It's awful...the anchor tenant is a furniture store. It is not an entertainment district that would draw out of town fans. The raceway attracts people 2-3x/ year? Sporting plays 2-3x a month for 8-9 months? They have trouble keeping restaurants staffed due to the uneven traffic, and those are mostly terrible chains. The only plan for the empty husk Cerner building is senior living! It only checks the parking space box, the rest is barely an improvement over the existing due to the location.

The Chiefs will re-brand and its easier to do in Kansas.

No 3-peat. Dynasty over.

No way the NFL does KC and Clark any favours now. Taylor Swift can't even save them. Embarrassing that Jackson county is chasing away the golden goose.

Those stadiums have out lasted many from their time at the location. The whole reason they were able to come here in the first place was because of the cheap land.

If anything blame the Royals for staying during the downtown renaissance or repeatedly blowing through deadlines on this project. Hell they put out 2 renderings, one up north the other in the east village. Then a month before the freakin election they announce the Crossroads, Change the announcement that they will keep Oak St open when early voting already started, Some group that was pro "Yes" sending out a mailer to a county that's probably 60% Democrat saying how the left wants to take away your stadiums, and on the day of the election come to an agreement with the Crossroads community.

Axiom Strategies should be fired into the sun

You can't build a viable "entertainment district" when your anchor has 10 events and maybe a few concerts /yr. You need young people with money and a lot more than a few outlet stores and a water park mostly famous for a decapitation.

LMAO

You're full of shit here you know that?

OMG that dude is King Carl on steroids with the arrogance.You are asking the poor and middle class to fund billionaires vanity projects.

What I heard from my friends in KC was they were upset that it seemed a plan to make game day better for the rich. All those middle class people saw the Chiefs wanted to build a road so the rich wont have to wait in line to get in and out? The middle class who have filled that stadium for decades, they can wait in line.

Yeah they just build a casino and are putting in a Lego themed amusement park and a Margaritaville because that area is STRUGGLING!

Just say you are terrified of the thought of spending your money in Kansas. Be honest with the class.

You're a brat, not a serious person.

Sarcasm or reeruned?

It's hard to compete with a Taco Bell, Casey's, and a few roach motels, after all.

Legoland...just what NFL fans crave

Lego park?

Stadium Watch 2024 -Jackson County Residents: How Are You Voting?
 

As for Margaritaville, that feels like one of those things that is built right before the Olympics (World Cup in this case) that turns into an abandoned location just a few years later.

I wonder if Jackson County waited until after the election until they revealed this news.

https://www.kctv5.com/2024/04/02/jac...ng-wait-times/

LMAO

Everyone agrees the surrounds of Truman sucks...that's why tailgating there became world-renowned. The big advantage is a central location, giant parking lot, and great highway access. Chiefs Nation has adapted to the crappy surrounds by erecting enormous tents, buying $1,500 grills and learning to smoke meat like professionals, and making it their own entertainment district (Donovan just can't figure out a way to capitalize on it though).

People bitch about the traffic leaving Arrowhead already, imagine a location at the west edge of the metro, how many fans will be willing to spend an extra 30-45 each way to an already long day? Not sure, but I'm pretty sure the game day experience will be inferior to the current, and I don't think Chiefs fans are going to spend much time in legoland after the game or populate Margaritville hotel in December. Life after PM may suck.

Woogieman is shooooooooooook

You're fixating on Legoland when the important stuff is hotels, restaurants and bars. A quick glance at the map shows about a dozen hotels and twice as many restaurants at Legends vs. two shitty hotels, a Taco Bell, and a Subway near Arrowhead.

You're right - the tailgating experience would be diminished significantly, and some people will have to drive further. If that was important, perhaps the locals should have voted in favor of keeping Arrowhead where it is.

About as many fans as the stadium will hold....I'm guessing about 80,000 fans would be willing. You really think they won't be selling out every game anymore?

Voting no does not equate to people wanting the Chiefs to move.

I'm shook at the stupidity I see...people that cavalierly dismiss the economic and entertainment impact of losing the Royals. I'm shook at the low-bar folks that only go to the legends for a throw rug and 10% off a pair of Nikes suddenly believe the Chiefs can build an entertainment district that will attract people for more than 10X a year

Clark is close with Jerry Jones. He’s probably talked to Jerry about moving from Irving to Arlington which is very similar to what’s happening here.

Clark wants to host a SB. He wants more fan engagement. He wants to make more money. He needs a new stadium and Legends KCK is a perfect place to do it

It’s a Mattel brand amusement park

Shut up

Do you think everyone lives in Raytown? Legends is closer to OP, about the same distance from downtown, not significantly further to the Northland... yeah, people in Independence/Blue Springs might have to suck it up and drive an extra 30 minutes like most of the metro does now... :shrug:

Your opinions are pretty dogshit on this matter to be fair

Yes, the Chiefs 8-10 times a year. Plus.....

