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comochiefsfan 07-26-2021 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 15756099)
No doubt. You Bama fans have it good.

What's that?

Sorry I couldn't hear you over the SEC money printing machine.

I think the AAC has something similar except it shoots out quarters.

FloridaMan88 07-26-2021 04:11 PM

Interesting, from Dennis Dodd:

Link: https://www.cbssports.com/college-fo...ig-12-for-sec/

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Would Kansas be on the Big Ten's short list? Believe it or not, football remains the primary revenue driver at KU. Its languishing football program might be a plus in realignment. Big Ten football is strong enough to absorb a team that would be an automatic W despite it subtracting from overall schedule strength. It would be a no-brainer because Jayhawks basketball is a historically great program.

Al Bundy 07-26-2021 04:22 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Missouri athletics director Jim Sterk is stepping down. More to come</p>&mdash; Dave Matter (@Dave_Matter) <a href="https://twitter.com/Dave_Matter/status/1419784536423022593?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 26, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Titty Meat 07-26-2021 04:24 PM

How many ADs has Mizzou had the last 5 years?

Coach 07-26-2021 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 15756089)
That’s, clearly, not an auto-bid league.

Look, OU and Texas has stated that they will honor the current agreement until it expires (which I don't take it face value anyways).

So hypothetically, given how par the Big 12 have been in their proactiveness and shitty product and if OU and Texas leaves before the 2025 expiration, I would not be surprised if the expectation would be to replace the outgoing two with four schools and have it be 12 programs.

Down side is that it does slicing the revenue 12 different ways. However, an argument can be made that increased inventory would be the compromise to leave the television deal intact for the rest of the rights agreement and not be triggered into a renegotiation.

Another argument is that Houston is the 4th moth populated in the United States. There's untapped viewership right there, especially if Houston can get good.

And these KU fans who are saying they'll be going to the Big10, no. Even if the Big 10 wanted any of the leftovers, the idea that they will want them when they have to buyout is silly, and that'll be a non-starter for them.

These moves are being driven by football, football, football and the only football item KU offers is a FCS level opponent without the stigma of playing an actual FCS opponent. Sure, the basketball team would be a nice pickup for any conference, but again, basketball isn't driving the bus.

What the Big 12 really need to do is get proactive and shop their shit to Amazon or Hulu or Netflix or whatever streaming company will pay. Sure that streaming only will cost us some older viewers, but the possible flip side is that it will probably suck in a lot of younger viewers, particularly cord cutters. That grows the brand in a way, where a normal TV contract cannot.

notorious 07-26-2021 04:36 PM

If this happened 20 years ago I would be upset.

I really don't give a flying **** what happens now.

Chiefspants 07-26-2021 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach (Post 15756135)
Look, OU and Texas has stated that they will honor the current agreement until it expires (which I don't take it face value anyways).

So hypothetically, given how par the Big 12 have been in their proactiveness and shitty product and if OU and Texas leaves before the 2025 expiration, I would not be surprised if the expectation would be to replace the outgoing two with four schools and have it be 12 programs.

Down side is that it does slicing the revenue 12 different ways. However, an argument can be made that increased inventory would be the compromise to leave the television deal intact for the rest of the rights agreement and not be triggered into a renegotiation.

Another argument is that Houston is the 4th moth populated in the United States. There's untapped viewership right there, especially if Houston can get good.

And these KU fans who are saying they'll be going to the Big10, no. Even if the Big 10 wanted any of the leftovers, the idea that they will want them when they have to buyout is silly, and that'll be a non-starter for them.

These moves are being driven by football, football, football and the only football item KU offers is a FCS level opponent without the stigma of playing an actual FCS opponent. Sure, the basketball team would be a nice pickup for any conference, but again, basketball isn't driving the bus.

What the Big 12 really need to do is get proactive and shop their shit to Amazon or Hulu or Netflix or whatever streaming company will pay. Sure that streaming only will cost us some older viewers, but the possible flip side is that it will probably suck in a lot of younger viewers, particularly cord cutters. That grows the brand in a way, where a normal TV contract cannot.

There is no evidence at all that the Big 12 will be proactive about this process in any way. The time to be proactive was in 2010 (expanding to 12 then). But their actions to appease Texas both back then and now (LOL) show they are just going to be reactionary every step of the way until there isn't a conference anymore.

FloridaMan88 07-26-2021 04:56 PM

The boss move for the Big 10 would be to try to add USC, UCLA, Washington, Oregon, Colorado or Kansas, UNC, Duke, Georgia Tech, Virginia, and Notre Dame.

They would create a national conference, dominating most of the major media markets and would stay true to their academic-focused/AAU approach (except for Notre Dame who isn't AAU, but I am sure the Big 10 would make an exception for them).

RustShack 07-26-2021 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 15756157)
There is no evidence at all that the Big 12 will be proactive about this process in anyway. The time to be proactive was in 2010 (expanding to 12 then). But their actions to appease Texas both back then and now (LOL) show they are just going to be reactionary every step of the way until there isn't a conference anymore.

The next domino to fall will likely be pushed by the B1G. They could add 2-6 teams from mostly the PAC maybe 1 or 2 Big12. The rest probably merging together for the weakest conference. Or if they stand pat the PAC and Big12 might try to raid each other and decide which one dies lol

RustShack 07-26-2021 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 15756173)
The boss move for the Big 10 would be to try to add USC, UCLA, Washington, Oregon, Colorado or Kansas, UNC, Duke, Georgia Tech, Virginia, and Notre Dame.

They would create a national conference, dominating most of the major media markets and would stay true to their academic-focused/AAU approach (except for Notre Dame who isn't AAU, but I am sure the Big 10 would make an exception for them).

There won’t be any teams leaving the ACC for like 10 years.

BWillie 07-26-2021 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 15756106)
Interesting, from Dennis Dodd:

Link: https://www.cbssports.com/college-fo...ig-12-for-sec/

Revenue, yes. Profit, no.

