I tell you I was paying you a compliment and your reaction isn’t, “My bad, dude, I misunderstood” but, telling me your ok with being a dick to someone who was complimenting you…

You’re as arrogant as a KU fan. Congratulations on being that which you claim to hate.

Take a breath. You’ll be fine.

Also, I don’t hate anyone. It’s college sports lol.

I’m not upset or excited. I find, what I am guessing, is your misconception of my fandom rather amusing actually.

I couldn’t care less about your fandom, or what you think about mine. Have a good weekend.

This might be the first time I’ve been informed that KU isn’t a blueblood. And it’s a Missouri fan. How utterly shocking.ROFL

It’s funny that you think the B1G would welcome Rutgers but turn their nose up at KU. As if Rutgers brings in the NY market. KU, however, owns the KC metro.

KU will soon own B1G basketball much like they’ve owned the Big 12.

Enjoy those checks. Bet they’re way more satisfying than wins.

****ing nobody is watching KU football. Nobody.

That's where the juice is at for the conference.

I am not a KU basher, but I ask honestly why would they? What does KU bring to the table? They don't check off any boxes that this expansion and realignment is about. Weak FB program, small media market (KC is not purely KU territory). If basketball was a driving force then they could have just offered an invite to a Villanova or Georgetown (much larger markets).

I do hope KU lands on their feet and it would be cool if they make it to the B1G, I just don't see what that conference gains from KU joining.

Couldn’t this same argument be applied to Rutgers? Granted, NYC is massive, but Rutgers isn’t entirely NYC territory and Rutgers football is not KU football trash, yet, has a funky aroma also.

Yes, but as you noted, NYC is massive.

It improves the basketball brand. Football matters. So do national brands, and kansas remains a national brand.

When you look at what's left of other big schools, I'm not sure where else the B1G would go as it tries to expand.

Good points and that might be what gets them in if that's what the B1G is looking at. I just wonder if logistically and from an improving BB brand as well as market if Villanova would be a better get. They don't have the history of KU, but they have a very good BB program and are in the huge Philly market. I do think of the remaining Big 12 schools they are the most appealing to add.

Villanova's issue is the football imprint and academic fit.

Yes, it's a private school with a strong academic rep, but the B1G is also pretty set on schools it adds being large research-based institutions with a broad range of degree programs and large alum bases.

And in football, they have a 12,000 seat stadium and play in the FCS division (where they HAVE won a national title). I think that makes Nova a non-starter.

UConn, on the other hand... I could see that... wouldn't add MUCH re: football, but it is a national basketball brand (still) and has a FBS football program that hasn't been a total embarrassment at times.

UConn is a possibility. Never considered them. They would make more sense than KU if for nothing else logistics.

You "root" for Mizzou, so of course you don't care about Fandom of a team. Y'all chant SEC because you have nothing on your own.

UConn is not an AAU school, the Big 10 won’t take them.

my bad, I was actually referring to the Big Ten taking Texas A&M if they are but hurt

If KU is an afterthought, what does that make Mizzou? KU actually has won national championships in major sports and has a top 3-5 all-time blue blood major sports program that is relevant every year and historically. Mizzou has nothing remotely like that, in any sport, ever. Might want to rethink your foolish statement.

Sure, sire. KC is a small media market that just so happens to have 3 pro sports teams in it.

As for splitting this market, you could say that about *any* college. There isn’t a market out there, maybe outside Austin TX, that isn’t split between schools. The issue is “dominance” and KU obv dominates the market. 105,000 alums within an hour of downtown is one metric.


Maybe you should ask: what does KU gain from that conference? I’m not seeing many benefits at all, athletically.

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ROFL


That needed to be said?

KU is a great fit for any conference that have a subscription channel. KU has one of the largest CBB fanbases in the country. What does that mean? A ton of subscriptions.

