Joystick II "The Rapper"

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Interesting Bills Fans takes...

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I think so.

He was a QB in high school graded as a 3 star athlete and becomes a first rounder.

Seems like he would be smart to not engage reporters or fans.

Says he started with music as a way to avoid trouble.

Could be quite a character.

Ok I see why the Giants didn’t like him

Needs a little mentoring in professionalism, obviously.

If the Faiders traded for him, we would all be laughing our asses off at them.

Hopefully the Chiefs locker room can mature him.


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Eisen is our 'this years' groupie hoe - I'm okay with it really though - I like Rich, very likeable.

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We have taken on a lot of players with bad attitudes, behavior issues on teams and off the field Hill, Kelce etc. most have turned out alright. No way a Mahomes locker room allows a player to be a distraction in the locker room.

If this dude stays the same with us, no big deal. High upside to place a bet on.

I definitely see a lot of Dante Hall in his game... Welcome to KC Toney!

God damn it. I meant to click the thumbs up.
sorry man.

Mostly dumb shit.

Just absolutely disgusting filthy stuff - I know exactly why we went and got him looking at these highlights.

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I remember Toney well in the draft last year. He's basically a Percy Harvin kind of guy. When I saw the Giants got him I knew he'd be a wasted talent. But in THIS offense, he'll be a star. He's definitely a bonafide first round talent. Veach is all about maximizing value, he definately did that here.

Hats off to Brett Veach, best GM in the NFL.

Yeah, he's obviously very talented. Prime Sammy Watkins level running ability after the catch. At the very least. And near Tyreek level suddenness. Didn't see a lot of deep throws to him, I'll have to see if I can find some.

The real question is how does Dante post this stuff so fast.

Plays just like Percy Harvin with the same speed, shiftiness and attitude. When those guys are on top of their game, it doesn’t matter what defenses try to do to stop them. Him pairing with Mahomes, Kelce snd Skyy for the forseable future should terrify teams. Especially if we’re able to keep Juju around for a few years to go with them.

This is such a fun time to be a chiefs fan.

So, this maybe Q, but I thought it was interesting because Bart Scott is a well-known Chiefs hater (predicted us not to make the playoffs before the season started) thinks it's unfair that Toney was traded to KC.
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I saw an NFL live clip where they called him Frogger because of the way he moves around. That's awesome.

I think you can tell alot about a player by how they interact with the media - he seems to be relaxed and enjoy answering their questions. There are a few questions you can tell he doesn't like (they seemed to be needling him over pointless stuff) but for the most part he seemed respectful and open. Has a pretty good sense of humor at 2:48 in the second video

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Watching him shred to pieces a very good Cowboys defense last year was impressive. If he can stay healthy and show discipline and willingness to learn the system, it could be a massive steal. He reminds me of a faster more athletic Debo Samuel, though less of a running back type. Just his style of play. And his ability to throw the ball is neat.
I am assuming he is healthy now or the deal wouldn't have been made. We have the best fitness and conditioning staff in the entire league. I see something special brewing here.

Risky - dude has an attitude problem.

Hopefully he just needs a change of scenery. I think he will respect Mahomes/Reid enough to stay in line similar to when Rodman went to Bulls. Not saying this guy is a HOFer but sometimes guys like him just need strong leadership from a well respected player/HC which I believe NYG lack.

Again, this might be Q, but this Kardarius highlight porn gets some tight shots of his footwork as well as his feel for the WR position.
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If this guy can stay healthy, and he's not really the mental case he looks like on social media, this might be a pretty nice deal.

I think he has an attitude problem because they kept saying he was injured when he wasn't injured. Idk. It's the Giants it be hard not to be disgruntled playing for them. I'm giving him benefit of doubt because I trust Barney Venezuela and Andy Reid. They do their homework.

I think they're bringing him in for kick returns.

Yeah, except Andy and Veach just aren't that short-sighted. Everything they do is from the long-range perspective. This guy is an elite man-beater. Everyone's been playing man against us this season, and most of our receivers are having trouble at times getting open. This guy can get open whenever he wants. And then there's his juice with the ball. At times I think he's just clowning guys because he can.

Obviously, it's a long shot, a true roll of the dice. But this guy could be our future WR1 next year.

Watch the media day interviews I posted - I think that says more about his character than rumor...

Can't watch them while im at work on my contraband phone but I'll check it out in the morning before I zonk out probably.

What is the risk though? Like if it doesn't work out what is the damage? A comp pick? Compare that to the potential. I don't see any risk here. Dude isn't going to take down this locker room. No chance.

The Giants weren't worth stepping on the field for. The Chiefs are worth it and some. That's his logic IMO. A Winning atmosphere makes all the difference.

Much, much, much more like how we use Hardman.

Lol, JFC. The Giants are 6-1. Are they the Chiefs? No. But if you can't motivate yourself to step on the field for a 6-1 team that is clearly turning things around with a new coach and new culture, then you're the problem. I'm not drawing any hard lines in the sand here, because I think he's worth a flyer, especially when it's essentially a 6th. But some people are doing some serious hand waving when it comes to his behavior.

It's like a woman that thinks she's going to change a guy who's a real douchebag. "Oh, he'll be different with me. I'm special." Yeah, maybe. People change. And sometimes people are exactly who they show themselves to be.

This is a bad look. The guy has the maturity of a 12 year old.

