He also posted a basically “goodbye” post about 10 days ago. Talked about KC in past tense.

What rookie WR's are you talking about? Hardman? The LATE 2nd round pick that only had 2 years of experience at WR? That guy?

Or LATE 5th round pick Powell?

We talking about Tyreek Hill who was a goddamn RB coming out of college?

Who are these rookie WR's that Reid failed to develop?

Like they did Eric Berry

I would bet big money that you were a miserable bitch back then too

Ugh...big star trades bug me regardless of the deal, still get attached to players.

Have to say I'm excited about the possibilities and seeing this maneuvering play itself out though. Didn't appear we had any choice anyway.

The whole Andy Reid and rookie WR thing is overblown.

Tyreek and Hardman were basically gadget guys in year 1 learning how to play the position on top of learning the scheme and they both had over 500 yards.

Whatever WR we draft will likely be a more polished WR.

He was a 5th round comp choice, so practically the 6th round at that point.

Nothing is a sure thing by then. Far from it.

What does that have to do with completely whiffing on the Cornell Powell draft pick?

It is okay to excuse a 5th round WR draft pick not making the active roster all season because the Chiefs "needed to rebuild the offensive line"?

LMAO

No. It’s ok because they still had arguably the best draft in the NFL last year.

As I process this....I am depressed.

Maybe Veatch thinks he can win no matter who is in the system.

I hope so.

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It's not as if We've been unsuccessful without Hill. We still put up points without him in the lineup.

The bottom line is we get extra draft capital to shore up other areas of need. Juju & Hardman are guys who can make a difference too.

I will miss him. But we just weren't in a position to give him the money he wanted.

Not-likely-to-be-earned incentives count against the following year's cap when they're earned. This doesn't reflect that.

At TE O'Shaugnessy, then Chessun, Conley and D'AT. Not counting Da'Ron Brown or other 7th round / UDFA guys that aren't coming to mind when it feels like only Pringle managed to contribute.

Reid took a 5th round RB and turned him into a WR so prolific people are cutting themselves over his trade.

He took a late 2nd rnd WR with 2 years of experience at the position and turned him into a solid 500+ yard a season receiver.

I'm trying to find this rookie receiver he FAILED to develop. Because i see some goddamn abnormal success, not failures.

I would LOVE to see what Reid/Mahomes can do with an actual polished receiver.

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Neither is Mahomes. He could have signed a quarter of a billion dollar contract but he didn't. I mean that's a few less yachts he can afford but I don't think he'll ever spend his half a billion dollar contract. Is he ****ing over the chiefs? Or is Hill the only one expected to take discounts?

Ban this ****.

Possibly although everyone was high on Noah Gray as a rookie entering last season and he had a minimal impact.

It has historically been very difficult for rookie skill position players to have immediate impacts in Andy Reid's offense.

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And now that the trade is done we have an excellent chance to load up on pass rushers and receivers in a draft that is strong in both areas.

It sucks losing Hill but if we keep him we’re cap strapped with no picks. Now we can fix our pass rush and get a decent WR to add to Kelce, Juju and Hardman.

Mahomes isn’t going to fall apart with that roster

It’s kind of crazy.

The Chiefs took a chance on a 5th round pick with a guy who had off the field concerns.

They then get insane production for that player for several years then flip him for 5 picks, including a first and second.

Lord only knows what those 5 picks will lead to.

Talk about getting some ****ing value out of a 5th.

Think about it that way. It’ll make you feel better.

Keep in mind we said the same exact thing about OL. Veach will have a different mindset now that his back against the wall. Keep in mind Hardman was largely brought in as insurance for tyreek so even that pick was brought in with a different mindset.

Dude............stop

Ballsack ****ing sports.

Jesus christ dude.

So sick of morons posting fake ****ing Twitter accounts on here. Look for the goddamn blue checkmark. It's not that hard.

Yes!:)

Now THAT is perspective.

Also, it got them a SB win.

Lmfao Ballsack Sports

So late round flyer guys. Jehu Chesson and Cornell Powell etc

Conley (3rd round iirc) turned into a solid contributor who was able to parlay that into what is thus far a 7 year NFL career.

This is just silly.

Get ‘em Bart

Ballsack Sports fits penbrook perfect

I chuckled hard

Yup.

As they say, 'flags fly forever'.

Someone in baseball a few years back said "the least valuable commodity in the sport right now is the present..."

