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George Liquor 07-25-2021 04:42 PM

Mizzou fans are still lashing out at KU for getting knocked down a couple more pegs in the SEC pecking order?

At least you'll always have your chant.

Prison Bitch 07-25-2021 04:46 PM

I’m not a conspiracy theorist or anything.

But yeah, I am with Chris Beard taking the Texas job riiiight before this all broke.

They absolutely tipped him off.

RustShack 07-25-2021 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 15754581)
I’m not a conspiracy theorist or anything.

But yeah, I am with Chris Beard taking the Texas job riiiight before this all broke.

They absolutely tipped him off.

I mean he grew up a Texas fan, went to Texas for college, and Texas has better resources. Maybe they reached out to him and he was one of the few in the know but I doubt it. They obviously didn’t leak this information to many people.

RaidersOftheCellar 07-25-2021 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jerm (Post 15754514)
Again what move in any conference realignment has been made because of a basketball program? That isn’t even hating on KU, it’s just the truth.

If anything, you’re overrating how much a basketball program means in the grand scheme of things when it comes to realignment.

It’s down to football, TV markets, and AAU status. Nothing else matters.

If this is true, why is the B1G talking to KU as we speak? What would there be to discuss?

Sassy Squatch 07-25-2021 05:19 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Kansas and the Big Ten did not set up a call as previously rumored, <a href="https://twitter.com/bmarcello?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@bmarcello</a> reports:<a href="https://t.co/LfohwUL5tt">https://t.co/LfohwUL5tt</a> <a href="https://t.co/XcZaqzLowl">pic.twitter.com/XcZaqzLowl</a></p>&mdash; 247Sports (@247Sports) <a href="https://twitter.com/247Sports/status/1419122832492072960?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 25, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

RustShack 07-25-2021 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar (Post 15754608)
If this is true, why is the B1G talking to KU as we speak? What would there be to discuss?

I don’t think the B1G called KU. Especially since Oklahoma and Texas haven’t formally informed the Big12. But I’d be shocked if Kansas and everyone else hasn’t reached out to the B1G through back channels.

Titty Meat 07-25-2021 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 15754581)
I’m not a conspiracy theorist or anything.

But yeah, I am with Chris Beard taking the Texas job riiiight before this all broke.

They absolutely tipped him off.

Yeah no way a guy who went to Texas would go back there and make even more money

RustShack 07-25-2021 05:30 PM

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E7LbVeHWQAMzDXN.jpg

Jerm 07-25-2021 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar (Post 15754608)
If this is true, why is the B1G talking to KU as we speak? What would there be to discuss?

Uh they aren’t but anyways I don’t know why you’re questioning me, it’s a done deal I thought? Remember?

Quote:

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar (Post 15752743)
I'm hearing that a move to the B1G is already informally agreed upon.


Prison Bitch 07-25-2021 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 15754623)
Yeah no way a guy who went to Texas would go back there and make even more money

Moves within a conf are nearly unheard of

Kiimo 07-25-2021 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 15754614)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Kansas and the Big Ten did not set up a call as previously rumored, <a href="https://twitter.com/bmarcello?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@bmarcello</a> reports:<a href="https://t.co/LfohwUL5tt">https://t.co/LfohwUL5tt</a> <a href="https://t.co/XcZaqzLowl">pic.twitter.com/XcZaqzLowl</a></p>&mdash; 247Sports (@247Sports) <a href="https://twitter.com/247Sports/status/1419122832492072960?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 25, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

You should post the rest where the call was re-scheduled so KU doesn't get in trouble before UT and OU officially announce *wink wink*

RustShack 07-25-2021 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 15754651)
Moves within a conf are nearly unheard of

Is there a penalty for him going to the school he wants to be at, pays more money, has the bigger brand by miles, and better facilities/resources? I would see your point if the roles were reversed. But you’re clinging to conspiracy pretty tight here.

Kiimo 07-25-2021 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jerm (Post 15754514)
Again what move in any conference realignment has been made because of a basketball program? That isn’t even hating on KU, it’s just the truth.

If anything, you’re overrating how much a basketball program means in the grand scheme of things when it comes to realignment.

It’s down to football, TV markets, and AAU status. Nothing else matters.

There is a lot of talk apparently that a potential split from the NCAA would open avenues to monetize basketball much better than in the past.

Also KU generated millions more than Rutgers and that's with the football team being historically low, it's basically only up from here. The future of Kansas is growth and that's why they'd be valuable.

Having KU basketball in the Big 10 makes them a legitimate basketball powerhouse second only to the ACC.

KChiefs1 07-25-2021 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar (Post 15754608)
If this is true, why is the B1G talking to KU as we speak? What would there be to discuss?


It’s going to be hilarious when the B1G let’s KU join for a minor membership getting 1/2 of what Michigan & the Ohio State get. I’m not sure they’ll get as much as Nebraska.