Concerts. Final Fours. Super Bowls. etc, etc, etc.

Well sure, but it sure swings the pendulum pretty far in that direction, don't you think?

Let's bring this back...the whole impetus for moving from Arrowhead was the Chief's need to create additional revenue sources, to build their own hotels, concert venue etc. If the legends already has that, how will the Chiefs create new revenue streams? If they punt on the new revenue streams, then why move? At some point, they will need to improve the infrastructure, but I just don't see that location at an improvement for the fans (not that they care). I certainly don't sdee the legends as a destination for most NFL die-hards that travel, although it would be attractive for fans with kids, but I don't think that is the target demo.

Thought that was funny. What do you think people are already doing now? LMAO

And 100%, I'd go to YardHouse at Legends or even Barley's down the road before games, if not tailgating... making fun of pretty much any area in the metro over where the stadiums are located now is absurd.

What are the odds woogie is 65 years old and lives in lees summit and hasn’t been to the legends since 2010?

TSC was built in the 70s when it was envisioned that area would become desirable due to eastern sprawl especially at the intersection of 435/70. That hasn't happened and the area now is run down and industrial - enjoy local roads with no sidewalks, the views of the fellowship of Christian athletes and the hospitality at the burned down Denny's and abandoned Adams Mark. The bones of the stadiums themselves may be not be too bad but the surrounding landscape severely hampers the ability to generate revenue. Donovan was entirely correct. No real estate developer is sinking millions into apartments or offices in that area. You aren't going to get professionals and you also aren't going to get families either as it's in a weak school district.

Between increased attendance and rent from surrounding properties Downtown is far more valuable to the Royals and their ability to be consistently competitive whilst mixed use development for the Chiefs or the inclusion of things like a roof is far more justifiable at Village West because the existing development is already there to accommodate visitors.

The Save the K bandwagon is going to lose either way and I suspect in 10 years time that TSC is no more. It's a relic.

I 100% will go to more games if they move out by Legends. I could avoid renting a car entirely and just hang out in the area all weekend before and after the game. I only go to games every year or two as it is - it's just too much of a pain in the ass to get to Arrowhead on a quick trip.

Whether I'm in the majority or not, I can't say, but I'm confident I'm not completely alone.

If we could just get Kansas to legalize recreational, there would be no reason to go to Missouri.

You’re out of your element and old and no nothing about real estate

The Legends would become the football equivalent of the Braves' Battery... except less walkable.

And if you think Hunt is going to sink hundreds of millions into a facility that allows for Lot A levels of booze and food consumption that the team doesn't see a dime from..

I've thought about staying in the Crossroads before a game, but end up staying with friends/family just to make it easier to get to a game without needing to rent a car. It wouldn't be the end of the world, but it's often during the playoffs when tickets and flights can be last minute, so adding a rental and downtown parking is just something else that (for myself, anyway) is easily avoided.

The Legends would definitely fix some of those concerns and would take away the feeling that you have to be all over the city for a place to stay, a place to drink/eat, and then a 3rd place for the game.

Goddamn woogie, you got dominated in this thread. Maybe you should post less and save yourself the embarrassment.

"An extra 30 minutes" in normal traffic, much longer in game day traffic. You conveniently leave out Lee's Summit, Liberty, all of Cass. My hope is that if/when they leave Arrowhead, will it just be a ridiculous money grab (more suites, fewer seats) and will the current game day experience turn into the same game day as about 30 other NFL teams...bland, corporate co-opting of the tailgating, because you know that's the goal.

You're about as scared of this extra driving as downtown ballpark voters were of parking their SuperDuty.

This is the weirdest ****ing city I swear, OMG traffic, if you think traffic in KC is bad I emplore you to go anywhere else, drive in Houston during rush hour makes traffic here feel like a mild breeze.

The pendulum was a giant stinky turd tied to a stick. The proposal was really that terrible. The Royals did a major disservice to everyone with this rushed proposal that failed to answer any of the important questions. The most important details in the proposal that could/should have swayed local taxpayers amounted to a defensive "Trust us, Bro." It couldn't have been planned any worse. Nobody I know who voted NO wants either team to move out of the city. We want a proposal that isn't simply a $2B blank check.

Though he wouldn't necessarily be prevented from owning/investing in many of those businesses.

It's what a lot of the baseball stadiums are doing. The team is building a 'community park' with a bunch of bars and such that they own. It's a racket, but it appears to be working out for them.

