Speaking of Skip, I got a random rep from him a few weeks ago.

The SEC now wants all nine schools in the Big 12 to sign a waiver saying they will not sue the Southeastern Conference over the departure of Texas A&M to the SEC.

The Big 12 schools will not sign those waivers.

It's Baylor. They're threatening to sue.

Oops. LMAO

NONE of the schools are willing to sign the waiver. Not just Baylor.

Well done Big 12... :LOL:

ISU's must have their thumbs up their asses if they're not going to fight TAMU's departure.

Well, I guess this could stop all this realignment stuff cold. I can't imagine that aTm would want to go to a different conference if the SEC won't take them.

Now on 810 they are saying that there isnt a lawsuit and that all agree to let aTm go to the SEC...

Jesus, how many conflicting stories from informed sources can we get at one time? :D

dont know, Said some guy who works for ESPN Dallas was tweeting that Baylor was late to the game and that no one is sueing...

I've now heard that ISU is going to sue Baylor for wanting to sue the SEC.

The B12 didn't fight this that much but I have heard that this blanket letter on behalf of the B12 doesn't do much to sway particular schools from taking action.

Like Kyle saying "Chiefs Planet won't sue you" and mohillbilly going off the reservation and litigating your ass. LMAO

Right, because they are sitting around thinking, "How can we **** ourselves even more than we already are?" Fighting this is futile, no one is going to fight aTm wanting to do what is best for their university. What happens when ISU wants out? Would they appreciate some other shitbird school suing them and trying to get them to stay? No, if the B1G came calling ISU, they'd be gone in a second.

This is all a pathetic desperation ploy by Baylor. I've also heard that SEC President Mike Slive has been calling conferences all over the country to essentially black-ball Baylor now after this crap.

Also, since Baylor is the only one fighting, I think it is a clear sign that they are the only one that doesn't seem to have a landing spot when the Big 12 dies.

Baylor is ****ed.

President R. Bowen Loftin, Texas A&M University

Statement Regarding Conference Situation

"We are certainly pleased with the action taken last night by the presidents and chancellors of the Southeastern Conference to unanimously accept Texas A&M as the league's 13th member. However, this acceptance is conditional, and we are disappointed in the threats made by one of the Big 12 member institutions to coerce Texas A&M into staying in Big 12 Conference. These actions go against the commitment that was made by this university and the Big 12 on Sept. 2. We are working diligently to resolve any and all issues as outlined by the SEC."

KU needs to beg the Big East for a spot and stop waiting around...

It almost works for boise.

This is all so ****ing sad. Seriously.

Actually its getting annoying... Its time for these guys to shit or get off the pot.

WTF is Kansas doing? "were fully supporting the Big 12" ... ROFL

Serioulsy Kansas... Stop ****ing sucking the teets of Texas, grow a ****ing pair and do something...

What is it about Baylor that seemingly makes them so unattractive to other conferences? From a pure sports perspective, both their football and basketball teams have definitely improved over the past few years.

I don't think that's necessarily what Kansas was doing.

I would lean more its exactly what they are doing, than anything else...

Being proactive at this time would probably be best... I would bet they will be sitting here at the end going WTF, what do we do now...

Everyone is saying that right now, but I don't think for a second anyone is actually doing that.

Chip Brown's article from a day or two ago said ku was talking to a few conferences.

Reerun, all schools had the same mantra about being committed to the Big 12. It doesn't mean that things weren't being looked at, discussed and feelers weren't released into the wild. You seem to be under the impression that the individual schools hold their destinies in their hands. While some may (Texas and Oklahoma for sure), others may not. I'm perfectly OK with schools sitting back and seeing how the dominoes will fall. I think it's pretty safe to say that all B12 North schools will have a home in the Big East should they so desire.

wtf is KU supposed to do?


we have no leverage....no one gives a shit about KU until UT/OU make moves...


some nerd at a bar pestering a hot chick...yeah, that works

Fescoe assures us that sucking the teets of Texas is paramount to Kansas landing in the PAC.

I know people are saying that KSU and ISU must have a place to land - but I'm not sure I see it, unless it's the Big East (and that just sounds like a big ol' puddle of suck to me).

I still can't understand for the life of me how the Big XII, with the geographic advantages it had as well as 3 traditional power schools and a handful of strong 'supporting' schools like Mizzou, OSU and A&M could have allowed this to happen. It all goes back to them being reactive when the Nebraska to the B1G rumors started up. They should have immediately moved to strengthen the conference rather than allowing their long-term member schools to get picked off.

