BleedingRed taught me “In Pioli We Trust”

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I posted it last page....but I'll add it to the top of this page because I think it's a good article by Terez.

https://sports.yahoo.com/chiefs-andy...084228411.html

BleedingRed taught me that it isnt considered cheating if you let your dog lick peanut butter off your nuts cuz its your dog.

Anyway you can get an audio book of this? BleedingBlood cant read through all his tears

I can link 17 scientific studies that proves me right on this issue

HAHA Impossible! I was only stalking this site back then!

So an average defense would get raped by Tom Brady just like how our 31st ranked defense did? That literally makes no sense. How isn't going from 31st ranked defense to the 16th ranked defense a major improvement?

it would be IF it happened, TBD......

Sure. But IF it happens, we're the best team in the NFL and it's not even close really.

Yes. It makes no sense to think that an average D is good enough to stop Brady with the game on the line.

You don't need a defense to completely shut down Brady. You need a defense that can stop him 2-4 times a game and allow your offense to get and hold the lead.

A better defense gets another stop or two at some point in the game which makes it irrelevant whether they would’ve been able to on the last series.

Just build a good defense. Not one that we hope is just good enough, just a ****ing good solid d

That’s obviously the goal, but it’s going to be difficult to make it “good” in his first year.

Maybe it will be by playoff time though.

All I can say is thank ****ing god Sutton’s package defense is gone.

2 DL, Houston, Ford and only Hitchens with a “money backer”.

And people wonder why we got ran on?!

If Ford lines back 5 inches, we win the game only allowing 24 points and forcing Brady into 3 interceptions.

That's the difference of a player just lining up 5 inches back. Just that small one change. But yet you think if a major change like the defense going from 31st to 16th wouldn't make a difference in performance?

If it’s taking this long then the front office needs some changes

So you expect a good defense week 1?

Sorry, but you’re likely to be disappointed if these are your expectations.

An average defense in year one for this defense would be a ****ing win.

Why not?

They’ve got the draft and the whole offseason

In theory but these games all come down to the end and an average D isn't going to be good enough to stop a guy like Brady at the end of the big game. I guess you have to define average too. Average at what? Yards, points, red zone.

People don't realize how historically bad our defense was.

If they’re even average week 1 that’s a huge improvement.

Like I said, yea they should be good come playoff time, but I don’t expect it right away.

It's a game of inches. Good Ds control the inches when it counts the most. Rankings? 16h ranked? I think I'd set my bar higher in an attempt to win it all.

So, Spagnuolo inherited a poor defense in 07 and immediately made it good. And it continued to be good the next season. Then, he inherited a poor defense in NO and turned it into the worst D in the league with a bullet. Next, he inherits a bad NYG defense and again turns it into the worst in the league. But the following year he got it into the top 10. Then back down to 31.

What does this all mean?

Is he a good defensive mind who had terrible personnel at times? Or is a mediocre coach who needs great players to produce?

Don't expect a good defense but I expect a defense that at least can stop a couple 3rd and longs from being converted throughout a game.

That's how low the bar is set right now. Stop one 3rd and long conversion and the Chiefs win.

So you think we need a top 10 defense to win it all? Wasn't the point if having a franchise QB that we don't need to be perfect in all the other areas of the team?

Name a better team than the chiefs if we have a 16th ranked defense instead of the 31st.

I would imagine they’re going to pour a lot of resources into the d

If they do that I expect it to be good

It means talent >>>> coaching

But at least we know if we give him talent, he will get the most out of it.

In what way? They were 24th in points allowed and also in points per play, I believe. Which is a more telling stat than yards/game. You can't compare their yards per game to teams with ball control offense.

To me, it's been the same sh*t the last three years. Not historically bad, but bad. Only difference is they got more turnovers in 2016, and last year they were on the field more due to a quick-score offense.

They were historically bad in first downs surrendered per game.

If they go out and get somebody like PP, Thomas, or Ramsey along with the draft being mostly D like we expect then yes I expect them to be good.

I’m not sure we get an elite secondary player though.

I think they will. I’m not sure who but I’m guessing they go after someone.

I’ll say Earl Thomas will be high on their list.

I love Ramsey but I just don’t know what it will take

They're going to use virtually the entire draft on D and likely sign a few free agents. If they make the right moves, it could absolutely be good next year. Hell, I think it could be pretty good just by putting it in the hands of someone who knows how to adjust and get the most out of the talent.

Not sure if Spaggy is that guy.

Well, again, stats like that have a lot to do with having an offense that consistently scores quickly.

It's not common to have an electric offense and a statistically great defense.