They're absolutely right. Because once a deal gets made, suddenly everything you did WITH that person goes out the window. Which led to silly decisions whereby teams never considered what you could accomplish with a guy and how long that can reverberate. The Braves could've dealt Freeman at the deadline - they didn't. You think they give a shit? Flags fly forever fellas and they'd lose him as a FA 100 times out of 100 to secure that WS.

"We made a commitment to him! Tyreek should have taken less to stay!!!"

Dafuq? The hell you say - Tyreek Hill signed a 3 year deal in September of '19 and our commitment to him led to 3 straight AFC Championships, 2 Hunt trophy's and a Lombardi.

That tab is paid, y'all. Dudes contributions here were FAR in excess of what we paid him. And by paying him, we also managed to extend our team control over him to the point we could then deal him.

That commitment has been satisfied over and over again. We're WELL ahead of the game with Tyreek Hill, even had we taken him in the top 10 of the draft.

"Don't cry because it's over - smile because it happened..."

The '**** Tyreek' crowd can sodomize themselves with a cactus. That shit is just stupid.

so did Sorensen...just sayin:bolt:

Apparently I have to keep saying this.... stop posting stupid shit!

Sorry but it's funny and obviously not real.

Umm what exactly is the relevance here?

3 hours later and this still ****ing sucks. I am still of the belief you don't trade your core trio HOF players in their prime. I would have gladly traded Chris Jones to pay Hill and not thought a second about it.

The worst part about this isn't that we traded Tyreek - it's all of the circumstances surrounding the trade, especially the timing. Tyreek has been underpaid for years and this obviously built up a lot of resentment. After it was clear he was out of legal trouble, veach should have re-done his contract to make him a top 5-10 paid WR. He let multiple years go by without fixing the injustice of Tyreek getting severely underpaid. Also, if you're going to trade him this off-season, that shit needed to be done before free agency so we could have signed a decent replacement 1 wr like Robinson and also get some decent dline free agents. Veach alienated a rare talent by letting him go underpaid for years and then screwed the team with this last minute desperation trade. Terrible timing and planning.

Clyde recruiting

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This is honestly 100% the way we should be looking at it. We got him for a 5th rounder, had him for 6 years and paid him next to nothing to go to 6 Pro Bowls and win a Super Bowl. Now we dealt him for 5 draft picks and gained 20 million in cap space.

When you take the emotions out of it and look at pure value and the long term picture, this was absolutely a home run scenario. Something you dream of doing on Madden.

Still hurts like a MF'er though.

You know who would've NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS allowed it to get to this point?

Why is it there always has to be two sides and only two sides?

We could've kept hill for this year under contract and rounded out the roster and fought for another title then let him walk/tag and trade for less next year. It wasn't pay him 30 million now or trade him.

It just feels like we took ourselves out of contention now for the future and nothing is guaranteed in life. Windows don't stay open long in most cases. And we probably just closed this one in the hopes of opening another later. Hope it works out.

Drew Rosenhaus wasn't born yesterday.

Tyreek specifically and deliberately waited for some contracts to get done before signing - Adams, primarily - because it means a higher pay day.

FTR - because everyone hyperbolizes any criticism of the un-criticizeable, . . . I'm going to pollyannishly hope that every draft pick is a home run, and every developing player makes a quantum leap, and every tactical mistake of the past is identified and ameliorated, and everyone integral to success stays healthy, and, and, and.

But I'm also honest with myself that those are HOPES.

No matter what anyone says, nothing about the future is ever guaranteed. You have to calculate what of the present, given the past will insulate you from the vagaries of the future. And right now we are hoping we can rebuild in a whole new paradigm, when I was hoping to build on existing reliability.

IF EVERYTHING GOES WELL, we'll be in great shape at some point, but every team in a parity league can say that.

Dorsey would have given him that dumbass contract and put us in cap he’ll AGAIN and then drafted shitty ass players with later picks like he did in Cleveland

When player start slowing in their early 30s, the team cuts them and say "it's strictly business". For Hills, this was also strictly business, and sometime their truly is a "win-win". He provided many thrills, many wins, a ring few of us have ever seen. Time to move on and win a different way.

Gonna lose Jones next year in all probability anyway.

So here's something I think few are considering - the QB market is INSANE. Since Mahomes signed his deal people have said "hey, we'll just keep kicking the can and in 5 years when that cap number hits $50 million we'll just renegotiate...."