Kiimo 07-26-2021 05:16 PM

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Sassy Squatch 07-26-2021 05:23 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">As discussed on Podcast, hearing little to no interest in expansion from Big 10 sources. No need to make a move. There is talk of a scheduling agreement with Pac 12 (rotation of non-con games). No, Ohio State/Michigan aren&#39;t leaving.</p>&mdash; Dan Wetzel (@DanWetzel) <a href="https://twitter.com/DanWetzel/status/1419799748098236416?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 26, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

KChiefs1 07-26-2021 05:35 PM

New Conference re-alignment thread
 
https://www.kansascity.com/sports/sp...253032243.html

‘Mizzou had to take care of Mizzou’:
Why, 10 years later, move to SEC just means more!

BY VAHE GREGORIAN

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Ten years ago next month, then-Mizzou athletic director Mike Alden sat in the stands overlooking Memorial Stadium in a relatively calm moment of the realignment bedlam.

Even with Texas A&M on the brink of leaving the Big 12 for the Southeastern Conference, Alden was asked as he watched a football practice if Missouri officials had been in contact with the SEC. He repeatedly and emphatically said no.

Mere moments later, ESPN’s Doug Gottlieb tweeted that a “high-ranking” source at A&M had confirmed the school indeed was moving on … and that Clemson, Florida State and Missouri also were “likely to join.”

When that was instantly conveyed to Alden, he seemed more perplexed than angry and reiterated, “There’s nothing … No, no, no.”

“It just threw me,” Alden said with a laugh on Monday.


And that was just one glimpse into those hazy, crazy days of mixed-up confusion and shenanigans and doomsday scenarios that loomed large for months and months before MU formally joined the SEC in November 2011.

“You’re worried that you’re going to get left out,” then-Mizzou football coach Gary Pinkel recalled in a phone interview Monday. “Back and forth, and people don’t trust anybody with what’s going on. I just remember it was kind of a scary feeling just because you had no idea (where it would end) … and you could be sitting here left alone with nowhere to go.”

Between Texas running roughshod over the administration of the conference and the final catalyst of then-Oklahoma president David Boren’s infamous “wallflower” remark (we’ll come back to that), any tenuous remaining trust had disintegrated.

So “Mizzou had to take care of Mizzou,” as Pinkel put it.

And did it ever, jumping at a ripe opportunity.

Of course, the move to the SEC continues to present abundant competitive challenges perhaps amplified again on Monday when the university announced that after five years on the job athletic director Jim Sterk would be stepping down once a new leader is found.

But more notably, the move also left MU with a recurring financial windfall, equal representation at the league table and the prevailing sense of a forever home that can be appreciated anew in the wake of recent events:

Oklahoma and Texas’ impending move to the SEC, which, alas, could be a crushing blow to the future of the Big 12 and thus casts Kansas and Kansas State into limbo.

“You would not have known that for sure 9 or 10 years ago, but it certainly shows today that we’re in a much, much more secure place,” said Alden, who retired as MU AD in 2015.

Crediting a cohesive system-wide effort for the shrewd and even vital maneuver, he added, “I’m so glad we’re in such a solid place today and not having to worry about all these other dynamics that are taking place throughout the country.”


To say nothing of the potential dynamics ahead as we’re all left to wonder how much further the SEC aims to take this plan for global domination — just as a 12-team playoff format is on the horizon and with the matter of name, image and likeness resetting the landscape in ways we can’t even project yet.

But whatever the end game is, you can bet the SEC will be, or already is, at the epicenter. That reflects the savvy of commissioner Greg Sankey but also a visionary culture that Alden astutely noted durings MU’s first trip to SEC spring meetings in 2012.

“What I love about it is these schools, they don’t talk about just living in the moment. They talk about what’s good for the league a decade from now, 20 years from now, 30 years from now,” he said then in Destin, Florida. “And I’m not used to that. We’re used to being in reactive mode vs. being in proactive mode. And I don’t say that negatively. That’s a fact.”

And whatever the end game, Pinkel figures the 12-team playoff notion has had an impact on SEC thinking (or, we might wonder, is it the other way around?) … and on OU and Texas wanting in.

Everything from dominance of the competitive landscape to the recruiting advantages entwined with it makes for “stuff starting to add up,” Pinkel said.


Including the ultimate add-up stuff that the last monster wave of realignment taught us with no doubts: Absolutely all of this is about the television rights and money that college football commands.

Oklahoma and Texas are “just on the outside looking in, watching our league,” said Pinkel, who retired in 2015. “And we just signed a million, million, million, billion, billion dollar deal.”

More formally, as The Associated Press put it, “The SEC signed a new $300 million deal with ESPN last year that gives the network rights to all SEC football games starting in 2024 and is expected to bump the conference’s annual distribution to its members to about $68 million. The Big 12 distributed $34.5 million per school recently, down over the previous year because of the pandemic.”

To what degree all of this contradicts the fundamental notion of why our institutions of higher learning exist and even how desirable it is to continue shedding and shredding the traditional rivalries that long have been the pillars of college sport is another topic in itself.

But certainly we know some of the immediate implications and concerns, particularly to Kansas City, to which the Big 12 (and its predecessors) have been crucial.


“If you’re the Big 12 right now, you’re just scrambling,” Pinkel said. Administrators at member schools “have to be just shaking their heads.”

Ten years ago, it would have been head-shaking to picture that the schools whose actions were most responsible for MU’s departure now will essentially be following in its path.

“Maybe we were trendsetters, you know, leaving the Big 12, and maybe that opened the door and gave them courage to try it, too,” Mizzou football coach Eli Drinkwitz playfully said at SEC football media days last week in Alabama.

But Pinkel, who made no secret of his anger with Texas’ domineering ways before MU left, noted that Texas in particular will be ceding something in the SEC.

“When Texas goes into this league, they’re going to be just like everybody else; I guarantee you,” Pinkel said. “You think (Alabama coach) Nick Saban will let them have more of whatever? …


“They’re not going to get a pencil more than anybody else.”

