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*****The Kingsley Suamataia Thread*****
(https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=353240)
I'd guess it was more "he got beat fast vs Morris gets beat slow"
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Look at the game where Wanya was out a series and we all thought he tore his ACL. Kingsley still struggled badly.
Kid needs time to fix his technique. This isn’t the Eric Fisher early years with Alex Smith. We’re going for a threepeat. Wanya is clearly the better option right now. Just means Kingsley has a ways to go |
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Rice is going to miss just six games next year if we are lucky. I know we will have him what it counts, but we need a good replacement for those games too.
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https://youtu.be/LDIuqidcT0c?si=t2PJOENB8AqpO-uz
Look at this shit at the 2 minute mark. Wanya commits illegal use of hands and STILL barely even slows down Wilson and renders the play DOA. |
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C'mon kid... we're going to need ya.
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Welp, may be time to bring back Donovan Smith.
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He's getting beat the majority of reps. Having to chip or have RB really limits the offense.
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Chiefs better have Smith on the phone at halftime if Morris is seriously hurt, this dude will end Mahomes’ season at some point. Not acceptable having him in the game.
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A part of me wants to believe with enough reps maybe he turns the corner before the playoffs
Another part of me does not want to test this theory and watch Mahomes die Decisions... |
On average, he’s more likely the perform better than Wayna on any particular play.
but when he misses, it simply destroys the play, and runs the risk of destroying 15. |
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He cannot be allowed to play. |
LT incoming
Can’t believe we have ****ed around all season thinking we were fine at the position |
Skyy Less left tackle.
Looks like another 2nd round bust. |
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Kingsley is not even a turnstyle he's like a mario kart speed boost
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I don’t believe they can win the Super Bowl with Kingsley as starting LT this year. Maybe in the future as he gets more experience. He’s gonna need one hell of a fast learning curve for it to happen this year.
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It’s crazy that Wanya is such a clear better option, and he’s not a good player
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It was always the question position. Pretty well answered. I'm always wary of great athletes who need technique work on the OL. Yeah, maybe it works out great, but it's pretty damn high risk. Guess that's the reality when you're drafting late.
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Unfortunately, one of his misses could end our whole season. |
So is it just impossible to find decent left tackle play? At this point I’m starting to think we should have just extended OBJ even though I was against that originally (shows what I know). He was having a really good season this year in Cincinnati prior to getting injured and he’s making significantly less than Taylor. Is Andy Heck maybe not getting the job done?
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I want to belief but this guy is getting destroyed
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It’s a premium position demanding premium pay. The top prospects are gone in the Top 15 (both factors make this a difficult problem for us). Even someone solid is going to demand a king’s ransom at a position where solid demands a premium price. I miss Eric Fisher, man. Gotta wonder if his achilles was set to go, or if that one inconsequential play in Buffalo was hugely consequential to the longterm trajectory of our line (for better and worse). |
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At all. |
He may have the "traits" but he is absolutely not ready for the NFL. If Morris is out we can't have this guy. He's so far from where he needs to be I don't know how he can be allowed meaningful snaps to improve.
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I mean THE WORST. |
He's not an NFL player.... not now... not any time soon.
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Thank God I believe Jaden Hicks is going to be a great player because we set pick 63 on fire this year.
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He needs to work with his cousin Sewell this off-season.
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It's my fault for adopting him, sorry
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This guy does not belong in the NFL.
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On the positive side, Wanya has looked better each week.
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Man.
He looked good in the Ravens game, perfectly acceptable. And it's just been a total nosedive from there. We are officially in deep shit at the LT position. |
Such a terrible game. At least 3 times he barely even got a hand on his guy. They just ran right past him. I'm so glad Wanya came back in.
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It was also interesting to see how bad Steele was in pass pro. He did just about everything wrong.
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Man this guy is just not ready.
How bad would it be to just make Thuney our LT and move Morris to G. Yeah we will be awful at guard and only marginally better at LT but better overall Id argue. |
He was awful, not remotely ready
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Go sign Donovon Smith or Bakhtiari
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Yeah. Woof. Don’t really care if all his mistakes are coachable. There’s a looooot of mistakes to fix, and I don’t know if that’s possible.