What if we....didn't. Because I've got a sneaking suspicion that if we stop kicking that can and just let that deal stand as written, it'll be a screaming bargain now until it expires. And then we're under pressure to come back to the table as QBs contracts start to push north of $50+ million in annual guarantees.

We can consider that sort of thing if we DON'T go balls to the wall trying to retain Hill. Or if we move on from Jones when it's pretty obvious that he's not worth a $27 cap charge.

We just have to be much MUCH smarter in how we're doing things. And this is, in many ways, a positive sign. We've seen it all off-season. We were in on Smith until his market got stupid and we pulled the chute. Then it got more stupid somehow. We sat down with Hill and tried to get something done but when he decided he wanted to set records, we said no mas.

We got JuJu on dick in guarantees. We got Reid at 60% what Mathieu was demanding.

Now I do wish we'd have gone ahead and re-signed Ward now, but I don't think this was Veach's plan when a decision point came on Ward.

This all demonstrates that Veach is past his "hold the paddle up until you win" approach of the last 4 years. And that approach was disastrous long-term.

Not every my team has Patrick Mahomes. Kind of ridiculous to compare us to every other team.

They don’t need to hit on every single pick for this to work out.

Yup. Veach did what was best. Hill turned down probably a big offer to get the bigger offer.

Bye Hill and say goodbye to your stats and HOF career. Good luck with Tua.

Should have drafted him instead of Hardman.


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Tyreek was not as effective last season because other teams' defenses adjusted to deny him open routes. As fun as he is to watch, the Chiefs will be okay without him.

Tyreek's legacy apparently means nothing to him.

Just to lighten the mood a little..... Sorry if repost
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What have we said for years?

There will come a time when Patrick Mahomes, of only by dint of his contract, will have to make his WRs.

Well that time has come. Patrick's gonna have to make some B tier guys look better than they are. And he has the skills to do that.

And I don't want to hear one single goddamn thing about how much he does or does not trust them.

Time to put your big boy pants on and MAKE these guys into weapons, Patrick.

This goes back to my point about veach messing up the timing. He should have done something with Tyreek years ago. The more time went on with him being underpaid, the more expensive and our of control the situation got. It should have never come to this point when the Adams trade set such a precedent. And if that's the case, then don't trade him this off-season. You're basically saying veach got schooled by rosenhaus or this proves my point about veachs bad timing/planning.

We're 1 year into Mahomes contract and we're already having to trade our 2nd best player because we don't want to pay him. If that isn't cap hell, I don't know what is.

The time to build up the youth of this team is now. Especially after every team in the AFC West went all in. Those teams are all going to have to pay their QB at sometime and that’s when our 2nd window opens.

Yep. We're about to see exactly how great Patrick is.

There's no doubt we will grab a receiver in the draft. And get help on defense.

Dorsey would have tagged him, let him have a career year then paid him too much at age 30.

Nah. Tyreeks success is just as much a product of the amazing support we gave him and the man throwing to him, which he’s going to find out quick with Tua. There was no reason for this to happen, but greedy selfish players aren’t level headed people. I’ll say it again, Chiefs weren’t offering minimum wage. The idea he wasn’t being compensated ENOUGH for a TEAM sport is pretty silly. But then again I also think paying someone 500 million is pretty out of control too for what it’s worth. That’s just me.

Chiefs should have just let his contract run out and then tagged him.

Probably get two more Super Bowls doing that.

Instead you get a 1st and a bunch of fluff picks.

Jiminy ****ing Christmas, it's all ****ing over.

Good. Maybe you should just leave forever!

After the offseason you’ve had….you may want to lay low for awhile with posting.

2 more SB's? Shut up. Keeping Hill against his will would not lock up 2 SB's.

Veach did exactly what a good GM does in this league.
Let him go underpaid? WTF

The NFL is all about business. Not about feelings. Same as any other business out there.

As much as I hate to see him go. Hill was a generational talent But things to think about.

His cap hit would’ve been huge. We wouldn’t have any money to sign anyone and less draft picks

We picked up 5 draft picks. And $21 mil in cap space. That 5-9 new players

We have 13 draft picks this year. THIRTEEN! When was that lady time we had that many?