Back in the day, and even in the years since, traditionalists like me lamented the move. And other than the SEC divisional titles Pinkel’s teams won in 2013 and 2014 (making good on the strength of Pinkel’s program that was instrumental in Mizzou being attractive to the SEC), Missouri hasn’t enjoyed much SEC success with its most visible teams.

It might also reasonably be wondered to what degree the impending arrival of OU and Texas contributed to the seemingly sudden change of AD at MU as the bar to compete just got raised and brings new urgency with it.

Just the same, it’s not like MU faces relegation for that.

And it’s easy to see now how much more sound a situation the school is in for having made a move that it came to feel forced to do.

Even given MU’s distrust and resentment of Texas, which Alden said cast a “shadow” over the league that left all with the sense that they weren’t really in it together, even considering the upheaval and uncertainty captured in that August day in Columbia 10 years ago, MU might not have left if not for what came only weeks later.

Days after the nine remaining schools pledged loyalty to the conference mission, Boren blurted out that OU wouldn’t be a “wallflower” in the realignment world.

Less memorably but more to the point, he added that “there is no school in the Big 12 more active than we are now,” in terms of considering a change as new reports suggested Texas, OU, Oklahoma State and Texas Tech were potentially headed to the Pac-12.

“That was a seismic quote,” Alden said, “and really a tipping point for lots of things that took place.”

Most immediately, it led a day later to Alden convening a momentous meeting on the roof of the Memorial Stadium press box as MU was opening the 2011 season with a 17-6 victory over Miami (Ohio) University. Boren’s words were the focus of the gathering among Alden, chancellor Brady Deaton, interim system president Steve Owens and interim general counsel Phil Hoskins, as first reported by PowerMizzou.com and confirmed Monday by Alden.

“The question was then, ‘could we effectively make a go of it with the Big 12?’ ” Deaton told Power Mizzou’s Gabe Dearmond in 2016. “We said, ‘No, we cannot.’ ”

Never mind that MU had played a role in the destabilization of the Big 12 with its overtures to the Big Ten in 2010 after then-commissioner Jim Delany launched the hysteria by saying the conference was exploring expansion. Until Boren’s statement, Mizzou was more likely than not to have stayed.

And because of his statement that suggested the Big 12 was on the verge of its demise, the SEC looked closer at Mizzou.

Behind the scenes, the SEC had been reluctant to consider another Big 12 school after Texas A&M; it didn’t want to be perceived legally or ethically as the reason for the demise of the Big 12 after the league already had lost Colorado and Nebraska in the musical chairs.

Now, that notion seems to just matter less to the league that likes to trumpet that “it just means more” to.

That’s a brutal shame for KU, K-State, Iowa State and the more remote others left to find their way in the Big 12 or elsewhere now.

But it’s to the everlasting credit of Deaton, Alden, Pinkel and MU curators of the time that this new wave and its ripples present no issue for Mizzou.

“As you look back at it now,” Pinkel said, “it’s incredible.”

Eleazar 07-26-2021 07:14 PM

Yeah, you have to give credit where it’s due. It was a forward thinking move that will see Missouri in a power conference when the dust settles, where inaction and believing the smoke the Big XII was blowing at the time would have left us in a bad position. As bad as Alden was, he and the rest of them got this right.

Hoover 07-26-2021 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 15756173)
The boss move for the Big 10 would be to try to add USC, UCLA, Washington, Oregon, Colorado or Kansas, UNC, Duke, Georgia Tech, Virginia, and Notre Dame.

They would create a national conference, dominating most of the major media markets and would stay true to their academic-focused/AAU approach (except for Notre Dame who isn't AAU, but I am sure the Big 10 would make an exception for them).

Bingo

Kiimo 07-26-2021 08:26 PM

No buyout to leave the SEC.

Missouri would never do it but as an AAU school the concept of Kansas and Missouri both going to the B1G is alive

BryanBusby 07-26-2021 08:36 PM

Never ever happening.

They ****ing deserve Nebraska.

Prison Bitch 07-26-2021 09:31 PM

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GloucesterChief 07-26-2021 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 15756176)
The next domino to fall will likely be pushed by the B1G. They could add 2-6 teams from mostly the PAC maybe 1 or 2 Big12. The rest probably merging together for the weakest conference. Or if they stand pat the PAC and Big12 might try to raid each other and decide which one dies lol

Doubtful that any teams move out of the PAC unless it is Utah and Colorado. The California teams will not move unless all of them go.

Not sure the B1G10 would want Cal and Stanford whose fanbases are lukewarm at best.

KChiefs1 07-26-2021 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi (Post 15756603)
No buyout to leave the SEC.

Missouri would never do it but as an AAU school the concept of Kansas and Missouri both going to the B1G is alive


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KChiefs1 07-26-2021 10:30 PM

New Conference re-alignment thread
 
The SEC Athletic:

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HOOVER, Ala. — Before the story broke, before everyone realized the seismic change afoot in the SEC, commissioner Greg Sankey talked with The Athletic at SEC Media Days and spoke informally about future scheduling.

He brought up the 2020 season.

“We had 10 (SEC) games last year,” Sankey said. “But that didn’t motivate anybody to move to 10 games right now.”

OK, so scratch a 10-game league schedule as a possible solution if Texas and Oklahoma come aboard, creating a 16-team SEC. But all other possibilities appear on the table. They have to be when 16 teams are involved. Major college football has only had one other 16-team league in its modern history, and that experiment by the Western Athletic Conference in the late 1990s failed miserably and resulted in a splitting of the conference.

Don’t expect the same mess this time, but there are lessons to be learned.

Even before all this, the SEC was seriously discussing whether to do away with divisions, potentially going to a pod system. They were not seriously considering a nine-game schedule, and it’s not clear whether the addition of Texas and Oklahoma would change that. But whether it’s eight or nine games there are two obvious options for the SEC going forward:

• Two eight-team divisions.