How ppl watch TV is changing due to cable becoming more and more a thing of the past. 10 yrs ago it was more about what market does a school bring. For example, Rutgers gets you some NY/NJ cable money regardless if anybody actually watches them or not. Now in 2021 with more stand alone subscription services, market location doesn't mean as much. This is actually GOOD for KU because KU bball fans WILL buy whatever network has their bball games. And there are alot of us. They have a big alumni base and that's alot of subscriptions to sell.

They dont have to. Because all of the KU bball fans will still buy the Big 10 Network.

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Its and entertaining listen but its clear these guys don't know shit and can't even comprehend what's going on. Its not about getting conferences to 16 teams. Its about money, which means brands and TV contracts, and control

The Big 12 screwed up in 2016 when they had the opportunity to go to 16 teams. They elected to stay at 10 for currently more money per team. Eventually they could have made more in a 16 teams conference with a new TV contract. They could not see far enough into the future.

Big difference between a pro team where there is no other competition for a long distance (Outside of the Royals and Cardinals) and local college teams. Not saying KC is Pierre, SD, but it is one of the smallest pro sports markets.

LMAO

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It wasn't lack of vision, it was Texas doing everything they could to run the conference. They opposed expansion because more teams meant they could get out-voted and lose the ability to do whatever they want.

The problem is that Texas has known going back over 10 years when the B12 was being raided, that they would eventually jump ship. It was just a matter of timing, and figuring out which is the best conference to jump to.

OU likely would rather stay in the B12, but they know they need to stay hitched to Texas for security.

The only thing that could have avoided this was if somehow the top teams in either the Pac 12 or ACC would have jumped to the B12 back in 2016, but that was probably a pipe dream.

Clemson's emergence and ND quasi-joining solidified that conference.

Oh, I think they get that. I think that is why they are talking about getting conferences to those 16 teams. Because many of those teams will not have the ability to get enough draw without being in a larger group to put multiple fan bases together.
Kansas, Kansas St., Oklahoma St, Iowa St, and so on. They do not have enough of a following to generate a TV contract draw. They all need to be part of a larger conference so that the sum can be more than its parts. It is the only for them to be financially viable.

If Mizzou isn’t calling the BIG right now, they should.

I’m sure they’d rather make more money in the SEC.

Mizzou is NOT leaving the SEC if Texas and OKlahoma join. They’d be crazy too. It’s the biggest $$$$ league in college sports and is only getting bigger. Regardless of where they finish, that money allows them to do a LOT for their university going forward. Besides, as a Mizzou fan, I would welcome bringing back Oklahoma as a regular game. We already recruit against them anyway. **** Texas, but it is what it is. They’ll have to fall in line in the SEC. There are bigger dicks swinging around in the SEC than they ever had to deal with in the Big 12.

Like it or not, college football rules the colleges sports landscape. Mizzou has a better chance of being competitive (not top tier, mind you) in thr SEC than they ever would in the BIG10. Their recruiting would be crippled permanently if they left the SEC. Forget recruiting Texas. No more opportunity to dominate in-state recruiting (which they’re finally working towards doing under Drink) and make no mistake, the SEC brand is a big draw in that. Yeah, it gets a little harder if OK is in the SEC too, but nothing like competing with Ohio State, Michigan’s, Illinois, etc in the north. They have some in roads in Georgia and Florida too, which they completely lose if they leave the SEC.

So to summarize, there is absolutely ZERO reason for Mizzou to consider leaving the SEC and joining the BIG10. They have a seat at the Big Boys table and need to stay right where they are to continue to be secure in the university’s future.

Yeah, too bad it’s a high chair.

Who are you going to beat now?

Less than zero chance.

Hey, if you’re EVER going to be good, it helps to go against the best. No matter how hard that may be.

There’s a reason Kansas won a ridiculous 14 straight Big 12 titles or whatever it was. Helps when you routinely get to beat up on the orphaned step children. But if that satisfies you all, more power to you.

I’d rather have a high chair at the big boys table than a throne at the kiddie pool.