KChiefs1 07-25-2021 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 15754614)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Kansas and the Big Ten did not set up a call as previously rumored, <a href="https://twitter.com/bmarcello?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@bmarcello</a> reports:<a href="https://t.co/LfohwUL5tt">https://t.co/LfohwUL5tt</a> <a href="https://t.co/XcZaqzLowl">pic.twitter.com/XcZaqzLowl</a></p>— 247Sports (@247Sports) <a href="https://twitter.com/247Sports/status/1419122832492072960?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 25, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


Uh oh.

Bowser 07-25-2021 09:31 PM

Everybody is partying in this thread like it's 2008, lol

Prison Bitch 07-25-2021 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 15754571)
The bulk of the rumors seem to be-

KU and Iowa State to the B1G

KSU, Okie, Tech, and ISU to the PAC.

Obviously Iowa State can’t join both lol.

West Virginia to ACC

Then there’s talk of the PAC just taking all the leftovers and going to 20.



Nobody is “rumoring” this outside of you.

Eleazar 07-25-2021 10:39 PM

Why would the B1G want Iowa State? Especially when they’ve already got Iowa.

Prison Bitch 07-25-2021 11:35 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Iowa state trying to get in the big ten <a href="https://t.co/sWDkyVtLPf">pic.twitter.com/sWDkyVtLPf</a></p>&mdash; BoxOfHawks (@BoxofrocksIA) <a href="https://twitter.com/BoxofrocksIA/status/1418392174673211395?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 23, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

ChiefsHawk 07-26-2021 05:42 AM

The only ones discussing isu to the B1G are isu homers who have no clue what is actually happening.

Eleazar 07-26-2021 08:24 AM

Right. I get the humor of the Big 12 folks dumping on the B1G all the time and overnight becoming desperate to get into it, but ISU doesn’t expand their footprint, doesn't add any major media market, doesn’t add to their football credibility, and probably doesn’t compare to other rumored possibilities like schools currently in the ACC if non-football athletics are considered. I’m not slagging ISU, I just don’t see how it makes any sense at all.

Sassy Squatch 07-26-2021 08:32 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Oklahoma &amp; Texas make it official: they’re leaving conference &amp; expected to apply for SEC membership <a href="https://t.co/65h35M18OF">pic.twitter.com/65h35M18OF</a></p>&mdash; Brett McMurphy (@Brett_McMurphy) <a href="https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/1419663733828243457?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 26, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

duncan_idaho 07-26-2021 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eleazar (Post 15755138)
Right. I get the humor of the Big 12 folks dumping on the B1G all the time and overnight becoming desperate to get into it, but ISU doesn’t expand their footprint, doesn't add any major media market, doesn’t add to their football credibility, and probably doesn’t compare to other rumored possibilities like schools currently in the ACC if non-football athletics are considered. I’m not slagging ISU, I just don’t see how it makes any sense at all.


Good point I saw made by Gabe DeArmond this morning:

For the B1G schools to break even financially, the new schools would need to add $60M of value to the league’s payouts.

Unless the big leagues decide to break away from the NCAA right now, the B1G may stay out. PAC and ACC should be aggressive.

KU to the ACC might make a lot of sense, even right now. They probably need another National brand more than the B1G does.

Eleazar 07-26-2021 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 15755158)
Good point I saw made by Gabe DeArmond this morning:

For the B1G schools to break even financially, the new schools would need to add $60M of value to the league’s payouts.

Unless the big leagues decide to break away from the NCAA right now, the B1G may stay out. PAC and ACC should be aggressive.

KU to the ACC might make a lot of sense, even right now. They probably need another National brand more than the B1G does.

Travel would be rough in the ACC but it makes a lot of sense otherwise. It would be the conference to watch in January and February.

TribalElder 07-26-2021 09:03 AM

Wow, what a difficult place to be for all the leftover Big12 members

The uncertainty would suck, knowing that no matter what things are likely going to get much worse for you. ouch

Sassy Squatch 07-26-2021 09:14 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Heard today from several people that B1G only would be interested in adding schools from the AAU (Nebraska no longer, but was when it joined league). Texas is AAU member, along with Pac-12 schools like Cal, Washington, Colorado, USC, UCLA, Oregon, Stanford. Oklahoma is not AAU.</p>&mdash; Adam Rittenberg (@ESPNRittenberg) <a href="https://twitter.com/ESPNRittenberg/status/1419669676485918725?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 26, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Prison Bitch 07-26-2021 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TribalElder (Post 15755186)
Wow, what a difficult place to be for all the leftover Big12 members

The uncertainty would suck, knowing that no matter what things are likely going to get much worse for you. ouch


My prof in grad school used to day: “Your first option in any decision is to do nothing”. People often forget that.

Applying it to the B12 rump....what does do-nothing look like? If I read this right, there’s 3 years left on that zombie TV deal OU and Tex just walked away from. So $350M split 8 ways now = $40m+ in the short run.