• Ditch divisions and go to pods.

The cleanest, though not flawless, solution is to keep divisions: Texas and Oklahoma are added to the West, shifting Alabama and Auburn to the East, and Missouri — which has more natural rivalries in the West anyway — goes to its rightful destination. The result:

Potential divisions in 16-team SEC:

WEST
LSU
Mississippi State
Ole Miss
Missouri
Arkansas
Oklahoma
Texas
Texas A&M


EAST
Alabama
Auburn
Tennessee
Vanderbilt
Florida
Georgia
Kentucky
South Carolina

The beauty of this is it solves a big hang-up in the SEC’s current scheduling dilemma: Most everyone in the league has wanted to do away with permanent cross-division games, the exceptions being those involved in the two of the biggest ones: Auburn-Georgia and Alabama-Tennessee. Now those would be division games.

The competitive balance also seems fine. The East may seem stronger at the top, but the West has Oklahoma plus two programs that have won national titles this century (LSU and Texas). Maybe that’s not competitive enough for some people — Georgia and Florida can’t love Alabama joining their division — so a more creative division alignment could be attempted. The ACC tried and kept that (Atlantic and Coastal), while the Big Ten tried and scrapped it (Legends and Leaders). That will certainly be discussed, but the West-East solution is most likely … if they keep divisions. And there are problems with doing so.

If the SEC sticks with an eight-game conference schedule, then visits to other league schools would still be relatively rare. You wouldn’t solve the current dilemma, where Georgia has never visited Texas A&M, and Auburn only plays at Florida once a decade, to use two of many examples.

If the SEC goes to nine league games, then it could alleviate that. A player on an East team, if he stays for four years, would be guaranteed to play each West team at least once. But he would still not be guaranteed to visit each West school.

That’s why pods come into play. Something that’s been bandied about — inside and outside the league — for some time and could be even more attractive now, as a way to keep an eight-game conference schedule but also play everyone more regularly.

The idea: Each team has three permanent opponents, maybe four, then rotates the rest of the schedule.

Potential pod alignment in 16-team SEC:

POD A(Traditional rivals)
Florida
Georgia
Kentucky
South Carolina

POD B(Traditional rivals)
Alabama
Auburn
Tennessee
Vanderbilt

POD C(Geography)
LSU
Missouri*
Mississippi State
Ole Miss

POD D(Old SWC)
Arkansas*
Texas A&M
Texas
Oklahoma

*Arkansas and Missouri could be interchanged.

The top two teams would then make the SEC championship. That’s not as clean a way to get there as divisions, because of varying schedules. But it’s not altogether clean now: Remember when Steve Spurrier petitioned the SEC to change its rules because his South Carolina team, which beat Georgia in 2012, still finished a game behind and lost the division race? In the current format, teams that draw Alabama already have a disadvantage over teams that draw Arkansas.

So the pods are a popular idea. And there’s a (somewhat) recent example to draw on.

When the WAC expanded to 16 teams in 1996, adding several Southwest Conference leftovers and other schools, it faced a tall task in putting the puzzle together with teams stretching from Hawaii to Tulsa to Houston. The WAC’s convoluted plan was to split into two eight-team divisions, and within each division were two four-team quadrants based on geography. For scheduling purposes, the divisions would change every two years, pairing two different quads, so everyone would play a home-and-home with each other within six years. The league stayed at eight conference games.

But two years into the experiment, the quad/division system had proven untenable for many members. The WAC planned to vote on permanent divisions in early 1998, scrapping the quads to help with rivalries and travel costs. That created its own problems, as longtime rivals like Colorado State, Wyoming and Air Force faced the potential of being split up and rarely seeing each other. Frustration reached a breaking point, and eight WAC schools opted to break away and form the Mountain West Conference. The WAC had become too big.

“People ask me, why did the WAC fail?” former WAC commissioner Karl Benson said Saturday. “It was the combination of different mission statements from an academic standpoint and more importantly, there wasn’t enough money to satisfy 16 teams.”

Money won’t be a problem in a 16-team SEC.

Money is a major reason it’s on the table. Benson also sees a collection of similar schools in the SEC. Figuring out scheduling will be tough, but it’s easier to get everyone on the same page when the priorities are similar.

KChiefs1 07-26-2021 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 15756129)
How many ADs has Mizzou had the last 5 years?


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Prison Bitch 07-26-2021 10:47 PM

WEST
LSU
Mississippi State
Ole Miss
Missouri
Arkansas
Oklahoma
Texas
Texas A&M




Ferret Field will be insanely nice. Also, half empty when they go 3-9 every year with that slate.

tredadda 07-26-2021 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 15756789)
The SEC Athletic:

Putting Mizzou in Pod D would be nice to see. Puts them back with former Big XII teams and even better, their old Big 8 mate, OU. Texas A&M might not like being paired with UT though.

TomBarndtsTwin 07-26-2021 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 15756806)
Putting Mizzou in Pod D would be nice to see. Puts them back with former Big XII teams and even better, their old Big 8 mate, OU. Texas A&M might not like being paired with UT though.

LOVE the idea of the pod system!

Missouri, Arkansas, Texas, Oklahoma. Geographically makes the most sense. A game with Texas every year helps Mizzou’s recruiting in Texas. Plus renews an old Big 8 rivalry and an old SWC rivalry between Arkansas and Texas.

Stick A&M in a pod with LSU, Ole Miss and Mississippi St. and they’ll be happy.

Everybody wins.