But to each his own . . . . .

I appreciate your passion, but Mizzou was proactive to the changing landscape 10 years ago. Your titles mean about as much as our lack of titles, as we are in the most lucrative and stable conference, that is dictating the future of college football. So, you may think my statement is foolish, but we aren’t the ones playing musical chairs right now. You are.

DeBerg level post^^^


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Congrats on winning the conference musical chairs game! That’s evidently a moral victory Mizzou fans can claim momentarily and maybe some day one of your sports programs will actually have a notable accomplishment. KU will be fine, and Allen Fieldhouse and KU hoops will remain a bucket list stop for most sports fans across the country.

Well, unless the NCAA decides to make an example out of you guys and nuke it from orbit.

The NCAA is going out of business soon. The conferences are in charge now.

Now that players can officially be paid, they're irrelevant and will be gone soon.

Mizzou CREATED the changing landscape 10 years ago. They are the school that reached out to the B1G (and got left out on the initial round of the mess THEY started).

And yet a Big 12 team is the reigning champ and the league is routinely at or near the top in all ratings systems. But hey, keep grasping til something works.

I mean….dude. I can feel your fear. The big 12 is done. You don’t know where you will be in 2022. You have numerous recruiting violations hanging over your head. Your confidence is done, but the cumulative impact of all of this is not likely to play out in your favor. My apologies that Mizzou is much more attractive position than ku. I’m sure you didn’t ask to be a fan, you were born into it. But if you were as relevant as you think you are, you’d be in Mizzou’s spot, not the one you are in. From the collegiate landscape perspective, Mizzou, UT, ATM, Nebraska. And Oklahoma is relevant. ku just isn’t. Your titles are irrelevant. I’m not saying that. I wish I had some CBB titles to call my own. The collegiate landscape is saying this. Ku was sought by no one. Mizzou was. I’m sorry that hurts your heart.

Lol! So Mizzou is irrelevant, but they caused all this. Noted.

Come on over to the Tigers. We’ve got room for you

ROFL. They didn’t even do shit to State Penn after their massive pedo scandal.

Okie State in talks with the B1G.

But obviously most Big12 schools will be reaching out so not really breaking news.

Iowa State will be a great addition to the B1G. Great school. Great academics. Great athletics.

Fair point. ku has played this perfectly. Deny and delay. Much better than Mizzou did when the acknowledged it.

Texas and money created all the instability. Mizzou may have been one of the first to jump, because they saw the writing on the wall and had a place to land, but it's hard to blame them.

Clearly, you still think I’m a ****ing beaker. Put the gummies down, sober up and reread yesterday’s posts in this thread.

Wether Mizzou is relevant or not has nothing to do with them unilaterally choosing to reach out to the B1G.

You have no idea who is/was interested in KU. Rumors are rampant about dealings between KU and the B1G as we speak.

Difference between this move and yours will be that KU will strut in and take over the joint, while both of your sad little programs disappear further into obscurity every year.

Fixed

Why wasn’t the B1G or SEC seeking out Ku, like they did Mizzou? Sorry bro. What you think is not what the rest of the landscape thinks. I know that hurts…you thought you were something great abs nobody else does. Just take your place at the end of the line, and accept it. Nobody cares about ku. Just deal with that.

Lol!

Every school is about themselves and money. Mizzou decided AFTER the creation of the Big XII that they didn’t like Texas’ version of that approach.

We knew who Texas was when we brought them in; buyers remorse is a poor excuse in this case.

Again. I don’t care who you are a fan of. You’re letting your emotions get the best of you.

Mizzou didn’t have to reach out. Ku did.

Spend less time worrying about me and Mizzou. Spend some time with your girlfriend or kids or something. I shouldn’t be as embedded in your brain as I am.

