…

LMAO Wait, are Kansas fans actually being serious about the ACC? Thought it was pretty much a given that WVU and ND were the two to get them to 16.

Really?

He has tied the school record for consecutive bowl appearances, with a good chance to break it next year.

He ended a historic losing streak to Florida and a long road losing streak to Tennessee.

2018 was the first time since the 1970s that UK had won 5 SEC games in a season. Also the first time they finished with 10 wins since the 1970s.

How is that not turning them around?

ND isn't joining a conference until they have to or lose out on a football playoff, it would be a pay cut for them.

West Virginia has been rejected numerous times by the ACC because their academics are shit.

Well, if ESPN is really the puppet master here they'd probably be willing to throw a **** ton more money towards the ACC to make it worth it for ND.

He's 37-26 in his past 5 seasons (years 4-8 of his program, or second recruiting cycle). That's basically 7.5-4.5 each season, which is pretty good. There's still some upside left in the tank if Stoops can find a way to get better QB play.

They've done a great job building D and running game but have never had a really dynamic QB to take it to the next level and really push Florida and Georgia.

It’s going to be interesting. Obviously the Big12 owns the rights to Texas and Oklahoma until 2025. Everyone assumes this is the last season of Big12 play. But why would the renaming 8 agree to let go of their rights until then? They would have to have new homes before voting dissolving they Big12, and new conferences would have to have their media contracts renegotiated to pay them more than the Big12 was.

It wouldn’t shock me at all of this is the final Big12 season. But the other conferences/media contracts would have to give the remaining 8(or at least 6) a reason to dissolve the Big12.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">.<a href="https://twitter.com/SInow?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@SINow</a> has obtained the cease and desist letter that the Big 12 sent to ESPN.<br><br>In it, commissioner Bob Bowlsby says that ESPN has reached out to at least one of the eight remaining Big 12 members in an attempt to convince the school to leave in wake of the Texas and OU exit. <a href="https://t.co/j50gEBPWBY">pic.twitter.com/j50gEBPWBY</a></p>&mdash; Ross Dellenger (@RossDellenger) <a href="https://twitter.com/RossDellenger/status/1420505265452032014?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 28, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Bowlsby is about to get skull****ed by the boys in Orlando.

LMAO Mickey is ****ing ruthless.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Big 12: ESPN conspired with American to take “3-5” teams to AAC. Story up soon.</p>&mdash; Dennis Dodd (@dennisdoddcbs) <a href="https://twitter.com/dennisdoddcbs/status/1420512136208568324?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 28, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Gonna have to disagree with you there champ.

Bowlsby is going to be flipping burgers in the biggest Entertainment McDonalds in Orlando after Mickey is done with him.

Effectively kills the Big 12 so OU and UT have no exit fees and pulls the rest that can't get new homes into the AAC, which they control 100% of instead of 50% like the Big 12, and positions them as the new 5th best conference. That is some Game of Thrones shit.

Maybe I’m too harsh lol…

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Bowlsby: &quot;It causes me to further suspect they (ESPN) had their hands all over the Texas and Oklahoma move to the SEC. They were was deceptive as you can possibly be. There are right and wrong ways to these things. They sought to deceive us from the very beginning.&quot;</p>&mdash; Ross Dellenger (@RossDellenger) <a href="https://twitter.com/RossDellenger/status/1420516238975975426?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 28, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Bowlsby is Karen asking to speak to the manager while his dumpster fire conference is imploding.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Big 12 is digging in its heels.<br><br>Source within the conference: &quot;It is imperative that the eight of us do not crack and we stay together for the four years and hold OU, Texas and ESPN to the contracts even if it is uncomfortable.&quot;</p>&mdash; Ross Dellenger (@RossDellenger) <a href="https://twitter.com/RossDellenger/status/1420523794158997505?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 28, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I’m not sure you are reading this one correctly. ESPN was colluding to have the B12 dismantled. That’s kind of a big deal. They’re going to owe big time

I have little doubt this actually happened. I have much doubt that the Big 12 could successfully prove it in court.

If they didn't have evidence, they would have not sent a cease and deist letter.

The Big 12 clearly has evidence. This is a potentional breach of contract and tortious interference with a business relationship tort case.

That’ll depend on what level of proof they have. I suspect the evidence is probably pretty good. We shall see…

This certainly got a whole lot more interesting all of a sudden.

I wouldn’t trade places with you.

Hope it's more than a bunch of ESPN reporters speculating about the AAC raiding the Big 12. They successfully hid the UT and OU move for over a year so I doubt they'd slip up significantly enough to screw their plans up now.

Billion dollar contract through 2025.

Nor I with you. But we are, in fact, in similar spots.

Even A&M will vote yes. 14-0.

Kentucky would be a contender for a SECCG in Atlanta of they ever figured out how to do the forward pass.

You’re not wrong.

They were able to tie at Georgia for a half with a WR playing QB in 2019 somehow.

Yeah, Stoops hasn’t really developed a QB. All of his starters were guys he inherited or transfers. He’s had 3 seasons of legitimate passing options at QB(2 years of Johnson, 1 of Wilson).

This year should be better with Allen, Levis, or Gatewood hopefully.

It won’t change the inevitable outcome which is that the Big 12 is dead.

Lol it probably won’t be, but this could be big enough ESPN loses their SEC deal.

I wish anyone luck going up against the Mouse.

I have no idea how this is going to play out for the remaining membership of the B12, but it appears that they may have some additional money to play with.

0 chance.

Think the problem is they have to stay together the full 4 years.