Sassy Squatch 07-27-2021 05:28 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BREAKING?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#BREAKING</a>: On Tuesday morning, <a href="https://twitter.com/TexasLonghorns?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TexasLonghorns</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/UofOklahoma?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@UofOklahoma</a> will formally file a letter with the <a href="https://twitter.com/SEC?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@SEC</a> requesting admission to that conference.</p>&mdash; Jason Whitely (@JasonWhitely) <a href="https://twitter.com/JasonWhitely/status/1419870246538600450?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 27, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

KChiefs1 07-27-2021 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 15756906)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BREAKING?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#BREAKING</a>: On Tuesday morning, <a href="https://twitter.com/TexasLonghorns?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TexasLonghorns</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/UofOklahoma?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@UofOklahoma</a> will formally file a letter with the <a href="https://twitter.com/SEC?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@SEC</a> requesting admission to that conference.</p>— Jason Whitely (@JasonWhitely) <a href="https://twitter.com/JasonWhitely/status/1419870246538600450?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 27, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


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KChiefs1 07-27-2021 06:45 AM

New Conference re-alignment thread
 
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https://sports.yahoo.com/inside-texa...080808048.html

ptlyon 07-27-2021 06:57 AM

Report: Big Ten Only Considering Certain Schools For Expansion
 
https://thespun.com/more/top-stories...ls-certain/amp

TomBarndtsTwin 07-27-2021 09:43 AM

And it's official . . . . . . . . .

Oklahoma Sooners, Texas Longhorns formally notify SEC of membership request for 2025

https://www.espn.com/college-footbal...ership-request

kepp 07-27-2021 09:53 AM

I wonder if there will be negotiations to pull that 2025 date in closer?

WhawhaWhat 07-27-2021 10:10 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Now that Oklahoma &amp; Texas formally sought membership to SEC (&amp; SEC will vote 14-0 to accept the schools) to quote the great Warren Zevon, SEC will now “send their lawyers, guns &amp; money” to get them in league early in 2022</p>&mdash; Brett McMurphy (@Brett_McMurphy) <a href="https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/1420033939729797123?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 27, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

displacedinMN 07-27-2021 10:19 AM

should remame this

conference derailment thread

Sassy Squatch 07-27-2021 10:27 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I&#39;m told Big Ten is so much more interested in AAU schools than Pac-12 is. I&#39;m told Kansas and Iowa State (both AAU members) &quot;made a run at Big Ten, but I don&#39;t know if they&#39;ll get any place,&quot; Big 12 source says.</p>&mdash; Kirk Bohls (@kbohls) <a href="https://twitter.com/kbohls/status/1420042366543613957?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 27, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

BWillie 07-27-2021 10:36 AM

Breaking news: Texas can no longer say they are just Texas and not in "The South". Oklahoma can no longer claim they are in the Midwest and must change the name of Midwest City, OK.

You are all just - THE SOUTH - now.

Prison Bitch 07-27-2021 10:36 AM

Self is 15-6 vs the BIG. And 11 of those games were against the premier schools (Mich St, Mich, Ohio St). He also won the BIG two of his three seasons at IL


#shakingInMyRubySlippers

tredadda 07-27-2021 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 15757293)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I&#39;m told Big Ten is so much more interested in AAU schools than Pac-12 is. I&#39;m told Kansas and Iowa State (both AAU members) &quot;made a run at Big Ten, but I don&#39;t know if they&#39;ll get any place,&quot; Big 12 source says.</p>&mdash; Kirk Bohls (@kbohls) <a href="https://twitter.com/kbohls/status/1420042366543613957?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 27, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

KU will be fine. If the B1G doesn't take them, they almost are guaranteed a seat in the Big East or possibly ACC (if they choose to expand). WVU should also find a home. The other schools might want to look at merging with the Mountain West.

morphius 07-27-2021 10:44 AM

So, I remember hearing a while back that because of a state law both KU and KSU had to be in the same conference. Just somewhat interesting info to toss into the mix.

Hoover 07-27-2021 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 15757293)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I&#39;m told Big Ten is so much more interested in AAU schools than Pac-12 is. I&#39;m told Kansas and Iowa State (both AAU members) &quot;made a run at Big Ten, but I don&#39;t know if they&#39;ll get any place,&quot; Big 12 source says.</p>&mdash; Kirk Bohls (@kbohls) <a href="https://twitter.com/kbohls/status/1420042366543613957?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 27, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Yeah, and there are WAAAAAY more attractive AAU schools to add than Iowa State and Kansas.

The Big 10 already has shown interest in Virginia, and North Carolina.

But they would also be wise to poach the PAC 12 by going after schools like USC, Oregon, Washington, Colorado, and Arizona. If all the California Schools want to move as a block, that works too. Hell it might be easier to just accept the entire PAC 12 and keep it intact as the Pacific Division of the Big Ten.

The big question for me is does the Big 10 want to add eastern schools? There are no brainers like Notre Dame and Clemson, but Florida State would be attractive as well.

After the dust settles, then I think the Big Ten will determine if it makes sense to add Kansas, which I think would be smart. But Iowa State I just can't see what they add to the pot.

Sassy Squatch 07-27-2021 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 15757332)
Yeah, and there are WAAAAAY more attractive AAU schools to add than Iowa State and Kansas.

The Big 10 already has shown interest in Virginia, and North Carolina.

But they would also be wise to poach the PAC 12 by going after schools like USC, Oregon, Washington, Colorado, and Arizona. If all the California Schools want to move as a block, that works too. Hell it might be easier to just accept the entire PAC 12 and keep it intact as the Pacific Division of the Big Ten.

The big question for me is does the Big 10 want to add eastern schools? There are no brainers like Notre Dame and Clemson, but Florida State would be attractive as well.

After the dust settles, then I think the Big Ten will determine if it makes sense to add Kansas, which I think would be smart. But Iowa State I just can't see what they add to the pot.

PAC 12 commissioner was talking about being interested in some kind of scheduling alliance with another conference.

tredadda 07-27-2021 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 15757332)
Yeah, and there are WAAAAAY more attractive AAU schools to add than Iowa State and Kansas.

The Big 10 already has shown interest in Virginia, and North Carolina.

But they would also be wise to poach the PAC 12 by going after schools like USC, Oregon, Washington, Colorado, and Arizona. If all the California Schools want to move as a block, that works too. Hell it might be easier to just accept the entire PAC 12 and keep it intact as the Pacific Division of the Big Ten.