Dan Beebe is completely inept and the leadership of this conference should get excoriated by everyone for what's happened here.

I think once I realize this, the better off this mess will be...

Sports talk radio is useless these days.

KU is a bubble team...our merits will be discussed once everyone else has been admitted, and then we're fighting over the last 2 spots...that's the deal

not disagreeing Saul, Just posting what I heard at that moment...

It's actually very entertaining, and hilarious.

No problem. Just refrain from doing that from now on.

Yeah, but you probably thought that inbred 'Bama fan poisoning those 150 year old trees was funny too.

Pac-12/16/18/20 won't take them because they are a religious institution.

Baylor is stepping aside.

RIP Big XII

C'mon, guys. You can't hold that against KU fans. Even we know that Fescoe is an idiot.

The reason Fescoe still has a job is KU fans, so yes, we can hold it against them.

he is such a doofus

KU admins better be networking their asses off behind the scene so that when the shoe does drop they will be a phone call away from next dibs.

At worst, you guys will end up in the Big East.

That's not all that bad.

:hmmm:

WOW just when I think you couldnt one up yourself... You pull this jewel out of your hat...

That is almost as bad as saying KK is the voice and spokes person of KSU's athletic dept.

Sometimes the nerd gets the hot chick. Depends on the approach. But this much is probably a given... no approach... no hot chick.

I have no problem with that, really.

;)

I'm sure approaches were made on all fronts.

I just got this from KU:

Dear Jayhawk:

Amid the latest round of conference realignment discussions, I want all KU alumni to know that Chancellor Bernadette Gray-Little and Dr. Sheahon Zenger, KU athletics director, are aggressively pursuing the best possible outcome for KU. As the chancellor expressed yesterday, they will continue to keep our community informed.

The unsurpassed loyalty of the Jayhawk Nation is one of KU's greatest assets. Thanks for all you do to strengthen KU.

Rock Chalk!

Kevin J. Corbett, c’88
President
kcorbett@kualumni.org

What advantage does KU have by waiting around for the conference to fold?

They'll get the 6-8:40 spot on Big Monday, so that's cool...

BGL worries me way more than Zenger, I'm not going to lie. I don't think that woman was cut out for this mess.

/missing Hemenway

:(

Dear Texas A&M,

Welcome to the best conference in collegiate sports. Please bring your Texas viewers, black gold monies, and Texas recruits.

Sincerely,

SEC

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...sP7s86ms-Q&t=1

That is only true in movies made in the 80's.

Agreed.

FOULFEST!!!111

this

I bet she has no clue what's going on.

I don't understand the question. Are you implying that KU isn't doing anything right now and is just waiting for Big 12 to disband? This is not the case and only the simplest of simpletons would even think that. All Big 12 schools' administrations and boosters are and have been in overdrive.

ROFL

What exactly would you be doing right now. Remember this is doing something you can control and act upon as the AD of KU.

You only have Eco Cat to blame.

I was under the impression that aTm's black gold money is way in the red.

Why wasn't Beebe ever fired?

Well, shit. :huh:

I found this very amusing:

@fakenedyost FakeNedYost
Last one leaving the #Big12 make sure to turn out the lights otherwise #EcoCat will get all gangster on your ass. #ImLookinAtYouBaylor

Those were good movies. But in real life, you sometimes see a couple together, and you know the guy outkicked his coverage by a longshot.

I am no lover of Beebe or anything but it seems to me he inherited something that was unsustainable and bound to crack.

The makeup of the conference was what it was. I don't think he was in a position to really fix it.