I believe that gives them 3 years to figure out a plan. Not 3 days.

ChiefBlueCFC 07-26-2021 09:20 AM

If I'm the B1G, I only want ku basketball, all other sports - hard pass

sedated 07-26-2021 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 15755204)
My prof in grad school used to day: “Your first option in any decision is to do nothing”. People often forget that.

Applying it to the B12 rump....what does do-nothing look like? If I read this right, there’s 3 years left on that zombie TV deal OU and Tex just walked away from. So $350M split 8 ways now = $40m+ in the short run.

I believe that gives them 3 years to figure out a plan. Not 3 days.

From what I've heard, that contract can be renegotiated if any schools leave the conference

KChiefs1 07-26-2021 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 15755158)
Unless the big leagues decide to break away from the NCAA right now, the B1G may stay out. PAC and ACC should be aggressive.

KU to the ACC might make a lot of sense, even right now. They probably need another National brand more than the B1G does.

What about the Big East? Isn’t that more a basketball conference?

KChiefs1 07-26-2021 10:02 AM

Gave DeArmond’s thoughts are exactly like mine. From PowerMizzou:

Quote:

1) I find myself this morning harkening back to simpler times. Times when the SEC had 14 teams, Texas and Oklahoma ran the Big 12 and college athletes played for the love of the game and didn't demand any of the millions of dollars they produced by playing football. It was a month ago. By August 1, Name, Image and Likeness will be a month old. Texas and Oklahoma will likely have informed the Big 12 they are done playing in the Big 12 (by 2025 at the latest, but in all likelihood a fair amount sooner) and the SEC will be on the verge of becoming college sports' version of the Death Star. I don't think it's overstating it to say that this month may end up being the most transformative month in the history of college sports. Whether you think the changes are good, bad or a little bit of both, there is no denying that what happens in July of 2021 will completely change the face of college football, and as a result, all of college sports, like few other months ever have.

That said, God do I love conference realignment. I've been checking various message boards every few minutes since Wednesday afternoon. If it was a drug, I'd be a full blown addict. I would empty my bank accounts to follow it. I love it all. It's been way too long since it's been a part of my life. Everything else is secondary for me these days.

Hoover 07-26-2021 10:08 AM

Great read on what the Big 10 should do in the Athletic

https://theathletic.com/2729861/2021...shared_article

BWillie 07-26-2021 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eleazar (Post 15754932)
Why would the B1G want Iowa State? Especially when they’ve already got Iowa.

I don't quite get it either. Yeah, they are in the AAC or whatever for academics but ISU brings you no more eyeballs. Iowa owns every single market in Iowa, even Des Moines. Bringing ISU does nothing.

Mtn West time clones. You could always go to the Missouri Valley. That would be a fit geographically and then they play rival Drake.

BWillie 07-26-2021 10:32 AM

I have an idea. Make a new conference. Call it Midwest AF. Claim the AF doesn't mean AF, but we all know it really does.

Kansas
Nebraska
Minnesota
Iowa
Oklahoma State
Illinois
Ohio State
Michigan
Michigan State
Missouri
Kansas State
Wisconsin
Indiana
Penn State
Purdue
Oklahoma

No Texas. No Rutgers. No Northwestern or Baylors. Real state schools. Geographical footprint and pride. Leave Texas out to dry.

KChiefs1 07-26-2021 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 15755322)
Great read on what the Big 10 should do in the Athletic

https://theathletic.com/2729861/2021...shared_article


The travel costs would be enormous.

KChiefs1 07-26-2021 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 15755403)
I have an idea. Make a new conference. Call it Midwest AF. Claim the AF doesn't mean AF, but we all know it really does.

Kansas
Nebraska
Minnesota
Iowa
Oklahoma State
Illinois
Ohio State
Michigan
Michigan State
Missouri
Kansas State
Wisconsin
Indiana
Penn State
Purdue
Oklahoma

No Texas. No Rutgers. No Northwestern or Baylors. Real state schools. Geographical footprint and pride. Leave Texas out to dry.


No way Mizzou leaves the SEC.

KChiefs1 07-26-2021 10:39 AM

Also one of Gabe’s thoughts.

Instead of pods & go with 8 team team divisions.

EAST:
Alabama
Auburn
Georgia
Florida
Tennessee
South Carolina
Vanderbilt
Kentucky


WEST:
Mizzou
LSU
Arkansas
Oklahoma
Texas
Texas A&M
Ole Miss
Mississippi State

Sassy Squatch 07-26-2021 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 15755422)
Also one of Gabe’s thoughts.

Instead of pods & go with 8 team team divisions.

EAST:
Alabama
Auburn
Georgia
Florida
Tennessee
South Carolina
Vanderbilt
Kentucky


WEST:
Mizzou
LSU
Arkansas
Oklahoma
Texas
Texas A&M
Ole Miss
Mississippi State

Been seeing that idea all over the place, and for good reason.