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This move does 2 things:

1. Takes OU/Tex from $37M payouts to 57M, or about whatbrhe SEC is promising them

2. Reduces the others from $37M to $32M.

And that’s gotten the Big 12 what exactly? About to go up in smoke after Texas and OU depart . . . . . . .

Kind of the whole point of this thread.


College football rules the day. That’s where the money goes. No one gives a shit about basketball besides a few rabid fanbases.

Sorry for your loss . . . .

LMAO You spend more time with your loved ones and less time in this thread you silly hypocrite.

And Mizzou did reach out, to the B1G, and got shunned.

History, facts, they are annoying things but, they are things just the same.

LMAO Jesus Christ, that's pathetic.

If you grew up in Nebraska, 18 years old 5 star recruit. You can make a couple million dollars now in college. Where would go? I bet it’s not Lincoln Nebraska. It’s probably LA, Miami, NY…. The college sports landscape is going to change so much in the next few years. Midwest schools will be finished. The only schools not in a major media market that won’t fold will be BYU, Notre Dame…. Religious Schools. That’s just my opinion.

The B1G has sought out KU before. It's not only football that matters. National brands matter. You have neither btw.

Aren't you a little embarrassed to still be bragging about being in the SEC? Do the other members even know you're there? When you were invited a decade ago, you looked like a program on the rise in each sport. That quickly faded and you returned to the reality of being bums in everything.

We get it. You have to watch KU succeed every year in b-ball while you're a perennial doormat. This year you'll probably have to read about them becoming the winningest program in CBB history. And even in football, just when you thought you had a team good enough to accomplish something on a national stage, KU rose up and stole the Orange Bowl from right underneath you. ROFL God, I'd be angry too.

And when this SEC super league emerges? You're going to feel lucky to finish in the top 16 in either sport once every 5 years. Hahaha....

God, it has to suck to be a Missouri fan.ROFL

Lol. Big 12 getting desperate now.

Throwing a Hail Mary and I guess the rest of the conference AD’s are willing to just bend over and take it from OU and UT??

Too funny.

I’m looking at the NCAA report on annual FB and hoops attendance, and the television audiences as well. Have you seen the numbers or just goin DeBerg ?

RIP Big12

So many words to say “I’m scared about our AD, yet I’m going to type paragraphs about the irrelevancy of Mizzou.” Y’all are so scared and nervous about where you will land. We aren’t. There’s a reason for that. Ku is irrelevant. Mizzou isn’t.

Makes sense tho. They provide inordinate value. Why shouldn’t they keep more? I’ve always admitted KU gets a great deal in the B12 because the rabid FB schools cut us huge checks each year that we don’t earn, while letting us hoard all our hoops profits.

Just in case you missed the average viewers per game last year.

Could the big 12 be any more pathetic? Lololol

What a joke. The league needs to disband.

A few things here, I’m sure the Big12 commissioner would like to keep his job so he’s trying. Then after Texas and Oklahoma leave, half the leftovers are looking at joining the PAC, which would probably mean making less than what you would giving Texas and Oklahoma more to stay. Obviously two could get lucky and go to the B1G making more, and then something similar going to the ACC. Then there’s Baylor who’s probably left out.

For sure. Good point.

Sounds like ku is in your head I’d take your own advice. No one gives a shit about the pukes the doormat of the sec lol

What conference are you in.

KU brings nothing to the table.

Football is the driving force of realignment & KU brings what 2-3 wins per year over mid-major schools. I’m sure the B1G can’t wait for that. I can see them cutting a deal with KU as a minor member of the conference. Maybe they’ll get 1/2 of what Nebraska got. No way the B1G is giving a moribund program like KU into their conference without saying you are a minor member.

Don’t remember what kinda deal NU cut with the B1G but I know they weren’t a full fledge member like Missouri has always been in the SEC.

B1G is getting the secondary schools at this point unless they wrangle Notre Dame.

Only a fool would leave the greatest conference in history.

LMAO

Yeah go from the greatest conference in history to a conference that might take KU.

Hilarious