The big question for me is does the Big 10 want to add eastern schools? There are no brainers like Notre Dame and Clemson, but Florida State would be attractive as well.

After the dust settles, then I think the Big Ten will determine if it makes sense to add Kansas, which I think would be smart. But Iowa State I just can't see what they add to the pot.

Why would any PAC 12 school want to join the B1G? I just don't see that even being an option honestly. It's more likely the PAC 12 poaches a remnant from the ashes of the Big 12 if they choose to expand.

Raiderhater 07-27-2021 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat (Post 15757250)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Now that Oklahoma &amp; Texas formally sought membership to SEC (&amp; SEC will vote 14-0 to accept the schools) to quote the great Warren Zevon, SEC will now “send their lawyers, guns &amp; money” to get them in league early in 2022</p>&mdash; Brett McMurphy (@Brett_McMurphy) <a href="https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/1420033939729797123?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 27, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

So aTm is just going to go ahead and go along to get along? If I were them that show of “unity” would come with the price of an agreement that they are in a separate division/pod than UT.

Prison Bitch 07-27-2021 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 15757332)
Yeah, and there are WAAAAAY more attractive AAU schools to add than Iowa State and Kansas.

The Big 10 already has shown interest in Virginia, and North Carolina.

But they would also be wise to poach the PAC 12 by going after schools like USC, Oregon, Washington, Colorado, and Arizona. If all the California Schools want to move as a block, that works too. Hell it might be easier to just accept the entire PAC 12 and keep it intact as the Pacific Division of the Big Ten.

The big question for me is does the Big 10 want to add eastern schools? There are no brainers like Notre Dame and Clemson, but Florida State would be attractive as well.

After the dust settles, then I think the Big Ten will determine if it makes sense to add Kansas, which I think would be smart. But Iowa State I just can't see what they add to the pot.


The BIG and PAC can’t expand because there aren’t any properties that really add more than they’d cost. ACC is locked up for 15 more years (TV rights) and nobody is leaving the SEC. so who’s left?


The only two properties with national followings are: ND football, KU basketball. The BIG has tried to get ND for decades so that’s a lost cause. And KU basketball can’t generate the 55M+ needed to make the BIG whole.

tredadda 07-27-2021 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Raiderhader (Post 15757368)
So aTm is just going to go ahead and go along to get along? If I were them that show of “unity” would come with the price of an agreement that they are in a separate division/pod than UT.

What would be better would be if the SEC let those two join, but to remind UT and OU who the boss is, move them to a separate pod and prevent the yearly Red River Rivalry. It would be the ultimate boss move by the SEC and humbling for those two schools.

ping2000 07-27-2021 11:03 AM

Texas and the rest of the SWC trash schools ruined the Big 8. Now they are ruining the Big 12. **** Texas in the ass.

Discuss Thrower 07-27-2021 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Raiderhader (Post 15757368)
So aTm is just going to go ahead and go along to get along? If I were them that show of “unity” would come with the price of an agreement that they are in a separate division/pod than UT.

aTm, choose-your-UGA/UF, UK, MU, OU, SCAR, UT, Vandy..?

FloridaMan88 07-27-2021 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 15757293)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I&#39;m told Big Ten is so much more interested in AAU schools than Pac-12 is. I&#39;m told Kansas and Iowa State (both AAU members) &quot;made a run at Big Ten, but I don&#39;t know if they&#39;ll get any place,&quot; Big 12 source says.</p>&mdash; Kirk Bohls (@kbohls) <a href="https://twitter.com/kbohls/status/1420042366543613957?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 27, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

The Big 10 is obsessed with AAU membership... EXCEPT when it comes to the one school they most covet, Notre Lame (which isn't AAU).

Hoover 07-27-2021 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 15757350)
Why would any PAC 12 school want to join the B1G? I just don't see that even being an option honestly. It's more likely the PAC 12 poaches a remnant from the ashes of the Big 12 if they choose to expand.

Because the BIG 10 is a bigger money maker than the SEC. Under what I talked about you would have a national conference that includes most of the major TV markets.

Big Ten already provides its schools with 50+ Million a year in funding, and this would make the pot even larger. Plus the Big Ten redoes its TV deal in 2023. Their first up in getting huge media money.

Maybe the PAC 12 can be the third major conference, but right now it looks like its the SEC and Big 10's game, you want to be part of those two conferences.

Eleazar 07-27-2021 11:12 AM

It seems like there will be 3 major conferences when this is over, and the Big XII remnants will be divided up. Maybe ACC takes WV when it’s over, Kansas gets into the Big Ten, and the rest end up divided between PAC, Mountain West, AAU, etc.

Mile High Mania 07-27-2021 11:13 AM

I have not read all of this, so apologies if it's a repeat or has proven to be false.

I am a lifelong Razorback fan, growing up in the old SWC days. I have always wanted a 'home and home' series with Texas. It was a shock when the Hogs left for the SEC and I'm glad they moved.

That being said, I don't think I'm a fan of admitting OU and TX. And, if I read it correctly, it would only take 4 teams voting against it to stop it. Believe that Missouri, A&M and Arkansas would all vote no... leaving just one more team to prevent it.

At the end of the day, the schools will let them in if it means the dollars for their pool increases significantly.

I don't think OU needs any help with recruiting, but joining the SEC won't hurt them aside from being able to lock in the conference title every year. Texas - they certainly need the SEC more than the SEC needs them.

Hoover 07-27-2021 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 15757378)
The BIG and PAC can’t expand because there aren’t any properties that really add more than they’d cost. ACC is locked up for 15 more years (TV rights) and nobody is leaving the SEC. so who’s left?


The only two properties with national followings are: ND football, KU basketball. The BIG has tried to get ND for decades so that’s a lost cause. And KU basketball can’t generate the 55M+ needed to make the BIG whole.

PAC 12 TV deal ends after 2023, a year after the Big Ten's deal. This is why they are the best dancing partner out there.