Sassy Squatch 07-26-2021 10:43 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SEC?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SEC</a> source: “The expectation” is for Texas and OU to play in SEC in 2022. <br><br>Last expansion:<br>— Texas A&amp;M invited Sept 2011.<br>— Missouri invited November 2011<br>— Both played in SEC in 2012. <a href="https://t.co/uAp4P3V1hA">https://t.co/uAp4P3V1hA</a></p>&mdash; Matt Hayes (@MattHayesCFB) <a href="https://twitter.com/MattHayesCFB/status/1419693456365064194?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 26, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

FloridaMan88 07-26-2021 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 15755432)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SEC?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SEC</a> source: “The expectation” is for Texas and OU to play in SEC in 2022. <br><br>Last expansion:<br>— Texas A&amp;M invited Sept 2011.<br>— Missouri invited November 2011<br>— Both played in SEC in 2012. <a href="https://t.co/uAp4P3V1hA">https://t.co/uAp4P3V1hA</a></p>&mdash; Matt Hayes (@MattHayesCFB) <a href="https://twitter.com/MattHayesCFB/status/1419693456365064194?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 26, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Texas A&M and Mizzou didn't have the Grant of Rights issue though.

Dante84 07-26-2021 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 15755403)
I have an idea. Make a new conference. Call it Midwest AF. Claim the AF doesn't mean AF, but we all know it really does.

Kansas
Nebraska
Minnesota
Iowa
Oklahoma State
Illinois
Ohio State
Michigan
Michigan State
Missouri
Kansas State
Wisconsin
Indiana
Penn State
Purdue
Oklahoma
+ Baylor
+ Iowa State

No way Oklahoma doesn't go to the SEC after pulling this stunt, and no way Mizzou leaves the SEC.

Add in the Baylor & Iowa State combo, and that might be something.

Eleazar 07-26-2021 10:55 AM

So how long until the four major conferences tell the NCAA that they are leaving?

kcclone 07-26-2021 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eleazar (Post 15755448)
So how long until the four major conferences tell the NCAA that they are leaving?

Shouldn't be long now. I'm sure that's been well planned out since the NIL has been coming down the pike.

KChiefs1 07-26-2021 11:19 AM

Of all the colorful words and descriptions used to sum up Texas and Oklahoma within Big 12 circles over the past six days, here’s a creative one offered by an administrator: arsonists.

“They set the house on fire,” he said, “knowing there were eight of us in it.”

Prison Bitch 07-26-2021 11:19 AM

He sad





<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Following is a complete list of all the programs that have had more success after leaving <a href="https://twitter.com/Big12Conference?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Big12Conference</a>. <br>1.__________<br>2.__________<br>3.__________<br>4.__________<br> <br>The list is identical for fans that have enjoyed it more.</p>&mdash; kevin kietzman (@kkhasissues) <a href="https://twitter.com/kkhasissues/status/1417973350564089859?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 21, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Prison Bitch 07-26-2021 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefBlueCFC (Post 15755206)
If I'm the B1G, I only want ku basketball, all other sports - hard pass


BIG needs Kansas basketball more than Kansas basketball needs the BIG. There’s literally zero basketball benefit to us playing a BIG schedule. They’d benefit far more, esp with all that wintertime TV inventory.

So, something like paying KU $30m per year in exchange for us to play with you hoops only. Sounds about where it would land.

TribalElder 07-26-2021 11:29 AM

KK is a ****ing idiot ROFL

Eleazar 07-26-2021 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 15755501)
He sad





<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Following is a complete list of all the programs that have had more success after leaving <a href="https://twitter.com/Big12Conference?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Big12Conference</a>. <br>1.__________<br>2.__________<br>3.__________<br>4.__________<br> <br>The list is identical for fans that have enjoyed it more.</p>&mdash; kevin kietzman (@kkhasissues) <a href="https://twitter.com/kkhasissues/status/1417973350564089859?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 21, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

That much is true, but will anyone be saying that in two or three years, when the schools that left will still be in major conferences in whatever is going to replace the NCAA, and not out in the cold?

Like Nebraska will wish they were still in the… wherever the Big 12 remnants like KSU end up?

KChiefs1 07-26-2021 11:40 AM

New Conference re-alignment thread
 
The Athletic:

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As for the Big 12’s eight remaining schools, what future awaits them? They can stay to fight the fire. Or they can choose to run like hell.

The fate of the conference comes down to an element that has been historically elusive over its 26-year existence, something its two powerhouses just shattered:

trust

Can these eight schools stick together and operate with a shared belief that staying aligned puts more options on the table? Or does self-interest eventually win out, leading them to go off on their own and do whatever they can to find a secure new home?