I think that the mentality of average is good enough is a losing mentality. We better try and build the best D we can and hope it's good enough to make the big stops at the big moments.

Dee Ford for Ramsey swap

Why would the Jags make that trade?

Absolutely. Shooting for 'just good enough' leaves you open to something going wrong ruining your season. During a football season, something will go wrong so you need to be better than average to cover for it.

They wouldn't and the idea that they would even think about it is funny

Hoping for average? How about hoping for a defense that can force the other team to do something other than what it wants? Personally, I'd much rather see the defense die by the big play than by 1000 paper cuts. I believe the problem was the players and the system. The message was stale and many of the players looked like they were allergic to tackling.

Is the talent really that much worse than other teams?

Probably have to be ford and one of our 2nds atleast to get that done

Smh

The Jaguars have too much money invested in the Defense as it is and are really lacking on Offense. How is Dee Ford gonna help balance that out?

They aren’t or won’t want Ford was just saying in general for that to work

The jags are probably gonna need to unload some of the defensive players so there’s a place you could get some value

Insert Owned gif

I think the talent is well below Baltimore's, but comparable to the middle of the pack.

They're a couple players and an appropriate scheme away from top 10.

How is that a losing mentality? All we need to win a SB is an average D, hell we were inches from being in the SB with a pretty terrible D. **** I hate when people feel like they need to say stupid shit like that "we better try and build the best D we can". No ****ing shit sherlock? You expecting the Chiefs to say "well we did just enough to be average on defense, so we decided to use this draft on
a few guys to help get you through security at the games and a couple of administrative assistants to get Andy's coffee, ever since Brett was promoted Andy's had to get his own"?

It could be that he's a Romeo guy. Terrible at managing players (too nice of a guy) but can do fine if a quality head coach keeps the locker room together. Can't blame him for the bountygate disaster in New Orleans. Don't think you can blame him for mcadoo losing the entire locker room in 2017. He seems to me like a good defensive mind, average scheme, good at coaching players but terrible at managing them.

Yes. We are.

And we will improve because of simply that aspect...regardless of who coordinates the defense. I’m not a fan of the specific hire, but I definetely see how his style and the base defense are better fits for the talent on this team.

JalenRamsey and Collins and a bunch of draft picks chosen to replace high priced stars in the next 2 seasons and LETS GOOOOO

Why do people like Landon Collins? Dude had one good year and he can’t cover TE’s.

Yeah I’m not big on giving him big money

I’d rather sign Earl Thomas or Amos

I highly doubt anyone in the organization is aiming for average.

Also, this team needs to let Dee Ford walk. If you really want to spend on an edge defender, there are younger, more accomplished, more well-rounded pass rushers.

And who would like to see KC bring back David Irving?

Just acknowledging the very real chance that Spagnuolo would want him on this defense.

Ramsey is budding up with tyreek. Maybe he's doing some recruiting for us. One things for damn sure... Regardless of how anyone feels about Xs and O's he can flat out coach DB's. Groomed lito sheppard, Landon Collins, Jimmy Smith, Aaron Ross, Corey Webster when they were just pups. Our secondary is going to be really good at some point.

I hope he fires Thomas.

The entire defensive side of the ball (sans Mike Smith) needs to be fired. Make Britt Reid into an assistant if you absolutely have to. Andy Heck should also be shown the door.

Yeah, I could see him firing Thomas but keeping Harris (he coached Harris in Philly). This is the one positions group that doesn't matter to me, because no matter what, I think Spagnuolo will trump any coaching we have. We'll be good at DB no matter who's the official DBs assistant.

Thomas retired the day Sutton was fired, did you all miss that?

Link?

Source? I've seen this posted, but there's never been a link.

https://www.chiefs.com/team/coaches-roster/

They updated the DC and Thomas is still on coaching staff

Because I was making a broader point. You're a homer. Always have been. You'll view these personnel decisions through a homer's lens because you always pump sunshine on these mediocre to bad players and coaches first.

You've said that you never overrate Chiefs players, which is just absolute bullshit. Looking at the secondary alone, one can find examples of Nelson, Gaines, and Russell, among others. You were probably one of the last holdouts on Mike Catapano for ****'s sake.

You talk now about how bad Sutton was once Spagnuolo is on board, but in November you were making fun of people for stating that the defense was bad. You claimed that Sutton could scheme his way out of problems, then blamed him for an inability to adjust only after he was fired.

Regarding Nelson: You've been routinely overrating him for years because you're unable to admit that you're wrong about him. You crowed about him being a nickel corner (Narrator: he wasn't), talked about him having good/solid years (he didn't).