Plus in terms of why would the PAC 12 want to join the Big Ten. The $32 million the PAC 12 conference distributed to each of its member schools in the 2018-19 academic year was a far cry from what the SEC ($45 million per school) and Big Ten ($55 million) distributed, according to tax records.

Follow the money and you end up in the SEC and Big Ten

tredadda 07-27-2021 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania (Post 15757405)
I have not read all of this, so apologies if it's a repeat or has proven to be false.

I am a lifelong Razorback fan, growing up in the old SWC days. I have always wanted a 'home and home' series with Texas. It was a shock when the Hogs left for the SEC and I'm glad they moved.

That being said, I don't think I'm a fan of admitting OU and TX. And, if I read it correctly, it would only take 4 teams voting against it to stop it. Believe that Missouri, A&M and Arkansas would all vote no... leaving just one more team to prevent it.

At the end of the day, the schools will let them in if it means the dollars for their pool increases significantly.

I don't think OU needs any help with recruiting, but joining the SEC won't hurt them aside from being able to lock in the conference title every year. Texas - they certainly need the SEC more than the SEC needs them.

Doubt Mizzou votes no. No reason for them to say no now that they have a comfortable home in the SEC.

Hoover 07-27-2021 11:27 AM

Nobody is going to turn down what that means to them in terms of money for their programs.

tredadda 07-27-2021 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 15757409)
PAC 12 TV deal ends after 2023, a year after the Big Ten's deal. This is why they are the best dancing partner out there.

Plus in terms of why would the PAC 12 want to join the Big Ten. The $32 million the PAC 12 conference distributed to each of its member schools in the 2018-19 academic year was a far cry from what the SEC ($45 million per school) and Big Ten ($55 million) distributed, according to tax records.

Follow the money and you end up in the SEC and Big Ten

Perhaps, but they have an elite mindset and a lot of those schools don't feel inferior to anyone. I think the B1G has a better chance at poaching the ACC than the PAC 12.

FloridaMan88 07-27-2021 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 15757457)
Perhaps, but they have an elite mindset and a lot of those schools don't feel inferior to anyone. I think the B1G has a better chance at poaching the ACC than the PAC 12.

The ACC has their Grant of Rights media agreement in place until like 2036.

Discuss Thrower 07-27-2021 11:34 AM

I get that it would be logistically impossible to coordinate, but what's the reasoning the big time programs in the Power 5 not leading the charge in breaking off from NCAA oversight especially after NIL rights have been established?

BWillie 07-27-2021 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by ping2000 (Post 15757384)
Texas and the rest of the SWC trash schools ruined the Big 8. Now they are ruining the Big 12. **** Texas in the ass.

To be fair, I doubt the Big 8 could survive in the present climate. It would have been cool though if the Big 8 poached schools from the B1G instead for longevity purposes.

KChiefs1 07-27-2021 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Raiderhader (Post 15757368)
So aTm is just going to go ahead and go along to get along? If I were them that show of “unity” would come with the price of an agreement that they are in a separate division/pod than UT.


That’s how the SEC works.

ping2000 07-27-2021 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 15757487)
To be fair, I doubt the Big 8 could survive in the present climate. It would have been cool though if the Big 8 poached schools from the B1G instead for longevity purposes.

True, but **** Texas in the ass anyway. Bunch of dicks.

displacedinMN 07-27-2021 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 15757307)
Breaking news: Texas can no longer say they are just Texas and not in "The South". Oklahoma can no longer claim they are in the Midwest and must change the name of Midwest City, OK.

You are all just - THE SOUTH - now.

Texas will now have been in both the Southwest and Southeast conference.

You cannot have it both ways.

TribalElder 07-27-2021 12:32 PM

SEC creating a D pod with all the old big12 kids ROFL

east & west was better

displacedinMN 07-27-2021 12:34 PM

I miss big 8 basketball days. Never a dull game.

ChiefsCountry 07-27-2021 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 15757391)
The Big 10 is obsessed with AAU membership... EXCEPT when it comes to the one school they most covet, Notre Lame (which isn't AAU).

Big Ten also has an academic research consortium that is as valuable as the sports side.

FloridaMan88 07-27-2021 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 15757617)
Big Ten also has an academic research consortium that is as valuable as the sports side.

Right but they would discard that AAU requirement in a heartbeat to get Notre Dame, which isn’t an AAU school.

morphius 07-27-2021 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ping2000 (Post 15757548)
True, but **** Texas in the ass anyway. Bunch of dicks.

I'm looking forward to them continuing their fall to mediocrity and losing their special channel.

duncan_idaho 07-27-2021 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania (Post 15757405)
I have not read all of this, so apologies if it's a repeat or has proven to be false.

I am a lifelong Razorback fan, growing up in the old SWC days. I have always wanted a 'home and home' series with Texas. It was a shock when the Hogs left for the SEC and I'm glad they moved.

That being said, I don't think I'm a fan of admitting OU and TX. And, if I read it correctly, it would only take 4 teams voting against it to stop it. Believe that Missouri, A&M and Arkansas would all vote no... leaving just one more team to prevent it.

At the end of the day, the schools will let them in if it means the dollars for their pool increases significantly.

I don't think OU needs any help with recruiting, but joining the SEC won't hurt them aside from being able to lock in the conference title every year. Texas - they certainly need the SEC more than the SEC needs them.

Mizzou isn't voting no. This is a best of both worlds. You get Texas and its prestige and access to the benefits it provides as a conference member... but you get them in a conference that is so big and nasty by itself, it can tell UT to eff off and go away if they don't like things.

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Originally Posted by ping2000 (Post 15757384)
Texas and the rest of the SWC trash schools ruined the Big 8. Now they are ruining the Big 12. **** Texas in the ass.

This is why we left when we could. The Big 12 was never going to be viable because Texas was always going to do this (Just a matter of whether it was SEC, B1G, or PAC). Mizzou jumped to secure a place in what would be one of the survivors of the final round of conference jumping.