For Rerun
 

Kansas University athletic director Sheahon Zenger is having one of those Jerry Maguire moments right about now.
Sitting in front of Zenger, who’s been on the job all of eight months, are two very different options. Option 1: Join the masses in the relentless pursuit of the almighty dollar while doing whatever it takes to reach that end. Option 2: Stick to your guns, lean on your morals and hope that, somehow and someday, the very thing you’ve spent your entire life believing in — the good of man — will be enough to keep KU afloat once this conference realignment madness comes to a close.
Time to call Rod Tidwell.
While Zenger has stood tall, remained honest with everyone and, perhaps to a fault, taken the word of his fellow Big 12 ADs to be worth something, presidents and administrators at other Big 12 institutions, as well as in conferences around the nation, have been scheming. All apologies for the negative connotation that automatically comes with the word, but you know the saying. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, right?
On the outside, nervous KU fans and probably even a few of KU’s coaches, likely are wishing that Zenger would do more. Call the Pac-12 and beg for a spot. Tell ’em how much more attractive KU is than Texas Tech. Dial up the Big Ten and explain to them all of the wonderful cultural and academic offerings that KU would bring. Hammer home to anyone who will listen the point about KU’s hoops program being truly elite, one of the best of all-time, a program with unparalleled tradition. All true. All irrelevant at the moment.
I’m not saying that Zenger shouldn’t be making calls. In the wake of last weekend’s comments from Oklahoma president David Boren, it’s safe to assume KU’s AD is making and taking a lot of calls these days. What I am saying is that panicking would be the worst move for Kansas right now. The conferences in question know exactly what KU brings to the table. Some like it. Others are merely luke warm about it. But it’s there. Groveling, pleading or, worse yet, mud-slinging only will harm KU’s image. And right now, in a situation driven by very little substance, image is everything.
With a new conference and another sexy scenario entering the picture almost every hour now, it doesn’t take a genius to see how fragile things are. A wink and a deal one minute can be blown to bits the next. Wanna know the easiest way for an AD to make sure the second part of that equation happens? Have him start running his mouth and beating his chest about what a great deal he pulled off. Poof! Gone.
But Zenger won’t do it. And it’s a smart move. Not for him, but for KU. By staying patient and in tune with everything that's going on out there, the Jayhawks are ensuring that they'll be fine when all this is over. More than a few people in the conference have told me that. So why mess it up by gravitating toward the spotlight?
While it may make some nervous and cause others to scratch their heads or pull their hair out, Zenger’s playing this thing just right. On the surface, Kansas is loyal to the Big 12 and, if circumstances allow, always will be. But a few layers deeper, there’s real action taking place and, believe it or not, both Zenger and KU chancellor Bernadette Gray-Little are right in the middle of it.
Remember, Zenger’s an old football coach. The man knows how to fight. Although it may look like he’s passively standing by, that’s anything but the case. There's a lot at stake here — both in terms of KU's position in the future of college athletics and legal ramifications — and a misstep one way or the other could not only jeopardize KU's spot at the big boy table but also could cost the university and/or the Big 12 a ton of money.

Here’s the deal; regardless of what Zenger does or does not do in the next couple of weeks, all that matters is how this thing turns out. If KU lands on its feet in one of the so-called power conferences — be it the Big East, Pac-12, Big Ten or even the Big 12 — then all of the anxiety many are feeling will be forgotten. Don’t buy it? Come talk to me in four or five weeks and I’ll ask you what happened in Kansas State’s football opener this weekend. Sure, the Wildcats’ 10-7 escape at home against Eastern Kentucky is fresh and kind of funny right now, but K-State won. And that’s all we’ll remember. The same would’ve held true a year ago had the Jayhawks found a way to sneak past North Dakota State, 10-6, 9-6, 8-6, whatever.
And that’s where we’re at with conference realignment, too.
Just before Jerry Maguire had his moment of clarity, the young son of a high-profile client who had just suffered a serious injury uttered a few choice words to the hot-shot sports agent. Born from the feeling that followed was Maguire’s mission statement: “The Things We Think and Do Not Say.”
At this point, I’m not sure if the Big 12 is going to survive or not. A week ago, I would’ve said yes. Two days ago I would’ve said no way. There’s a lot of talk regarding the league’s uncertain future right now. But it’s the things that aren’t said that could shape how this whole thing turns out. That includes pulling back on phrases like “Show me the money.”
I know this isn’t Hollywood. But you have to admit, it kind of feels like it.


http://www2.kusports.com/weblogs/tal...onference-rea/

I'd be trying to make sure the conference was getting other members lined up to keep it alive. Otherwise they will be all looking for leftovers. KU is in a bit of a better situation than ISU because of their basketball history. Still I would want a backup strategy.

The conference is not being kept alive. Aside from that...I agree. I don't understand how rerun assumes this isn't being done?

Simple answer: Texas badly miscalculated this thing.

They thought they had the ship righted and things stabilized their own little pet conference. Dan Beebe is a Texas stooge and they were certain he'd done his 'job' in creating their fiefdom.

As it turned out, Texas was terribly terribly wrong and Beebe inadvertently detonated the conference. By the time Texas realized it had all come apart, things were too far gone.