He’s cakn patna

How long will it take to get this knucklehead up to speed in the offense?

I don't hate this move, just wish it could've been DE or OT

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He's a shit head. Traded because he isn't a team guy.

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Lots of broken ankles and lost jock straps in that reel

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He cost them virtually nothing. There's nothing preventing them from going and getting another player.

There's no risk at all. You're absolutely right.

Actually we could have a better comp pic in the 3rd than the one we traded away if someone gives Hardman a big contract this off season.

We're going to have a lot of cap space and a lot of holes to fill. When it's all said and done, it's entirely feasible we acquire more than we lose, which means no comp picks.

The next 2-3 years we will have to decide on major contracts for Creed, Sneed, Trey, Bolton etc.

It'll never stop. We will be competing for a SB every year without sacrificing the future for a single year. Difficult decisions to let fantastic players walk or trade before their last year of the contract will occur every year.

This year it'll be Jones that could be traded. They traded Hill. They could trade Jones. Guarantee you and anyone else that Veach already has that mapped out on some board.

You nor I know how long Vlademer has been wanting this guy. Maybe they had him scouted but didn't get to pull the trigger on in in the draft so this is the opportunity they got to get him. He is a young player and Skyy isn't cutting it in the return game and becoming a liability so you can say long term but we also have short term needs. I won't be surprised if he gets his hands on fielding the ball in ST. He can be everything you say he is and that's fine but he has just another week to learn the playbook and they can have an immediate impact him fielding the football. He very well be in long term scope of thing but in the NFL it's what have you done for me lately. We are putting up points in bunches but it takes the field to do it. We need to shorten the field. Now of course I could be wrong and he isn't here to field kicks and just learn the playbook and be another target for Mahomes but it is a crowded WR room. They still want to get the ball to Skyy and let him prove himself.

They know they have too prepare for the next game and if we aren't getting a good kick return bet bottom dollar they are going try what they may to fix that. That's not being short sighted when we have had that problem since week one.

Chiefs could have the scariest duo if Justyn Ross pans out.

Disagree.
Whether we start at the 25 or the 33 yard line doesn't matter anymore.

We gave up two picks including a third for him. There is risk although it’s not much.

That 3rd rounder is a pick we wouldn't even have if Ryan Poles hadn't gone to Chicago. It was essentially "free" and it's not even in the 3rd round, it's after the 3rd but before the 4th.

There's no risk really.

Okay but that has value. This isn't "free". It's being used to acquire a first round talent with high upside to go along with character and injury issues. I like the move, but no matter how we got that "end of 3rd round" pick, we had it. And spent it on Toney.

Toney's value is so much more than a 3rd round comp pick.

He clearly does NOT use commas when he texts! Very concerning!

I don’t get this rationale. Are you arguing that the picks have no value?

You can argue that the picks don’t have that much value but there clearly is value in a third and sixth round pick. Especially in today’s NFL where teams covet draft picks so much. We’ve seen Veach hit on good late round picks such as Trey smith, sneed and Watson. We won’t have as many opportunities to find those types of players because we will have less picks.

Kommas.

I'm saying that Toney's potential so far outweighs the cost of the picks that they're really not worth talking about.

Probably the better argument is that after giving up the picks, we still have 5 2023 draft picks in the first 4 rounds, and 11 picks overall.

I'm not sure this trade is mainly about future seasons, but maybe more about Buffalo in the playoffs.

Exactly.

Look, Toney could flame out. There's definitely a risk of that.

But if he comes in focused and integrates himself into the locker room and offense, the upside is off the charts.

We need to remember that our draft class this year is an anomaly. Getting this many contributors in year 1 is unheard of. Unless you are a terrible rebuilding team. Our last 1 that is even comparable is 2008.

If we used a 6th to move up a few spots in the third round of next year’s draft to take exactly Toney, we’d all love it.

We still have 3 years of him on a rookie contract (if we exercise that 5th year). This year can be his redshirt year to learn the offense, then 3 full years.

A third round pick would need a year to assimilate to the team, then 3 full years.

So we basically took Toney in the third round of next year’s draft. Worth the draft slot? I’d say so.

It's basically a fourth rounder pick. Draft picks are severely overrated here.

:thumb:

Get a first round talent for 3 years for a fourth round pick.

It's a 2-0 fastball right down the middle. Take a swing.

It would be one thing if we were giving up a pick for a short-term fix, who will need an extension right away. Then I’d be out.

Having cheap control of talent is the beauty of draft picks for this team. With Toney, we still have that cheap control.

I’m in.

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3 years left at under $6M with a 5th year option. CHEAP.

You wanna be able to sign Willie Gay and or Sneed or whoever? These are the types of moves you have to try to get some value.

Exactly. Moves like this give us so much flexibility, both in terms of future draft picks and salary cap hits.

hell yeah SNR! Agreed,,,,,,,,

And koncerning!

Now they gotta look form something like this on the defense. Chaisson would make similar sense but he's on IR>

Klearly

I still think they should go get Hughes. He's so cheap and would probably only cost a late round pick. They could get Hughes and still have some room to play around with acquiring more.

He would make the most sense for someone for sure.

The Chiefs seem to be checking in on all the pass rushers, so I'm guessing they do something.

Yep.

They said it best on Times Ours. You just gave up what is essentially a 4th round pick to draft Toney minus 1.5 years of his contract.

Konsidered name khange to kkkrow but probably not a good idea.