I/we took a lot of shit in 2011. But it was all in anticipation of this.

KChiefs1 07-27-2021 01:48 PM

Gabe DeArmond on the Border Patrol.

https://omny.fm/shows/the-border-pat...be-dearmond-19

Hoover 07-27-2021 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 15757487)
To be fair, I doubt the Big 8 could survive in the present climate. It would have been cool though if the Big 8 poached schools from the B1G instead for longevity purposes.

LOL Wut?

Hey, join the Big 12 err 8, and we will promise you less than 30 million annually in media rights money. I know the Big 10 gives you 50 plus, but the 20-25 we offer is good because you can probably also own our asses in football.

MMXcalibur 07-27-2021 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by morphius (Post 15757627)
I'm looking forward to them continuing their fall to mediocrity and losing their special channel.

**** Texas and their goofy channel that only exists so the university can hype up a shitty game vs Rice in early September.

Eleazar 07-27-2021 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 15757648)
Mizzou isn't voting no. This is a best of both worlds. You get Texas and its prestige and access to the benefits it provides as a conference member... but you get them in a conference that is so big and nasty by itself, it can tell UT to eff off and go away if they don't like things.



This is why we left when we could. The Big 12 was never going to be viable because Texas was always going to do this (Just a matter of whether it was SEC, B1G, or PAC). Mizzou jumped to secure a place in what would be one of the survivors of the final round of conference jumping.

I/we took a lot of shit in 2011. But it was all in anticipation of this.

Exactly.

All the talk from the Big XII at the time was “The Big XII isn’t unstable. Texas and Oklahoma aren’t going anywhere. The Big XII is going to expand and get a tv network that will bring in huge revenues too. Everything is fine.” It was forward-thinking of the four schools that left to make sure they got off that train before the last stop.

If Mizzou had stayed on the basis of that nonsense, as well as the loyalty and tradition nonsense Beebe and others were blowing, where would we find ourselves today, especially with both the football and basketball programs down right now? Not a pleasant thought.

Leaving our fate in the hands of UT and OU, and their puppets running the Big XII would have been utterly foolish, and it’s been proved out now.

Mile High Mania 07-27-2021 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by displacedinMN (Post 15757605)
Texas will now have been in both the Southwest and Southeast conference.

You cannot have it both ways.

Well, Texas is definitely 'south' and when you look at a map, it's essentially equidistant to either coast.

Titty Meat 07-27-2021 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 15757648)
Mizzou isn't voting no. This is a best of both worlds. You get Texas and its prestige and access to the benefits it provides as a conference member... but you get them in a conference that is so big and nasty by itself, it can tell UT to eff off and go away if they don't like things.



This is why we left when we could. The Big 12 was never going to be viable because Texas was always going to do this (Just a matter of whether it was SEC, B1G, or PAC). Mizzou jumped to secure a place in what would be one of the survivors of the final round of conference jumping.

I/we took a lot of shit in 2011. But it was all in anticipation of this.

Yeah remember Nebraska left because they couldnt beat Texas

Prison Bitch 07-27-2021 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by MMXcalibur (Post 15757877)
**** Texas and their goofy channel that only exists so the university can hype up a shitty game vs Rice in early September.


Why do people bash Tex but not OU? They’re both moving. Why is one worst than the other? Never understood the hate for either, they’re simply doing what any of the Rump schools they ditched would do.

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Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 15757910)
Yeah remember Nebraska left because they couldnt beat Texas

I remember Nubs blaming Texas for removing the partial qualifiers which wrecked your program. A situation that hasn’t improved in your new digs and likely never will.

Pants 07-27-2021 02:58 PM

I don't see B1G wanting Kansas.

I think the most likely scenario is the BIG 12 trying to add some more schools and crossing their fingers they remain a P5 conference.

tredadda 07-27-2021 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Pants (Post 15757994)
I don't see B1G wanting Kansas.

I think the most likely scenario is the BIG 12 trying to add some more schools and crossing their fingers they remain a P5 conference.

Unless thrown a bone I can't see how they remain a P5 conference from a football perspective. Just no elite FB programs left after UT and OU depart.

tredadda 07-27-2021 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 15757986)
Why do people bash Tex but not OU? They’re both moving. Why is one worst than the other? Never understood the hate for either, they’re simply doing what any of the Rump schools they ditched would do.



I remember Nubs blaming Texas for removing the partial qualifiers which wrecked your program. A situation that hasn’t improved in your new digs and likely never will.

UT's driving this train for sure. Pretty sure OU would not be moving if not for UT. The fact Texas was the main culprit behind the destruction of the SWC and now possibly the Big 12, they deserve more anger. Not blaming them from doing what they feel is best for their program, but I can see why others would be angry.

Pants 07-27-2021 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 15758068)
Unless thrown a bone I can't see how they remain a P5 conference from a football perspective. Just no elite FB programs left after UT and OU depart.

UT hasn't been an elite program for a decade.

OU, Oklahoma State, Baylor, WVU, and TCU have had years when they were elite during that time span.

tredadda 07-27-2021 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Pants (Post 15758085)
UT hasn't been an elite program for a decade.

OU, Oklahoma State, Baylor, WVU, and TCU have had years when they were elite during that time span.

True on all, but Texas and Oklahoma have enough pull to keep that conference as a P5. No other program in that league can do that. Perhaps some could go to the AAC and give them the bump needed to replace the Big 12 as a P5.

Prison Bitch 07-27-2021 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 15758077)
UT's driving this train for sure. Pretty sure OU would not be moving if not for UT.

If you’re sure, let’s see your evidence.



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The fact Texas was the main culprit behind the destruction of the SWC and now possibly the Big 12, they deserve more anger. Not blaming them from doing what they feel is best for their program, but I can see why others would be angry.

Arkansas bailed on the SWC. Blame them. And anyway, things happening 30 years ago in a completely diff industry really have zero bearing on today.


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