The only thing that queered those drives were penalties and drops.

Shut the **** up.

That’s fine, but we should have gone for the kill in this game. When you don’t, it allows the refs to get involved and it forces Mahomes to make late game plays to win. 99 percent of the time he will do it but eventually it will cost them in a big spot.

You know you can disagree with me and not be a bitch at the same time!

They aren't mutually exclusive!

Amazing how that works!

I ****ing hate Belichick, but the one thing his teams always did was go for the kill during that dynasty. I hope Andy develops that because Mahomes is more than capable of putting up 40+ against any team in the league.

This just isn't true during the Mahomes era.

Name a time it "cost them in a big spot."

Franchise QBs close games. Andy trusts his franchise QB to close the game.

Andy deserves no criticism tonight.

Andy didn't get too conservative in this game. In the 4th quarter, we had

14 pass plays
6 called running plays

Not even close. We had way more passes than runs. The 2nd to last drive was killed with holding penalties, as everyone saw. Then even on 3rd and 27 Mahomes, up by 10 points, Mahomes was still throwing it deep trying to pick up the first down. Nothing conservative at all about that.

Then on the final drive when we were trying to end the game, we still had 4 passing plays to 3 running plays. Andy put the ball in Mahomes' hand on the last play of the game to pick up the crucial first down. Again, not conservative at all. People are confusing "the offense didn't execute" with "conservative."

You can choose to either blame the refs for killing our second to last drive, or give credit to the Bucs defense for adjusting, but blaming Reid here is asinine. He didn't get conservative at all but people will let their narrative get in the way of the facts I'm sure.

How did we not go for the kill? Passing the ball deep on 3rd and 27 up by 10 points...

**** your facts, stats, and sound logic. This sort of so-called evidence doesn't stack up against the gut feel of many of the CP cognoscenti..

That last possession was the most effective one I have seen Andy manage from a time perspective

This.. Hardman had a TD hit him in the hands.. If that happens we wouldn't be hearing the Doubting Dumb Dumbs in the game thread....

Nevermind.. there are always idiot posts...

Another thing that is marvelous, the Chiefs had a 50/20 run pass ratio, yet held the ball for 37 minutes.

Andy has found a way to be pass-first and dominate TOP.

People need to realize that other NFL teams have NFL football players on their teams, and they play football pretty good. Our guys are better, but their guys are ****ing good. The Bucs are not some piece of shit team, and we took their best shot and still won. We are not going to win every game by 3 scores, it is what it is.

Yeah, there is always room to improve. We can pick apart a ton of shit on defense, offense and special teams. BUT...we got Patrick. We got Andy. We have talent and guts. We will not win every game, that's a given. But damn...we are the most feared team in the NFL right now.

I was not worried all game. I got a little uncomfortable at the end, and a little frustrated and pissed, but I was not worried. If you get the ball to Patrick, he'll take care of it.

Uh, Patrick threw a sure TD behind Mecole. That was the dagger right there. Did you not watch the game?

I can’t because it hasn’t happened yet. Odds are that it will eventually though. Mahomes is the best QB in NFL history but even he is not infallible. Go for the kill when the opportunity is there, don’t be kicking FGs when you’re on the 1 or taking the ball out of Mahomes’ hands on any drive.

Unclear how this changes kicking a FG from the 1 or running the ball on several series they shouldn’t have resulting in turnovers on downs.

Which series were T/Os on downs? Because they aren't listed in the game summary at ESPN?

There was a fumble, but that wasn't Andy's fault. Unless he snuck out there in his Mahomes costume. There was a couple holding calls on Wylie that effed a couple drives. Again, not Andy's fault. Unless he also dressed up as Wylie and grabbed a couple guys?

3 holding calls ( 2 were for sure ticks tacky) and 2 dumb PF penalties on Clark on back to back offense and defense series had way more to do with the close ending than anything you mentioned.

And we never turned the ball over on downs.

If it weren't for Hardman dropping an easy TD, this game would have been over in the 3rd. Can't blames that on Andy.

Being forced to punt the ball away is the same thing in my books.

Refs never call the holds if the game is not close enough for those holding calls to matter. Chiefs should have been up by 20+ at that time and the refs aren’t getting involved to keep it close for a Brady.

Honestly, it could have been over much earlier.

They settled for a FG after the Kelce trick play on the very first drive and then they had the fumble in the red zone in the 2nd quarter.

It really should have been 28-7 at halftime.

Almost surely won the AFC West today with the Raiders falling to 6-5.

LET'S GOOOOO!!!!

I would criticize any other coach in the league for kicking a FG in that spot and so would anyone else here. Not sure why Andy is off limits. He’s the best coach we’ve ever had but he’s not perfect.

I'm pretty glad we had those three points.

To be fair, that FG was the difference in the final score. I didn't agree with the call either, but if we'd gotten stopped on 4th down there, it could have changed everything.

I’d rather trust in Mahomes and take the 7.

