Football is absolutely the driving force. KU is in a weird position where they make enough money from basketball while also giving your “good teams” more wins in football. The W/L column matters the most. It’ll be interesting seeing how all these teams play out in the SEC. Obviously they will try to have most top teams play as little as possible, but when they do someone has to lose. Some years you might see the best team in the SEC with 2 or 3 losses instead of 1 or 0.

Big 12 is dead.

Pickings are slim after Kansas unless Notre Dame is finally receptive (and let’s be honest. ND is their top target, but Kansas is far more likely).

But adding an inarguably elite all-time program in the No. 2 sport ain’t nothing. It’s certainly better than other options they’ve added.

It certainly would give Kansas a chance to prove it doesn’t matter what conference they’re in, they’d dominate. I think they’d find that road much harder than in the Big 12.

I’m laughing my ass off watching the beakers scramble to be relevant.

KU would lose their domination in the B1G & would probably not be considered an elite program anymore.

Isn’t ND locked in with the ACC? I guess I don’t know exactly how it works with them being independent but also with the ACC. But ND also had more reason to join a conference with 4 team playoff than they would now with a 12 team or at least expanded starting as early as next year.

Oh, I thought we were discussing success on the court. Should’ve known better.

What’s our “loss?” Has anything happened? Feel free to laugh when KU announces its membership in the MWC. But don’t hold your breath waiting.

Football is the primary factor, obviously, but again...national/iconic brands matter too. KU would be the B1G’s #1 draw for several months per year, in a league full of good basketball schools. To say they would bring nothing is funny.

Straight up the only ways KU isn't in a power 4 at the end of all this is if the NCAA nukes their basketball program, the codependents of the Big 12 give UT and OU some of their money to stay, or the rest of the conferences sit on their asses and do nothing in response to the SEC becoming a super conference.

I’m also assuming the media will be putting on pressure to dissolve the Big12 immediately. I think the Big12 only has to keep 6 members to stay a P5. That keeps Oklahoma and Texas in limbo until 2025 unless the other schools leave for another conference. Obviously Big12 schools don’t want to be in limbo themselves. It’s in literally everyone’s best interest to quickly figure this out and this be the last Big12 season. Which is bittersweet that Iowa State would finally win it, the last year.

ROFL

Imagine typing this with a straight face.

KU’s won 11 of their last 12 vs UNC, Kentucky, and Duke, but they’re going to lose their elite status because they have to face the likes of Mich St, Michigan, Ohio St and Purdue? Good one.

Self dominates familiar competition. End of story. He was well on his way to dominating the B1G with a much weaker program. And the league was better then than now.

The NIL and transfer portal is only going to help him stack his roster every year.

You poor guys have a really hard time concealing your jealousy.

I don't think they'd dominate the league like they have in the Big 12 because the programs around them are better in the B1G.

But to act like ku would suddenly not be a basketball power is crazy.

KU would do well in the B1G. They might not dominate it to the same level they have the BIG 12, but they won't suddenly become an also ran BB program there.

You just beat me to it. Was saying the same thing.

As much as I hate KU and their fans they would be a welcomed addition to the B1G

No, but even their Big 12 dominance is a little misleading. There were four co-champs during their streak and plenty of years in which they had a late comeback and/or barely pulled it out. It was a very dominant stretch by the numbers, but it’s not as if they were vastly better than the rest every year.

There have been a lot of very good teams in the Big 12 over the years. A lot of final four/elite 8 teams. A lot of top 10ish teams.

KU would likely lose more league games due to the depth of the B1G, but I don’t see why they wouldn’t win the league fairly consistently. Every other program is a notch below. And with the changes in the CBB landscape, I expect Self’s rosters to be consistently stacked. Look at the current roster. Thanks to the portal, they’re loaded, despite years of down recruiting due to being under investigation.

Mich St is a step below KU’s level and if you look at their last two decades, they’ve won the B1G nearly every time they were a top 10 caliber team. The difference is that KU is a top 10 team every year.

Big Ten's original plan to get to 16 took a hard turn when Mizzou went to the SEC. They thought SEC had no desire to get Mizzou and they would be there when they were ready to expand to 16 with them and Kansas. They are probably going to have to take Iowa State instead.

The funny thing with all this expansion talk its been like 30 years plan in the works. SEC original expansion plan in the late 80s and early 90s was A&M, Texas, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Clemson and Florida State. SEC is about full circle on that with South Carolina instead of Clemson and Mizzou instead of FSU. Big Ten in the early 90s were looking to expand with Nebraska, Missouri, Kansas, and Rutgers. Yes Rutgers had been on the Big Ten expansion plans since the early 90s. An ACC and Big East football school merger had been talked about in the early 90s. All of this is documented in major newspapers during this time. It's not like any of this should be a surprise it just takes time and right media partners to push it in the right direction.