With a real commissioner in place rather than a UT puppet, the Big XII would have immediately moved to assuage Nebraska (and MU's) angst. They'd have been able to keep the XII intact and if they felt the need to expand, they could've used their traditional ties and geography to secure a major player like BYU.

Beebe didn't get fired because he did exactly what Texas told him to do. Unfortunately, dancing to that tune has dissolved the XII. Nicely done, asswipes. Very nicely done.

Because he was a Texas 'Yes' man and UT ran the conference.

I don't disagree with any of this post but I still think that the way Beebe dealt so favorably with the interests of Texas has more to do with the structure of the conference he inherited.

How could anyone become and keep the job of Big 12 commish and tell Texas to go **** themselves. It was an unsustainable situation.

Texas is mad dickish for being selfish and over playing their hand and other schools were naive to agree to it. It seems.

Which again excuses him for being reactive.

He had to know better than anyone how shaky the whole thing was. He had to know that Nebraska was looking to bolt and that tensions were running high.

He needed to get ahead of this thing. He needed to be talking to Texas like he was the adult in the room instead of just another petulant teenager trying to talk down a bunch of other petulant teenagers. It essentially turned into a high shool lockerroom fight with no coach involved anywhere to assuage egos before they got too far out of hand.

WTF was he doing as the XII commissioner if he wasn't trying to stay ahead of this mess?

**** Texas.

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/colle...UhWEeCUtGv7dNPBig East looking for 12 teams in football


By LENN ROBBINS
Last Updated: 8:43 AM, September 6, 2011
Posted: 2:11 AM, September 6, 2011

COLLEGE PARK, Md. -- It's all about Nov. 1, 2012.
That's the date the Big East Conference becomes a TV free agent. The league's goal is to be able to present such a solid, far-reaching and valuable product that it lands a deal in the neighborhood of the $4 billion package recently signed by the Pac-12.
So when you hear Big East and wonder why schools such as Missouri, Kansas and Kansas State are being mentioned, think Midwest TV markets. Maps are just a piece of paper with lines.
With Texas A&M poised to join the SEC, the Big East is looking to add those three Big 12 schools and grow to 12 football schools and swell to 20 in basketball.



If that seems unwieldy, think outside the box.
The Big East has studied the creation of four five-team divisions in basketball and two divisions -- East and West -- in football, The Post has learned.
In basketball it could mean each school having home-and-home games with the other four schools in its division and then playing crossover games from schools in other divisions. Some schools wouldn't play each other in a given year.
Football would split along geographical lines with Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri, Cincinnati, Louisville and TCU in the West Division, and UConn, Rutgers, Syracuse, Pitt, South Florida and West Virginia in the East.
Division winners would meet in a true conference championship game, with a BCS bowl game on the line.
The basketball splits likely would create some division but unless the non-FBS football schools (Georgetown, St. John's, et al) are willing to risk the very real possibility of the FBS football-playing schools breaking away, they'll agree to expansion and the new formats.
The non-football schools are very willing to accommodate the football schools for the sake of the league, several sources told The Post. A big check from TV revenue would assuage any hurt feelings.
These changes, of course, hinge on the Big 12 falling apart, which seems likely. With Texas A&M headed to the SEC, the Big 12 is down to nine schools with Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas and Texas Tech likely leaving for the Pac-12.
When one considers the Pac-12 would then grow to 16 teams in football and basketball, the 12-and-20 makeup of the Big East doesn't seem so radical.
John Swofford, commissioner of the ACC, all but shot down a report out of Austin that his league was interested in taking Rutgers, Syracuse, UConn and Texas.
He also alluded to the reason why the Big 12 is in trouble is because of the Longhorn Network and the uneven distribution of TV monies.
Swofford was asked if he would bring in any entity that created uneven distribution.
"I don't think that you ever say never about anything these days but that has been a very strong principle in our league since the middle '80s," he said. "I think that it's one that has a lot to do with the stability of conferences."
The two main potential stumbling blocks focus on Missouri. Missouri dearly covets an invite from the Big Ten, which recently invited Nebraska and showed little interest in the Tigers. That could change, though the Big Ten has only added two schools -- Penn State and Nebraska -- in the last 30 years.
The second scenario has Missouri going to the SEC as that school's 14th member. But Missouri does not see a good cultural fit with the SEC and might prefer the Big East. But by coming to the Big East with Kansas and K-State, Missouri maintains its relationship with two rivals.
lenn.robbins@nypost.com


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