In the 2022 NFL Draft, the Chiefs have 10 picks. They are:
Round 1 pick 29
Round 1, Pick 30;
Round 2 pick 50
Round 2, Pick 62;
Round 3, Pick 94;
Round 3, Pick 102;
Round 4, 133;
Round 4.
Round 6, Pick 189;
Round 7, Pick 231;
Round 7, Pick 241;
Round 7, Pick 249; and
Round 7, Pick 260.

8 picks in top 135

In 2023 we will have more cap room as well as

Round 1
Round 2
Round 3
Round 3. Comp pick pooles
Round 4
Round 4. Dolphins
Round 5
Round 6
Round 6 dolphins
Round 7

2 extra comp picks ward and mathieu. Possible equal to 3rds

12 picks



We are going to get extra picks with Ward and if Mathieu signs elsewhere

That’s 23 picks in 2 drafts.

Just think of the leverage we have with these picks

The trade market was set off Hill when Adams was traded The value us almost the same.

Our o line is set for the next few years

Except maybe for RT

Mahomes

CEH. Lost Williams and McKinnon

FB is set

WR. Hmmmm

Defense

Fenton Sneed
Thornhill Reid
Gay Bolton

All young players

We do have nadi jones and Clark

Draft meds

WR
Edge
LB
CB
RB

Bolton. Was no 58
Humphrey. No 63
Smith no 226

Still have Grey

CEH. 28
Gay 63
Sneed 138


Niang was 96 and Danna 177

Hardman 56
Thornhill 63
Fenton 201

Saunders 85. Allegrettu 216

Nadi 75


Watts was 124.

Mahomes 10


Jones 37
Hill 165


Peters 18
Morse 49



Now they can package drsft picks in a trade to move up. Or pick up players leading up to training camp

Looking at it. We are better off for the long haul. When our rivals can’t pay because of the cap. We will be set

The market wasn’t set for 2 first round ouch’s. This is what we were going to get for Hill.

Everyone is overlooking the fact we were limited by the cap and we have 25 picks the next 2 years

We can’t judge this trade by today. Everyone is shocked but if you sit back and look we are in great shape

CP is just a reflection of modern society. Everything has to be polarized hyperbole. If you're not on a side, you're not "giving it everything you have".

I've been saying it about this place for years and as recently as a few days ago - there's no room for middle ground here.

Well, his TD production fell nearly 50% in his second year as the starter - that's no bueno. In year 3, it increased, but he was still only 76% of his best season and it declined from that number last season.

I think he's broken and you guys should probably find a buyer for him while you can. The stats show a decline in production that few can recover from, especially now that they've traded Hill.

Hill was 28% of Pat's TD production... dramatic, likely unrecoverable for KC. I'm sorry.

No way he plays in 2022 on his current contract. Rosenhaus would have him sit out and demand a trade. There were three options going forward:

1) Hill sits out and the Chiefs eventually trade him for much less when all leverage has been lost. CRUSHING the Chiefs in 2022.
2) Hill gets traded now.
3) Hill resigns for some absurd deal.

Options 1 and 3 would have been horrible for KC. In option 1 the Chiefs are a broken team in 2022 but may recover. Option 3 the Chiefs would be a broken team for several years.

They will if they're earned. There's a reason they call them NLTBE incentives.

Yep. We're about to see exactly how great Patrick is.

Exact same thing I was thinking.

Hit the road Attention Bitch. And don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out.

Exactly. It’s the same lunacy as not being able to criticize the AFCG choke because we should be greatfull and we “will be back next year”. Maybe we will but it’s starting to look like we won’t, making that take look even more silly.

I wish I was the optimistic type but reality is often disappointing.

This year would have been ugly and next year even uglier.

He might have refused to play on the tag. Players hate the tag and the Chiefs seem to try to avoid it except in cases like OBJ where he's coming off his rookie deal and he knew he'd go on it.

Like you know shit… Let it play out pussy..

As if anyone would pass up millions of dollars over feelings. Pfffff....

Tyreek cashed in, good for him. He don't owe us shit. We rooted for him, and he returned the favor with great plays.

The Chiefs paid him handsomely and kept faith in him and he paid it back in spades.

Had nothing to do with feelings. It would have been good business. As I said, the more time went on with him being underpaid, the more expensive and out of control the situation got. Addressing this earlier would have kept Tyreek and for cheaper in the long run, which is good business not about feelings.

LMAO

I know what you're getting at and man does it expose some Chiefs fans...

I would rather have Mahomes locked up than giving Hill the largest contract for a WR in NFL history.