The every-man-for-himself mentality is understandable. The decision-makers at Baylor, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, TCU, Texas Tech and West Virginia must feel a sense of urgency to establish an escape plan as fast as possible in case the conference collapses. Their nervous fan bases expect bold leadership. Their board members will apply pressure. These athletic directors have to do their job and see what’s out there. The potential cost of inaction is legitimately scary.

But sources inside and outside the Big 12 agree the more prudent course of action for these schools, at least right now, is banding together and focusing their efforts on plotting a path to long-term survival for their Power 5 league.

In their first substantive discussions about moving forward without Texas and Oklahoma last Thursday night, Big 12 presidents and ADs agreed on that imperative. The hard question is knowing how many of them meant it. Can they maintain confidence in each other amid the flurry of rumors and dubious reports about certain Big 12 schools engaging in talks with other conferences?

“The thing we have to do as a league,” one source argued, “is the eight of us have to not panic when we see these rumors. We have to just do everything we can to stick together and go at this collectively as best we can.”

If they can do that, they can rebuild their scorched house. They can pursue expansion and work to reach consensus on the right combination of two, four or maybe even more new members to help resolve the massive vacancy created whenever Oklahoma and Texas do leave. If they can make the right moves, sources hope that could ideally keep them in ACC territory when it’s time for their new TV deal in 2025. The ACC distributed more than $30 million to each of its members in 2019-20, with about $23.8 million coming from TV revenue. Big 12 schools each received $37.7 million for that year plus their third-tier rights revenue. Others believe that’s far too optimistic an aim given what they’re losing.

The Big 12 could go in a few directions to expand, but beyond making an appeal to Arizona and Arizona State to leave the Pac-12, there are few clear Power 5 options to poach. There are plenty of candidates worthy of consideration in the AAC, starting with UCF, USF, Cincinnati and Houston. It’s too early to know what criteria will matter most to commissioner Bob Bowlsby and the league’s board of directors, but the usual factors — alumni base, market size, football competitiveness — are a safe bet.

Presidents and chancellors tend to want prestige and research institutions in these situations. They didn’t seem to take these Group of 5 schools seriously in 2016. They don’t have the luxury of being overly picky anymore, not as they fight for survival. Those four schools would add value, and there are many more out there worth exploring. If you grant them the opportunity and the resources of a Big 12 school, recent history suggests they’ll evolve and succeed. Just ask TCU.

But there are other ways. The Big 12 could pursue more creative solutions, like a Pac-12 scheduling alliance. Less likely would be a merger with that league, sources say, but ADs in the conference are throwing around all sorts of ideas these days in search of smart solutions to their predicament.

By sticking together, they can also enjoy the substantial sums of money Texas and Oklahoma will owe and the revenue shares those two won’t receive. Big 12 sources still firmly believe Texas and Oklahoma aren’t leaving until 2023 at the earliest. There’s no point in projecting how the exit negotiations will play out, but as one source reminded, “It’s gonna cost them a shit ton of money.”

And if the rest choose to stay together, they should be able to retain the Big 12’s Autonomy 5 status in a time of intense unpredictability for the future of college athletics. You don’t want to be on the wrong side of that divide. The AAC aiming to add Big 12 members is an admirable ambition. Their revenue payout to their football members for 2019-2020 averaged just under $5 million. It’s hard to imagine any current Big 12 member can get by on that kind of money, not without drastically slashing budgets and staff.

Beyond that, who besides Texas and Oklahoma can even afford to break the Big 12 grant of rights contract and pay massive financial penalties? “You can’t rush and make stupid moves along the way,” one source said. So the view inside the Big 12 is, while they’re not going to sit back idly, they have time to solve these problems before 2025. But not without cooperation.

“It’s not like there’s infighting among these eight,” one source said. “But I’m not saying in six months that might not become an issue.”

These presidents and ADs surely won’t wait that long to explore alternatives. But they’re probably not going to be thrilled by what they find out. What value would these remaining schools bring to the Pac-12, Big Ten or ACC? That’s a tough question that will seriously test whether internal perception is in line with reality.

West Virginia pursuing a more natural fit and trying to get into the ACC would certainly make sense. There’s an argument to be made that the rest should throw themselves at the ACC and Pac-12, pitching the value of planting their flag in the Texas market. The ACC is incentivized to make a move that lets them reopen the 20-year deal with ESPN that threatens to create a serious financial gap for the conference.

At the moment, though, industry sources believe the Big Ten is skeptical of the value these remaining Big 12 schools provide or that their presidents would consider them academically suitable institutions. There’s already a fear among the remaining schools, too, that the Pac-12 won’t look to add them either due to similar academic standards.

That’s not to say those conferences can’t change their stance in the months and years ahead. Maybe the threat of the SEC becoming even more powerful does set off a domino effect of some kind for their anxious Power 5 peers. But if those conferences don’t wish to step in to rescue these Big 12 members beyond the logical West Virginia-ACC pairing, that puts them in a desperate position.