Don’t give up on Kingsley, but yeah. Weekly inactive. Sign somebody else. Lord. |
I think this dude might be the worst Chiefs LT I've ever seen. He makes Damien Mcintosh look like an all pro
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welp I guess this means Suamataia will develop into a pro bowler in 2 years |
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yeah he is 21. Use as a backup and get a starter in there until kid develops |
You have to sign Smith this week just in case.
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I just wanna say he was bad, but not as bad as I think is being suggested.
Bonitto wrecked him. Just absolutely destroyed him every time. But he held his own against the other two guys. Don't get me wrong - when your weakness is THAT bad, you're a problem. But it really was just the one weakness - he was really exposed protecting his outside shoulder against speed. This wasn't Cam Erving where whatever you did you'd beat him. This was a situation where a guy who had the outside burst to attack him wide just ate his lunch. One problem is easier to fix than multiple. |
It's probably not worth trying him in an actual game because he was also really raw, but I wonder if Ethan Driskell has made much progress.
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I'm really struggling to see what got Reid so enamored with this kid. Sure, the athletic traits are there for an elite OT but he's shown absolutely nothing to make anyone believe that he'll ever be able to translate them to on the field results.
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Overcorrection on Kingsley's part? |
Most of his mistakes were mental or technique errors like he didn't know the play
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Who have we had for him to even practice against that can prepare him for that? |
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The two real hard hits on Mahomes were just pure outside speed. |
I have no faith with Andy Heck coaching up a rookie tackle. Even the recent free agent veteran ones we bring in regress under his tutelage.
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I just don't see how you're going to be able to fix the footwork to make it feasible at the NFL level. He legit looks like he's playing with concrete for shoes.
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It's not his feet. They're plenty quick. He's just really reluctant to commit to his punch and so he just...doesn't make one. He has the feet for the job. He just doesn't trust that his initial punch is going to land so he lets the DL dictate the rep. And when it's a guy as fast and aggressive as Bonitto, he's just gonna get his ass kicked. |
Sign him Veach…
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="qme" dir="ltr"> <a href="https://t.co/YP888y2TZh">pic.twitter.com/YP888y2TZh</a></p>— Donovan Smith (@DSmith_76) <a href="https://twitter.com/DSmith_76/status/1855718725112246495?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 10, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> |
Old man river, please save our season.
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If Fisher didn't get death threats his first season, I'd be slightly surprised
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MAYBE.... we could put a pool at left tackle and have Kingsley jump out of the pool and block someone.
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Which means two things. 1) The LT this season MUST be either Wanya or preferably Donovan Smith. But they both need to be on the roster so that Kingsley can be removed from any chance at cracking the lineup this year. 2) We cannot go into 2025 trusting Kingsley to be the LTOTF. Veach is going to have to address this position as priority #1 entering the offseason. It might even cost us Trey Smith or Thuney, but something has to be done. |
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This is beyond just rookie growing pains. |
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Like after today, I’ll consider anything salvaged as a win with this player but there is not a chance in hell that he becomes a sure starter at LT by next year. Wanya was better as a rookie. Smith needs to be brought back as the starter, and Wanya the backup. Kingsley can redshirt the rest of the year and hopefully become functional as even just a swing tackle for the future. It’s pick 63, those don’t usually become franchise LTs. But damn, ya gotta be better than this. |
I’m no Joshua Brisco fan, but what he writes here is accurate: https://x.com/jbbrisco/status/1855749574104604917?s=46
If we knew Wanya would stay healthy all year, that would probably be fine enough to still win. A veteran may not be any better. But we cannot risk what happens if Wanya gets hurt again, especially in the middle of the playoffs. You can’t see what we’ve seen from Kingsley and allow that to be your depth plan for injury at either tackle spot. |
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At least we were still able to run a normal high flying offense with Cam. The Chiefs clearly don't trust Kingsley enough for that. If we tried to run a 2019 offense with Kingsley in with all the deep drop backs and deep plays, Mahomes would die. |
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