As long as Howard stays at Michigan that's going to be an elite program. So many good games if you're a KU fan going up against Michigan and Michigan St will be iconic showdowns something I dont think the Big 12 consistently. Then you have Wisconsin, Illinois, Maryland, Purdue, Ohio St who are consistent tournament caliber teams. Not sure if Indiana is done yet think they are still capable of being really good. Then you have the outliers who produce tournament teams Minnesota and now Rutgers and I think with what Hoiberg is building with back to back top 20 recruiting classes will be very similar to those Iowa St teams.

I love this because whoever made it totally left out WVU. It's almost like they are a complete afterthought in this whole expansion.

Fun while it lasted. Last decade were great for KU. I’ll miss the League’s hellacious athletes, neverending drama, and the awesome hoops games.



We were 8th in profits (USA Today) without drawing any football fans at all. ROFL



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Thanks for sending your MS Office screenshot. You’re totally right. That random spreadsheet proves everyone wrong. Touché.

You sound like Bambi bragging about that ROFL

LMAO Pretty sure he spent almost all his time here in these threads

Google says that Missouri’s been in the red for three years. With considerably less revenue.ROFL

SEC! SEC!

This is like the goofiest and dumbest thing to try and dunk on a group of fans for lol…

This couldn’t be any more wrong. Work yourself up tho, bro, to make yourself feel better. Mizzou AD has never seen a larger influx of donors, along with the SEC cash cow. Sorry bout ya, bruh.

Prove me wrong Mizzouche

I’d say it’s far less dumb than Missouri fans trying to convince KU fans that they’re irrelevant.

Indiana and Purdue are also in this top 10 list while the likes of Ohio State, Alabama, and Oregon are not?

Must be profit after paying players.

DeBerg level post ^

You either have to be attempting to be pulling somebody's leg here, naive, or just plain stupid!

Many of those 14 titles won or shared were when the B12 was either the top BB conference or well within the top 3 of the NCAA.

You can spin this any way you wish to suit your personal preference.But to do so is either pulling somebody's leg, ,naive or just plain stupid.

Big 12 also gave us the greatest football player of all-time. So that was cool, too.

This is rich - a fan of a completely irrelevant, SEC bottom-feeder program in football and basketball talking $shit to a school with a blue blood hoops program. Mizzou defines “irrelevant”. KU basketball will be relevant and strong for decades to come, Mizzou will continue to struggle for relevance in any sport during that same period. Please pay attention to history and facts.

I would take that bet!

Look, we know SEC is tops in football. It's the driving force behind this and with the possible super conferences forming, UT & OU are wanting to make the move.

To all of you MUron's, the SEC only took you at the time for 3 reasons, just coming off of several good football years, a few good BB seasons and most of all, you had a greater TV market in Missouri. The KC, STL, SPFLD, and Columbia/Jeff City far out numbered the. KC, TOPEKA & WICHITA
& Ks market. It was a numbers game with TV marketing.

How has your football & BB programs done W/L records since leaving the B12? Football I can understand, hard to win in the SEC. BB? Come on, the SEC has been a down conference for several years and you sucked in BB
It wasn't until the last 2 yrs you started to come around, I must say too, in a conference that has been less than stellar!

It's not your football or basketball programs ability to win that is attractive to the SEC, it's the TV market for viewership that is attractive to the SEC! If MU was in a less populated state like KS, Ne, SD,ND. etc. You would be left out, wouldn't have gotten an invite to the SEC.

Texas A&M may have the biggest hissy fit of all time, but nobody really believes they will leave the SEC if Texas joins. Where would they go?

(Typical MU fan) But, but, but. MU has to be in here somewhere in the top 10!

They are not leaving! Just winning about having to play UT and OU again in the players rich TX markets.

Cracks me up that people continue to treat the Big 12 like it’s the WCC. Really easy way to identify an amateur or a troll. Or, most likely, an amateur troll.

The only league that’s been clearly better than the Big 12 over the last decade or two is the ACC. And even the ACC’s been below the Big 12 the last few years.

KU pulled off that streak because they’ve been the most consistent program in basketball and because Self is a master. No other school was consistently good enough to have been able to pull that off. Not even Duke. They all have the occasional 8 seed or NIT team or even a losing record. A top 15ish 4 seed is as bad as it gets for Self. And that’s once a decade when he has devastating injuries.

Rep

And he goes to AFH for games !

You all have a very weird standard for who is and who isnt relevant

I don’t know why I would care about this from a Mizzou perspective as some do, other than it’s interesting to watch the Big 12 finally break apart in mid air.

I’m sure the b1g or someone will take Kansas. Although one wonders if they could dominate that conference in modern times they way they have the Big 12, they at least bring something valuable. Let’s face it, football drives everything and there aren’t any marquee schools looking for homes anymore. If you’re going to fill the conference out to an even number you may as well get a top school in the second tier sport.

I wonder if the Big 12’s wreckage will end up merging with another mid major conference when it’s all said and done.

Oh look! Another college athletics thread has turned into a Kansas/Missouri pissing contest.

*yawn*

We havent had 1 of these in a long long time. Embrace the nostalgia

You provided the screenshot of a MS Excel 2011 table. Burden of proof is on you.