Yep Reid and Mahomes were able to kill 4:10 like it was nothing, without running much. Beautiful play designs and execution.

Results based thinking after the fact. Kicking a FG is statistically a win for the defense there. TB showed no ability to stop the offense all night other than the times we took the ball out of Mahomes’ hands through runs or that kick.

We scored 10 points over the final 3 quarters, clearly they made adjustments and were able to stop us to some degree.

Because coaching is like anything else in sports. You're not going to hit every shot. Or get a hit on every pitch. Or even every plate appearance. And coaches aren't always going to make decisions you agree with.

Andy isn't Doug Marrone or Bill O'Brien or Zac Taylor. Hell, he's not even Bruce Arians.

It's about perspective. Did your top 5 major league hitter strike out? Why even hem and haw about that shit? He's not perfect. So ****ing what?

Regardless of your take on that call, I think we can agree that our inability to convert short yardage situations is kind of a problem. Mahomes generally makes up for it, but it really sucks that our OL can't get a push to save their lives.

If we were better there, I bet Andy would have gone for it.

No. A turnover has a specific definition and punting the ball is not included in it, ever. Learn the proper definitions of the terms used in football. And players that commit illegal acts on the field are not Andy's fault, dipstick.

So you blame Andy for Mahomes throwing the ball behind Mecole, and for Patrick getting strip sacked? For the refs throwing a flag at Fish when obviously didn't hold? For a couple dropped passes?

How does that make any kind of sense? Should we blame Andy for tornado season as well?

Because it’s an unnecessary strikeout (think bunting with 2 strikes) and one that will cost us eventually if it happens enough times.

We’re almost certainly going to be in the conversation for the greatest dynasty in sports by the time Mahomes’ run is over and that’s the standard we should be holding it to. Pat can literally break the game and take it somewhere no one ever has if we let him.

If it results in us giving the ball back without scoring (in a game in which Mahomes is absolutely torching the other team), it’s all the same to me.

I’d love to hear the explanation as to why because I’ve thought he’s done a very good job this year of going for it in similar spots this year. That was a mistake though.

He was defending your point BTW.

It's a great point. We got stoned in the red zone today. Once the field gets that short inside the 5 I think Reid feels he either needs trickery or to throw. The odds of converting there with a standard run against that front were probably less than 30 percent.

So you're ignorant. Fine.

Ah. Okay, I misread the intent there. Carry on.

Burning the clock like that was brilliant. It was just about perfect.

In Wally's presser today, some media dude asked him about a huge "soybean maze" created in Wally's honor.

Apparently, the maze is constructed in the form of Wally's face.

According to Media Dude, the maze is large ... in fact, he said Wally's Soybean Maze Mouth is big enough to hold as many as 28,000 cheeseburgers.

I find this both troubling and highly intriguing.

Therefore, I am compelled to inquire ...

Does anyone have a photo of Wally's Soybean Maze?

FAX

Someone please embed:

https://twitter.com/bejlm/status/133...614362624?s=21

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Coach Andy Reid likeness in soybean field-- why not? <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BigRed?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#BigRed</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/Chiefs?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Chiefs</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/mickshaffer?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@mickshaffer</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/mattderrick?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@mattderrick</a> <a href="https://t.co/32opL1orpb">pic.twitter.com/32opL1orpb</a></p>&mdash; Joshua Mann (@beJLM) <a href="https://twitter.com/beJLM/status/1335023645614362624?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 5, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Holy shit that is glorious...that's a lot of damn work...

Thank you, Mr. smithandrew051.

They said it was large so I'm glad it wasn't necessary to crop the photograph.

And, as Wally remarked in his presser, "It's a lot better than one of those alien circles."

FAX

We have bigger fish to fry than just winning the division again. :thumb:

Andy knew what he had.

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Honestly, that is very impressive work.

Buehler! Great job!

I watch games with my brother, and every time KC is in a 3rd or 4th with 1 yard to go, I always say "they need to get a false start here and give mahomes some room!"

I'm legit more confident in 3rd and 6 than 3rd and 1.

Not in general. Just with this team and this qb.

So what would it take for andy to catch and pass Belicheck as the goat?

5 more super bowl rings

Andy Red.

Bill has only won with one QB. Andy has proven he can win with others besides Mahomes. He didn't get the SB but he won many playoff games with different QBs.

I hate Dee Ford forever. After Feb it could be 3 in a row!

I don't think Andy has much of a shot at passing him as the GOAT in terms of metrics. However, I think Andy will be looked at as having more of an influence on the game than Bill did.

Adam Teicher with a hilariously stupid comment about Andy Reid on ESPN.com:

Link: https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/pag...hes-most-stake

Andy is a lock for the HOF, Teicher's head is up his ass as usual.

That overrated sack of crap Bill Cowher is in the Hall. He only coached for 14 years and then called it quits when he was pretty young. And it wasn't all winning with him, either. He had a handful of downish seasons. I know there are exceptions to the longevity rule, but Cowher ain't one of those exceptions. One Super Bowl win does not a HOF coaching career make.