They’re going to have to fight an underlying fear, too, at least in football: If the Big 12 does stay intact and calls up a few Group of 5 schools, will it be good enough? The hard thing will be anticipating and confronting how much they will have lost in terms of reputation, respect and revenue once Oklahoma and Texas are officially gone. Sure, the conference can gain some of it back by getting its champion into 12-team College Football Playoff fields and winning on that stage. But it’s difficult to forecast things like how much the next TV deal truly sets them back or how recruits will perceive this new-look league.

So suppose TCU has an opportunity in the Pac-12 or the Big Ten becomes enamored with Kansas basketball. Can any of these schools really afford to say no? This tricky dynamic is sort of like the prisoner’s dilemma: Acting in their own interest is unlikely to yield the optimal outcome for all, but they don’t know that. And this is eight decision-makers having to cooperate, not two. There are so many possible outcomes — and ways this can go poorly.

The hope among Big 12 sources is that, unlike past rounds of realignment, nobody concludes this is doomed and panics. In these tense times, we’ll see how long the fragile trust can endure.

Each of the eight eventually has a decision to make: Do you grab the extinguisher or the flamethrower?
Catch up with our coverage so far.

» Jason Kersey on Texas, Oklahoma giving Big 12 notice, officially starting process of leaving for SEC, shaking up college football
» Max Olson on the key to realignment survival for the Big 12's remaining eight schools: trust
» Jason Kersey and Sam Khan Jr. on how the departures of cornerstones Texas and Oklahoma mark the end of the Big 12 as we know it
» Chris Vannini on how conference realignment is taking away what we love about college football
» Andy Staples on why the Big Ten should consider raiding its old friend, the Pac-12
» Seth Emerson and Chris Vannini on how a 16-team SEC might approach divisions
» Nicole Auerbach and Allan Taylor on West Virginia's long-held fondness for the ACC coming back to the surface
» Matt Fortuna on how SEC commissioner Greg Sankey's true motives for supporting a 12-team Playoff coming to light
» Nicole Auerbach on the case for the AAC to come after the Big 12, not the other way around
» Stewart Mandel makes the case that Oklahoma doesn't need to tether itself to Texas
» Scott Dochterman on why the Big Ten must act quickly as we perhaps enter a new phase of nationwide realignment
» The Athletic's SEC writers react to the news
» Matt Fortuna on the evolving task ahead of new ACC commissioner Jim Phillips
» Ari Wasserman on what the addition of Texas and Oklahoma would mean for recruiting in the SEC
» Max Olson on how the Big 12 was blindsided by the report of Texas and Oklahoma looking into joining the SEC
» Seth Emerson on why mixed feelings about the news around the SEC are understandable
» Stewart Mandel’s conference realignment FAQ

Kiimo 07-26-2021 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 15755501)
He sad





<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Following is a complete list of all the programs that have had more success after leaving <a href="https://twitter.com/Big12Conference?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Big12Conference</a>. <br>1.__________<br>2.__________<br>3.__________<br>4.__________<br> <br>The list is identical for fans that have enjoyed it more.</p>&mdash; kevin kietzman (@kkhasissues) <a href="https://twitter.com/kkhasissues/status/1417973350564089859?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 21, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>



Holy Hat Take

Kiimo 07-26-2021 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 15755513)
BIG needs Kansas basketball more than Kansas basketball needs the BIG. There’s literally zero basketball benefit to us playing a BIG schedule. They’d benefit far more, esp with all that wintertime TV inventory.

So, something like paying KU $30m per year in exchange for us to play with you hoops only. Sounds about where it would land.


KU basketball goes to the B1G in exchange for KU football going as well.

Prison Bitch 07-26-2021 12:10 PM

Tape loop currently running in Rust Shack’s fevered imagination:



<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Kansas and Iowa State upon joining the Big Ten <a href="https://t.co/V9BvJMGEjY">pic.twitter.com/V9BvJMGEjY</a></p>&mdash; Ben Stevens (@BenScottStevens) <a href="https://twitter.com/BenScottStevens/status/1419717133987160076?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 26, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Mr. Plow 07-26-2021 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 15755622)
Tape loop currently running in Rust Shack’s fevered imagination:



<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Kansas and Iowa State upon joining the Big Ten <a href="https://t.co/V9BvJMGEjY">pic.twitter.com/V9BvJMGEjY</a></p>&mdash; Ben Stevens (@BenScottStevens) <a href="https://twitter.com/BenScottStevens/status/1419717133987160076?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 26, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

LMAO

Sassy Squatch 07-26-2021 12:29 PM

Conference 7/26/2021 12:55:00 PM

Statement from the Big 12 Conference
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Today the Big 12 Conference received notice from University of Oklahoma President Joe Harroz and University of Texas President Jay Hartzell that their universities do not intend to extend their Grant of Rights when the current agreement expires on June 30, 2025.