Just admit that you see everything through rose-colored glasses and it would be a hell of a lot easier to respect you.

Regarding Gase: you claimed that the got the most out of Tannehill (false, go look at his stats) and that Cutler had the best QBR of his career under Gase (which was also false, it was never higher than his fifth best).

Marty said he was retiring.

It'll probably take a few days.

Thomas is the only coach on that page where you can't click to get a bio or at least some **** you blurb. Pretty telling.

In relation to Heck, has the colts fired offensive line coach gotten a job anywhere yet? Biggest shock in offseason so far to me. They say he was an asshole but it was the most improved O line in history. Quinton Nelson took up for him after he was fired and he’s their best player.

Staylor was full on Alex homer wasnt he? Like on the same level as Sandy if I can recall correctly.

Nothing wrong with being a homer Staylor. Just admit you thought Bartee and Warfield was one of the best CB duos youve ever watched play and all will be forgiven.

Marty also said Sutton was retiring. He was relieved of his duties, a nicer way of saying he was fired.

PFF thinks Steven Nelson is good...I'm not sure why.

I’m such a homer that I picked the Chargers to win the division this year.

I never once said Sutton was great or anything. I liked him because he did a good job early on, but after a second year of this shit it’s hard to defend. I’ve already said I still believe the problem was talent for the most part. I don’t believe I’ve even commented much on his adjustments the past couple years outside of the game because it was so blatantly bad. All I’ve said is that after another playoff loss like we had, he had to go. His defense has grown stale and it’s clearly time for a change.

I think Spags is an upgrade, and he clearly is. I didn’t say it was tremendous and I didn’t say he alone will fix everything. We need talent just as much as we would’ve if Sutton wasn’t fired or we hired somebody else.

If I’m guilty of anything when it comes to players, it’s being bullish on prospects I liked coming out because I don’t like to be wrong. I take a lot of pride in my eye for talent. Gaines, Nelson, Catapano, etc. are guys I liked as prospects. The fact that they were on my team might add a little to that, but that’s the context you’re missing about me.

You only see what I’m wrong about though. Since you like digging up old shit go back and look at how much I pimped guys like Chris Jones, Kareem Hunt, Travis Kelce before the draft. I was one of the few left defending Ford till this year because I liked him also.

When it comes to evaluating talent we all swing and miss, though I’d argue that Nelson for a 3rd rounder is hardly a huge miss with the second contract he’s about to get. You guys can laugh all you want, but he still wasn’t that bad at all this year when you look at how much he was targeted, completion % against, and QBR. The guy was playing on an island and basically our #1 corner. We asked way too much of him. If we had a legit #1 he would’ve been a nice corner to have on a rookie deal this year.

Do I almost always lean on the optimistic side of all things Chiefs? Yes absolutely, but that’s just a matter of philosophy more than anything. I can’t believe how many people spend all this time talking about a team that makes them miserable. I’ve been through so much heartbreak as a fan in general that I’m not scared to be disappointed.

As for Gase, you’re being completely moronic and completely ignoring context like you continuously do when it doesn’t fit your argument. Tannehill never once played more than 13 games under Gase (he was out 50 ****ing % of the time dude seriously), he missed an entire season one year, and it’s not fair to make those comparisons based on stats that really aren’t THAT far off. The bottom line is the one year Tannehill at least played 13 the Dolphins were 10-6 and made the playoffs despite being in Brady/BB’s division.

All of this context has already been laid out for you but you won’t acknowledge that it’s legitimate because you’re an unreasonable person. What have I said that unreasonable about Sutton, Nelson, Spags, anybody? You know what’s unreasonable? Calling Spags an “atrocious” hire then naming John Pagano as the first experienced guy on your list. Stupid ****.

Nelson's such a frustrating player to watch. Usually in decent position but with the worst possible ball awareness. Thus, PI, and toast.

I really don't want to see him again next year. Unless he's in a different uniform.

Before the Pats game they were talking about him on PFF as one of the better CB's in the league because his % against is like 53 which is really good in todays game.

And I'm just like...I watch this guy, he's not good.

yeah man. I don't know how those stats are possible. I mean, he does NOT pass the eye test. Somehow they're not factoring in all his PI calls or something.

That's what it has to be.

Ideally, we need Houston to knock off $5M+ in cap charges this year, and Berry doing the same would be nice... something to essentially pay for Ford’s tag if that’s the direction they want to go.

**** this is tough. The Ford tag or lack thereof is critical to this offseason.

Berry take a paycut, hold on while I have to catch my breath from laughing so hard.

I don’t think he’s going to, but he ****ing should after this past season.