No, I think they would, but there would be huge changes. The Arrowhead experience is unique in the world, and I think a move to corporateville would dismantle that. I don't think anything is improved from a fan's persepctive (unless you live in Shawnee or Bonner!). I think Donovan and company gave us glimpses of the future during the draft...Chiefs/sponsored tents only with $12 beers, $18 cheeseburgers and make you pay to bring in tents and grills.

The idea of the Chiefs in Kansas makes me want to puke.

This team deserves better than to be associated with that disgusting state.

Then move to ****ing Houston.

That's the point - people don't WANT to deal with Houston traffic trying to get through downtown KC.

It's a legitimate concern. You're the most haughty goddamn communist I've ever met.

You legit live in a toilet bowl.

Shut up bitch

Not in favor of it, but a dome would bring events nearly every weekend...

Who plays stadiums any more? Taylor Swift and Kenny Chesney? Yay. A final Four and a Super Bowl would be cool, but not at the expense of our current Arrowhead experience.

Well the entire country is built on everyone owning a car, traffic comes with that.

This is gonna suck for you to hear, Arrowhead is old as hell and is not going to be around forever.

Donovan is firing up the deep concrete scanner as we speak.

And they're finding cancer everywhere in them ol' bones.

Yes - and people need food, clothing and shelter. The amount they're willing to pay for those things often determines where they live.

To pretend these decisions don't come based in large part on a simple question of degrees is just being obtuse.

It isn't the location of Kansas that is the problem.

It's replacing the AFC's version of Soldier Field with the AlamoDome in a redneck suburban shopping complex or a yuppie suburban shopping complex.

That and I'd be surprised that they retain the Chiefs moniker.

A huge reason this plan they proposed sucks is because in 15 years the Chiefs will want a new stadium.

You're not and it will absolutely be more convenient for Kansans. The question is: will the tailgate be co-opted (Donovan has clearly stated they need to create more revenue streams), will the atmosphere be the same or even similar, and how much higher will ticket prices be to pay for the shiny new toys? How much will your taxes go up to pay for maintenance, and will it be worth it for a game day experience that nobody believes to be improved? What benefit will Chiefs Nation get?

Yeah, I've got friends in KC, but only one who I'm comfortable asking to crash at their place (and certainly not someone I'd ask to borrow a car from). The choices are basically to rent a car largely so I can go and pay even more money to park at the stadium or to deal with the cluster**** that is getting an Uber after a game.

Columbia is nicer than any city in Kansas.

Went to Lawrence one time to visit a friend who made an incredibly poor college decision and thought I had been transported to Sadr City.

What a gross place.

LMAO You do realize that a huge portion of the country already thinks the Chiefs play in Kansas, yeah?

The Chiefs experience as we know it will be over.

Sterile, boring stadium. Corporate chain restaurants surrounding the place. Little to no tailgating. A severely muted atmosphere. Likely a soft rebrand of the team.

Oh and everything, despite being much worse in every way, will be way more expensive.

Cherish these next five years because it’s about to come to an end.

Kansas and greed ruin everything.

Things being co-opted is going to happen either way, they desire to squeeze every last dollar they can out of the fan experience.

LMAOLMAOLMAOLMAOLMAOLMAO

Columbia is a shithole

Game Day as it currently exists is an all-day affair. Addng another 1-2 hrs to it just isn't feasible for those with kids. It's not about traffic per se (I voted Yes despite the parking concerns), it's the overall time frame you have to budget in. Decades-long season ticket holders will inevitably opt out, when the prices go way up, parking goes to $80, and beer hit $16 for a 12 oz. It's an accumulation of factors that will ruin it for some and benefit others. It's hard to imagine a scenario where the intimidating home field advantage the Chiefs enjoyed for so long will be the same.

Legends only adds 10 minutes from Liberty and 15 from Lee's Summit, 14 minutes from Harrisonville. Game day traffic should wash out.

Rumors are starting up on Arrowhead Pride that Hunt wants to go to San Antonio. Just the messenger.

The Missouri Kansas thing is weird as **** to me, just me I guess.

Seven years.

If you are going to the Chiefs game with kids you have first world problems, that shit is expensive as ****.

It has begun lol....

This will never happen.

Jerry Jones would throw a ****ing fit if they tried to put another team in Texas...San Antonio is not a big market oh and someone already tried the threatening to move to Austin game and Austin was like uh yea we don't want a team get bent.

Downtown is a dump

Are you right about anything?

https://www.bestboomertowns.com/town...mbia-missouri/

https://money.cnn.com/magazines/mone...PL2915670.html

They'd probably put it on one of those suburbs between Austin and San Antonio.

Yeah I personally hope both teams move to KS it would be nice not having to pay for them

Is there a proposal the Royals could make that makes the Crossroads viable or do they need to come back with a new location to get something passed in Jackson County?

They could start by having a well laid out plan that answers the questions people have.