“Although our eight members are disappointed with the decisions of these two institutions, we recognize that intercollegiate athletics is experiencing rapid change and will most likely look much different in 2025 than it does currently,” stated Commissioner Bob Bowlsby. “The Big 12 Conference will continue to support our member institutions’ efforts to graduate student-athletes, and compete for Big 12 and NCAA championships. Like many others, we will use the next four years to fully assess what the landscape will look like in 2025 and beyond. The remaining eight institutions will work together in a collaborative manner to thoughtfully and strategically position the Big 12 Conference for continued success, both athletically and academically, long into the future.”

MGRS13 07-26-2021 12:32 PM

The big 12 isn’t a sinking ship, it’s the ****ing uss arizona. If ku and Iowa state can go to the big 10 they should be blowing on the ink to make sure it drys. Baylor TT and OKS and kstate better hope they are lucky enough to end up in the pac 12. I fear for kstate this is the beginning of the end.

displacedinMN 07-26-2021 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by MGRS13 (Post 15755667)
The big 12 isn’t a sinking ship, it’s the ****ing uss arizona. If ku and Iowa state can go to the big 10 they should be blowing on the ink to make sure it drys. Baylor TT and OKS and kstate better hope they are lucky enough to end up in the pac 12. I fear for kstate this is the beginning of the end.

Merge the Big 12 and the AAC?

or Big 12 and WAC?

kepp 07-26-2021 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 15754624)

Ugh, "Bowlsby" is a name I HAVE NOT missed since moving to the SEC. The SEC moves forward while the Big12 sits still and then scrambles to control damage.

Mizzou_8541 07-26-2021 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 15755513)
BIG needs Kansas basketball more than Kansas basketball needs the BIG. There’s literally zero basketball benefit to us playing a BIG schedule. They’d benefit far more, esp with all that wintertime TV inventory.

So, something like paying KU $30m per year in exchange for us to play with you hoops only. Sounds about where it would land.

Ku to ACC makes more sense to me. Seems like a great basketball fit.

tredadda 07-26-2021 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou_8541 (Post 15755784)
Ku to ACC makes more sense to me. Seems like a great basketball fit.

Big East makes even more sense. Dominant basketball centric conference that puts little to no value on a football program.

ChiefsCountry 07-26-2021 01:43 PM

KU football program letting Nebraska, Wisconsin or Iowa getting fat on wins is what the Big Ten needs as well. You don't always need 500 pound gorillas, you need something for them to eat as well.

Prison Bitch 07-26-2021 01:44 PM

“Hey Cal and Stanford, KSU is totally a cultural fit with you all”



<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Among 65 counties in America with a Power 5 university, guess which one ranks dead last in adult vaccination rate?<br><br>Riley County, Kansas (34%)<br><br>We *must* do better. Students return in a month. Please help prevent completely unnecessary suffering. Get vaccinated. <a href="https://twitter.com/KState?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@KState</a></p>&mdash; Tyler Dreiling (@TylerDreiling) <a href="https://twitter.com/TylerDreiling/status/1417877541822648321?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 21, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Hawker007 07-26-2021 02:18 PM

Does California still have the law that the State funded schools can't play sports in states that have anti LGBTQ laws? Not that KS had truly anti LGBTQ laws, they just weren't progressive enough for California. Not sure if any of that has changed?

BWillie 07-26-2021 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 15755803)
KU football program letting Nebraska, Wisconsin or Iowa getting fat on wins is what the Big Ten needs as well. You don't always need 500 pound gorillas, you need something for them to eat as well.

I thought that was what Nebraska was for? ROFLROFL

Iowa has annihilated Nebraska since they joined the Big 10. Nebby fans did not anticipate that.

Kiimo 07-26-2021 02:29 PM

I think Kansas is pretty hopeful about improving football and that's why the B1G is #1 on their wishlist. ACC or PAC after that.

The Big East is last

BWillie 07-26-2021 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiimosabi (Post 15755876)
I think Kansas is pretty hopeful about improving football and that's why the B1G is #1 on their wishlist. ACC or PAC after that.

The Big East is last

At first I wanted the ACC, but I can't imagine them bending over backwards to market Kansas even in bball. Duke and UNC would still be their darlings.

B1G it is, I hope.

I'd be in favor of a Big 12/Big East/AAC merger deal.

You could make a pretty nice conference out of that...

Kansas
K-State
Iowa State
Oklahoma State
TCU
Baylor
Texas Tech
Cincinnati
UCF
Houston
Memphis
UConn
Villanova


Could maintain the bball division Big East/Big 12. Maybe you could poach Boise State, Nevada & New Mexico from the Mtn West and BYU.

ROYC75 07-26-2021 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 15755204)
My prof in grad school used to day: “Your first option in any decision is to do nothing”. People often forget that.

