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Palangi 02-21-2025 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch (Post 17975831)
Andy Reid would've rather played Suamataia over Humphries in the Super Bowl. That's how ****ing useless he is.

How do know this?

RunKC 02-21-2025 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by FloridaMan88 (Post 17975898)
Drafting Simmons would require signing Tyron Smith/similar veteran LT as a veteran stopgap.

No it wouldn’t. Rosenhaus already said he’d be a full go by camp. If you’re trading assets to move up for him he’s damn well starting week 1. You don’t move up for a project.

O.city 02-21-2025 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17975838)
He’s too stubborn and that’s what separates him and Belichick.

When Bill dominated teams with a 3-4 defense, teams tried copying it. Bill saw this and pivoted to a 4-3. Teams were drafting all of the 3-4 DL early which meant the traditional 4-3 DE’s would fall to him. Same in FA. That’s what made him outsmart everybody.

Andy has got to put his pride away and take advantage. Perfect example is the Broncos. They had the best pass rushing unit in football leading the league in sacks and pressures. Their one flaw was undersized DL. Bonitto and Cooper were 250 lbs and Zack Allen/John-Franklin Myers were 280 lbs.

The Bills recognized that huge disparity in size and just bullied the **** out of them running the ball down their throat and moving their smaller DL at will at will all day.

We are too one dimensional. That’s a major part of our asswhooping. These teams do not respect our run game at all. They know Andy doesn’t want to do it and they know we aren’t good at it, so they pin their ears back and rush the same as if they have a lead.
Andy watching our QB and OL struggle badly immediately and not even bothering to run the ball until the 12th offensive play of the game is full proof of this.

Not saying we should convert to a run first offense by any means, but we need to be 2 dimensional. We need to be able to run the ball well when needed which will open up play action.

We also need to help our QB. We can’t keep putting everything on him with little help.

Well for one, you don’t have to run the ball to be successful with play action.

But second and more importantly, we have Patrick Mahomes. We need to throw the ball…..a lot.

So figure out what he needs to get comfortable in the pocket and not freak out.

We’re all tap dancing around the fact that we seemingly need all this help for our elite qb to play at an elite level being an issue

O.city 02-21-2025 02:06 PM

If the qb doesn’t want all that put on him, he’s gonna need to take less money so we can go buy more weapons I guess

Sassy Squatch 02-21-2025 02:06 PM

LMAO Again, who the **** has said Mahomes has to have an absolutely stacked roster to be effective? We just need his tools to not be completely ****ing useless like certain aspects have been in 23 and 24.

kcbubb 02-21-2025 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17975921)
No it wouldn’t. Rosenhaus already said he’d be a full go by camp. If you’re trading assets to move up for him he’s damn well starting week 1. You don’t move up for a project.

Have you watched Simmons play? The guy can move and he has a good punch. He uses his hands well. Simmons is less of a project than any LT that we will ever get an opportunity to draft. He has the talent. With your view, we are never drafting a LT in the first round bc elite LTs don’t fall that far in the draft. This is a rare opportunity to draft a LT with elite top 10 traits. But no, I wouldn’t anticipate him starting week 1. He might be ready by mid season. And I’d give up him starting immediately to have a chance at Simmons starting at LT for the next decade. We really need to be our best by the playoffs anyway.

O.city 02-21-2025 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch (Post 17975928)
LMAO Again, who the **** has said Mahomes has to have an absolutely stacked roster to be effective? We just need his tools to not be completely ****ing useless like certain aspects have been in 23 and 24.

He had an mvp season with obj and Wylie as his tackles and you’re saying this past year or two was substantially worse than that.

It’s an opinion for sure

O.city 02-21-2025 02:08 PM

The eagles defenders were talking about Pat the way CP talks about Lamar Jackson

Sassy Squatch 02-21-2025 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17975932)
He had an mvp season with obj and Wylie as his tackles and you’re saying this past year or two was substantially worse than that.

It’s an opinion for sure

Ah, so you're just being a disingenuous little bundle of sticks. Got it.

O.city 02-21-2025 02:12 PM

You said “completely useless”

So that’s worst in the league territory. No?

kcbubb 02-21-2025 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17975924)

We’re all tap dancing around the fact that we seemingly need all this help for our elite qb to play at an elite level being an issue

Hello? Tom Brady needed elite protection to be the best all time. The patriots invested heavily in their oline and got cheap free agents at WR & RB. They always prioritized protecting Brady. Just bc Mahomes needs a good oline doesn’t mean that he is not elite. Or maybe I misunderstood your point? Surely you aren’t saying that Mahomes isn’t elite bc he needs protection?

Sassy Squatch 02-21-2025 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17975942)
You said “completely useless”

So that’s worst in the league territory. No?

Our WR room in 2023 and LT rotations in 2024 were absolutely worst on the league territory.

DRM08 02-21-2025 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17975927)
If the qb doesn’t want all that put on him, he’s gonna need to take less money so we can go buy more weapons I guess

Or the team needs to do what other teams are doing. Void Years to stack the roster. Fighting with one arm tied behind your back. Other teams pay their QB's big money, big money receivers, big money RB's, big money OL, big money defense. Void Years all over the place. KC is damn near last in the league on Void Year usage.

staylor26 02-21-2025 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 17975952)
Or the team needs to do what other teams are doing. Void Years to stack the roster. Fighting with one arm tied behind your back. Other teams pay their QB's big money, big money receivers, big money RB's, big money OL, big money defense. Void Years all over the place. KC is damn near last in the league on Void Year usage.

The way the Chiefs handle that is what will allow them to be contenders for the entirety of Mahomes career as a Chief.

Your SB window with Jalen Hurts isn't 10 years like it is with Mahomes.

It's absolutely hilarious that the Chiefs are in the AFCCG at worst every year and you people act like they're just wasting prime Mahomes years being cheap. That is 100% not the case, and it's just today's narrative because of the Eagles success.

Chris Meck 02-21-2025 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17975924)
Well for one, you don’t have to run the ball to be successful with play action.

But second and more importantly, we have Patrick Mahomes. We need to throw the ball…..a lot.

So figure out what he needs to get comfortable in the pocket and not freak out.

We’re all tap dancing around the fact that we seemingly need all this help for our elite qb to play at an elite level being an issue

Why would a defense honor the run if they know you won't run? This is silly.


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