I prefer to keep it simple. Relevance = winning.

Also, you’re like the Mitch Holthus of nicknames. Most are embarrassing for him. This one I’ve seen you use a few times with no reaction. I just sort of laugh…Mizzouche. Cuts deep, lol.

Where do you draw the line with that? Just winning titles or playoff appearances? If so theres only a handful of schools that match that criteria. Constantly winning 9 or 10 games? Then schools like Iowa and Wisconsin are relevant. I think theres alot more that goes into it than just winning.

Yep. And if it happened today vs a decade ago, they wouldn’t get invited.

The only advantage they have vs KU is being located in a larger market. Which is a very strange thing to flex about. Hey, we never win, but there’s a lot of people in St Louis!

It’s Texas-esque douchebaggery.

MU is secure. At the moment, ku isn’t. Especially with 6 level 1 violations hanging over their head. MU is doing just fine, and will be for the foreseeable future. It’s too bad your football team (the sport the NCAA cares about) can’t win more than like 5 games a decade. If you did you’d already be in a non-shit conference.

A true winner doesn’t have to try to convince himself he’s a winner.

Of the four programs that matter between the two schools, one is a winner.

Ah, the old violations card. Not too many KU fans are sweating these days. The longer it drags out, the less likely it becomes that the independent panel will do more than a slap on the wrist.

There isn’t a KU fan in the world that wants to trade places with you. KU will be elite in basketball no matter where they end up. They have a good shot at stealing the record for all-time wins from Kentucky this season.

Missouri? Going on your 7th straight unranked season in football and completely irrelevant in basketball. If the SEC becomes a 20-team superleague, you’ll be overjoyed if you finish in the upper half once a decade. More often than not, you’ll be damn near the bottom in both sports. How awesome!

Enjoy being a mid-major!

Prove me wrong Mizzouche

You Sir are an idiot thinking like this.

BTA, you could be just trolling!

Just giving 1 of the 2 options! :p

Burden of proof is on you, bruh.

Even though it won’t happen, I’d gladly accept a role as the Gonzaga of the AAC vs the doormat of the SEC.

Load up on strong OOC games. Handful of solid programs in-conference. Bring along another solid program or two. Could be a lot worse. Like being a perennial doormat.

Can't link but has anyone else seen rumors the SEC will poach "major programs" to go to 24 teams? If true, has to be B1G

Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State & Illinois gets you to 20. I’d imagine North Carolina, Virginia, Clemson & Florida Stare which would be 24.

Boys, it's coming soon!
The BIG break away of the power conferences and the NCAA. The SEC is acting first in this breakup!

KU football is so far down that they would almost be better getting in a conference with Villanova and the rest of those basketball Big East schools.

The SEC should say no.

KU should be in a basketball only conference.

They compete in the Big howevermany where they are like it's basketball only already

Mizzouche should be in an Olympic-sports only conf.

Not a chance its B1G teams. It will be ACC teams like Clemson.

Their wrasslin program is something though! Don’t even think they compete in the sec with their best sport. That’s the B1G

There's talk of Ohio St, Michigan, etc.

Soon Missouri will have about two teams they can annually compete with in a 20+ team league.

"look morons, your program was accepted for these very good reasons"

You guys still believe some dumb **** from barstool?

Yeah, it's clearly all about market share despite best efforts of some to act like it's about wins and losses or any other metric that plays into some fake superiority stance.. FFS, Rutgers and Kansas had the same football attendance figures at the gate pre-Covid.

It's "if/whenever the school is decent at football, we'll potentially capture this market"... and yeah, if Kansas wasn't a complete abomination in football, it would still only come down to market share and not some dick measuring contest between schools that are completely irrelevant on the national landscape outside of Kansas' spots on ESPN/CBS CBB and March Madness. "

I see the exact same thing in my industry... companies merge and get acquired and the people, current business, etc; is the last thing on their mind... it's 100% about capturing market share.

Someone fell for a troll from Barstool

Man this crap is exactly the same as last time. MU fans saying KU is going to a mid major and then the Big 10 and PAC came calling because KU's basketball program as it turns out is rather important no matter what MU fans delude themselves into believing.

Again what move in any conference realignment has been made because of a basketball program? That isn’t even hating on KU, it’s just the truth.

If anything, you’re overrating how much a basketball program means in the grand scheme of things when it comes to realignment.

It’s down to football, TV markets, and AAU status. Nothing else matters.

Football doesn’t matter. Buttgers got in and they are KU’s only road win in like a decade. And that’s after they joined BIG

Can someone point to the pages that have legit information to peruse so I don't have to wade thru this pissing contest?

There won’t be any legit information until Oklahoma and Texas serve the Big12 their notice. Which could happen as soon as tomorrow.

The bulk of the rumors seem to be-

KU and Iowa State to the B1G

KSU, Okie, Tech, and ISU to the PAC.

Obviously Iowa State can’t join both lol.

West Virginia to ACC

Then there’s talk of the PAC just taking all the leftovers and going to 20.

I’m thinking it goes to a P4, 16 schools each.