Andy was top 5 all-time in wins without the Super Bowl. That alone is a HOF coaching career. The Super Bowl just got him into the Hall sooner, if that.

I was just about to make a thread about this. Teicher is a ****ing moron.

Yeah, that's a ridiculous take. Andy was PROBABLY in without winning a Super Bowl. With the win, he could retire tomorrow and be a first-ballot HOFer.

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Happy happy Sunday y’all ❤️��<br><br>We are all in on “Rally with Big Red” to support Special Olympics Missouri. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/RallywithBigRed?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#RallywithBigRed</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/SOMissouri?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@SOMissouri</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/VintageHuskey?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@VintageHuskey</a><a href="https://t.co/1j1EzGb7Xy">https://t.co/1j1EzGb7Xy</a><a href="https://twitter.com/ArrowheadLive?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Arrowheadlive</a> <a href="https://t.co/cxYPu7yGuk">pic.twitter.com/cxYPu7yGuk</a></p>&mdash; Sophie Cunningham (@sophaller) <a href="https://twitter.com/sophaller/status/1335713915158802438?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 6, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

It’s crazy how the narrative on Andy has changed within 6 months.

“Andy can’t win a SB”

Now

“Patrick Mahomes gonna have Andy Reid around his whole career so he can be the GOAT?”

Those idiots are still here. Now it's "Andy is holding Mahomes back!!! Andy won't win another unless Patrick ignores Reid and does whatever he wants!!!" Or some shit like that.

The second half against Tampa and most of the game against the Donks:

"ANDY GETTING CUTE WITH PLAYCALLING. HE'S BAD AT CALLING PLAYS! RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!!!!"

Notice how the team has perfectly executed its "clock management" (a term I still think is absolute horse shit) and yet those clock cocks from the 2019 regular season who wanted Reid fired because "clock management" aren't making any mention of that or giving him credit the past two weeks.

I'm not sure who said he "can't" win a SB?

ROFLROFLROFL:clap:

I'll eat some crow. I was PISSED after the Tampa game, but it probably wasn't Andy's fault. I was just blown away that our offense was struggling to convert on 3rd down when in the first half they were moving the ball at will.

But ever since that game we've been doing fine, just Denver's defense actually buckling down and stone walling us in the Red Zone, which they're apparently really good at. So hey, it all checks out.

So the big concern with Andy's play-calling in the latter half of this season has been RZ offense. Dan Orlovsky breaks this myth down a bit below.

Starts at about 3:50:
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It turns out, other teams make adjustments too.

And their guys get paid to do a job just like ours do.

Agreed.

CP's whiners rarely if ever give credit where credit is due. Even then, usually there's some criticism mixed into it.

But mostly they just need to whine about something. Which is why, despite Andy leading the team to a SB win, in the one year that every Chiefs fan should be over-the-moon ecstatically happy about all the coaches and players, the Frank Clark sucks thread has been resurrected, why the Andy haters have resurfaced, why there's a thread bitching about Hardman, another about Butker, Why there's a thread about why the defense sucks, etc. and so on.

The Chiefs have lost just one game in the past 386 (give or take a couple) days. In that same frame only a handful of teams have managed to score more than 24 points vs. our defense. The offense has scored an average of 31+ points/game.

It's hilarious and sad at the same time. It's like these dimwits have some kind of Chiefs fan PTSD.

The Chiefs are fine. Are they playing at the top of their game on both sides of the ball? No. Do I think they can turn it on whenever they need to? Absolutely. Because they've done it multiple times this year. They just haven't needed to keep the 'turbo' button mashed down for more than a quarter or two. And, if we're honest, weather slowed the offense down a bit a couple times, and the refs have erased some points as well.

As I noted in another thread, the Chiefs have had at a minimum 6 TDs taken off the board this season, and you can make a pretty solid case that the number is 8+ TDs. If just half of those points were tallied, we don't lose any games, and only one game would be within 6 points.

But even if it worked out that way, I'm sure the whiners would still be whining.

Clock Management is, was, and always has been more about the quarterback than head coach.

Now, wait a minute, let's not get TOO carried away here...

Anyone who doesn't understand that Andy Reid is in the top 2 coaches in the NFL is an idiot.

Oh, and by the way, Belichick, who most would say is the number one-

No Brady and what happens there?

Reid has won with a bunch of no-names, some has beens, some never was's, and now with a GOAT.

He's also a great person and his players love him.

I wouldn't trade him for anyone.

This is why I believe Reid is a better coach than Belechick. Look at his accomplishments without Mahomes vs Belechick's without Brady.

I love you Chris, you're such a sweetie!

Jesus ****. Cam Newton is pure dog shit. Most teams lose much more and are far less competitive if they had Cam Newton than what the Patriots are. Cam is ass.

And the Bucs have a shitload of weapons and they have a single win more than the Pats do.