Applying it to the B12 rump....what does do-nothing look like? If I read this right, there’s 3 years left on that zombie TV deal OU and Tex just walked away from. So $350M split 8 ways now = $40m+ in the short run.

I believe that gives them 3 years to figure out a plan. Not 3 days.

This, nothing needs to be done, NOW!

Kiimo 07-26-2021 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 15755902)
At first I wanted the ACC, but I can't imagine them bending over backwards to market Kansas even in bball. Duke and UNC would still be their darlings.

B1G it is, I hope.

I'd be in favor of a Big 12/Big East/AAC merger deal.

You could make a pretty nice conference out of that...

Kansas
K-State
Iowa State
Oklahoma State
TCU
Baylor
Texas Tech
Cincinnati
UCF
Houston
Memphis
UConn
Villanova


Could maintain the bball division Big East/Big 12. Maybe you could poach Boise State, Nevada & New Mexico from the Mtn West and BYU.



That is certainly a diminished conference and the B1G would be highly preferable to me.

ptlyon 07-26-2021 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 15755871)
I thought that was what Nebraska was for? ROFLROFL

Iowa has annihilated Nebraska since they joined the Big 10. Nebby fans did not anticipate that.

All we heard was "if we were in the big 10 we'd mop it up" and when they switched they got a huge awakening ROFL

Kiimo 07-26-2021 02:52 PM

To be fair to Nebraska the shift in recruiting and their loss of a great coach had more to do with it than the conference.

The Nebraska of old could certainly compete with anyone in the Big 10 of that era. Teams don't do option football anymore and Tom Osborn is eating stirred peas from a Nurse's spoon

KChiefs1 07-26-2021 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 15755799)
Big East makes even more sense. Dominant basketball centric conference that puts little to no value on a football program.


That is my thought too.

ChiefsHawk 07-26-2021 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ROYC75 (Post 15755912)
This, nothing needs to be done, NOW!

Cept all the major conferences are going to fill their needs asap. So in reality they do need to act quickly or become a MAC member

Prison Bitch 07-26-2021 03:13 PM

KSU might have a landing spot:





<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mountain West is “identifying potential opportunities” regarding Texas &amp; OU leaving Big 12 <a href="https://t.co/j75kmlnwrC">https://t.co/j75kmlnwrC</a></p>&mdash; Brett McMurphy (@Brett_McMurphy) <a href="https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/1419763326444257293?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 26, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Sassy Squatch 07-26-2021 03:52 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">SEC presidents have called a meeting for Thursday, sources tell <a href="https://twitter.com/SInow?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@SINow</a>.<br><br>Texas &amp; OU took the first step in joining the league today. The second step is applying for membership, which is expected but hasn&#39;t yet happened as of Monday at 5 ET.<br><br>The third step: SEC presidential vote.</p>&mdash; Ross Dellenger (@RossDellenger) <a href="https://twitter.com/RossDellenger/status/1419771555240943622?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 26, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Pitt Gorilla 07-26-2021 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 15755989)
KSU might have a landing spot:





<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mountain West is “identifying potential opportunities” regarding Texas &amp; OU leaving Big 12 <a href="https://t.co/j75kmlnwrC">https://t.co/j75kmlnwrC</a></p>&mdash; Brett McMurphy (@Brett_McMurphy) <a href="https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/1419763326444257293?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 26, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Does KSU improve the Mountain West?

BWillie 07-26-2021 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 15756059)
Does KSU improve the Mountain West?

Of course. That 2013 National Soil judging championship has to mean something.

comochiefsfan 07-26-2021 03:58 PM

Mountain West would be a great spot for KSU.

kU is probably better off dropping their pathetic football program and turning themselves into Gonzaga.

It feels damn good to be the king.

Coach 07-26-2021 03:59 PM

I doubt the Big 12 dissolves.

There's likely a chance of them getting UCF, Houston, Memphis, and Cincinnati instead of going elsewhere, and they still can retain their P5 status and the auto bids.

Pitt Gorilla 07-26-2021 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach (Post 15756082)
I doubt the Big 12 dissolves.

There's likely a chance of them getting UCF, Houston, Memphis, and Cincinnati instead of going elsewhere, and they still can retain their P5 status and the auto bids.

That’s, clearly, not an auto-bid league.

Jerm 07-26-2021 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach (Post 15756082)
I doubt the Big 12 dissolves.

There's likely a chance of them getting UCF, Houston, Memphis, and Cincinnati instead of going elsewhere, and they still can retain their P5 status and the auto bids.

I can’t even imagine what the re-negotiations for a TV contract would look like in that scenario lol….holy shit.

Not only that but no one would ever make the CFP, I don’t care what their record is.

Prison Bitch 07-26-2021 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by comochiefsfan (Post 15756077)
It feels damn good to be the king.

No doubt. You Bama fans have it good.


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