But $14 million in cap savings. The $7 million is a sunk cost, due to the signing bonus. Not much you can do about that. Big time FA’s are signing big money contracts w/o at least SOME guaranteed money in them.

Not what I meant. I hope they don't make him want to. I don't think it will happen but we have seen it happen before in other places.

They can split it over 2 years with a Post June designation.

Do you think we will?

Sammy will be in his prime and so will Mahomes.

If Sammy stays on the field and puts up the numbers he is capable of- he will be signing a new contract instead of being cut.

I agree with what you're saying. Reid is the designer of the game plan. I could see him game planning Watkins as the first read on most plays. But, that doesn't predicate Mahomes to go to him. If Watkins is the first read, and it's a curl route 6 yards down field, but Hill has separation further downfield, Mahomes has shown the propensity to hit Hill instead.

This is what I think will happen in 2020.

-Sammy Watkins is on the team.
-Tyreek Hill gets a new deal with a low first year cap hit.
-Chiefs will look for Travis Kelce’s replacement in the draft.

I think this is Kelce’s last contract with the Chiefs. They can’t afford to pay him, Hunt, Hill, Mahomes and Watkins big money.

Kelce would be 31 that year so he seems like the odd man out

No way, the guy has been performing like a stud on peanuts. He is going to want some $$$ front loaded if/when he signs.

More from that article...

Hitchens also cracked the list:

Why do you quote that article, yet ignore this one? Honestly, I don't blame you...LMAO

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...eid-the-future

Yeah, Tyreek is gonna wanna get a good payday.

It'll be tough to keep both, but the hope at that point is that Mahomes is developed and you can have him carry the offense somewhat with new young WR's.

Oh he will get paid huge money, it just won’t be on the cap. Sammy Watkins cap hit this year is $7.8 million which is low, but he received a $21 million signing bonus.

That’s what teams do now. A lot of guaranteed money in year 1 so players can have a low first year cap hit. Team gets cap relief early and the player gets a shit load of guaranteed money up front.

Win/win for both sides

Yeah, but it's not always good for the team in the long run if the player goes the way Houston or Berry has after their deal.

If you can have the space to pay them their money up front and take the hit, it's the way to go.

And I think you'll start to see that more with the Chiefs once we get some of these contracts off the books.

Tyreek is one of those generational players who have to re-sign

Why don't you return to your shit thread where we are discussing just how pathetic Denver's roster is...

Yeah good point. I think we might see a shift in contracts. Cousins and Watkins got 3 year deals which also seems like a win/win for both sides.

If the player flops, you don’t have them for 5 years and 2nd year contracts players can get another big payday instead of just one due to a shorter contract.

Yeah, I def like the short deals better for both sides.

Unless its for a QB but Cousins is playing that smart.

Albert Wilson caught 10 balls on 10 attempts from Mahomes while only playing 42% of the snaps against Denver. For 148 yards.

The same Wilson played 100% of the snaps against the Titans. 4 targets. 2 catches. With Smith. Smith couldn't find anyone to throw to without Kelce on the field.

We have seen clips of Watkins open. Mahomes will find him.

KC didn't have much trouble getting guys open. Albert Wilson actually led the NFL in separation last year. Hill was 5th.

https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/r...age-separation

https://twitter.com/MattHarmon_BYB/s...30899265314816

Note that second link. KC's leads by 0.48 yards over the #2 team.

The difference between #2 and #30 is 0.48 yards.

Guys were seriously open last year.

Which is why I noted that I thought we might, gulp, miss Wilson a bit this year. Patrick had nice chemistry with him in the Denver game. I hope that transfers to Watkins this season.

How much of that is due to the known "Alex will not throw a guy open" narrative? This is not just about how open they are at the time of the throw but the fact that Alex tended to avoid trying to fit the ball into a smaller window.

Mahomes had great chemistry with Robinson and Kemp and Harris and Dieter and every single pass catcher he plays with.

Because he’s ****ing awesome.

The fact that Wilson ever had a role greater than "practice squad receiver" should tell us just how bad the receiver position has been over recent years. Ditto for Robinson.

I tend to agree, but it was a slight worry, given the sheer volume of passes caught.

Lol this is ridiculous. Wilson is much better than a practice squad WR.

That's not actually what I'm saying. I'm saying the fact that he had to be played instead of developing on the practice squad like he should have is an indication of just how many issues we've had at receiver. The same is true of Robinson.

Either way, I don't think this franchise has ever had anything even approaching the calibre of receiver talent they'll put on the field in 2018. Hopefully they can actually stay healthy for once, and we won't continue to have to pull undrafted players and CFL receivers out of our ass just to have enough to play.

Eh. It was probably bad to have him as our 2nd WR in 2014, but he was a perfectly fine WR4 for us. I mean, take a loaded WR team like Green Bay. Their 4th guy is some dude named Geronimo Allison (I assume his parents named him that to compensate for the girly last name). Is/was Albert Wilson all that far off from this Allison dude in terms of producing like a 4th WR?

In any case, we paid him on a rookie free agent contract. Good enough for me. Now he's in Miami. On an $8 million AAV deal. Now you wanna talk about dudes who play beyond what they're worth to a team? THAT situation in Miami is a problem.

I remember when CP wanted to fire everyone bc we skipped WR’s and got Wilson in the 2014 draft.

Wilson was quietly better than many of those receivers. He was definitely better than Kelvin Benjamin and Jordan Matthews.

Wut? Better than Benjamin, who had 1k yd/9TD and a 950yd/7TD seasons? 1k yds/12TD more in his career, despite missing a full season due to injury? That Kelvin Benjamin?

Do you also remember during the 2014 season when the Chiefs had zero TD receptions by a WR?

Whatever point you are attempting to make about the Chiefs supposed "smart" strategy when it comes to the WR position in 2014 is wrong.

Try again.

It’s still ridiculous. Wilson deserved to be on the 53 man roster from day one. I think you’re overating the average backup WR.

Alex Smith was why the Chiefs didn’t have a TD to a WR. The Chiefs should have drafted Derek Carr that year, who they passed on bc they had....Alex Smith.

2017 Steelers had a loaded WR group, yeah?

Yeah, it's probably loaded 1-3. Who was their 4th WR?

Some dude named Eli Rogers. He had 140 receiving yards in 2017. And that's with Big Ben as his QB, not Alex Smith.

You're gonna tell me Albert Wilson can't be on a 53 man roster? Albert Wilson can't do 140 receiving yards?

Yes, this is different than what keg is actually saying. Just pointing it out, that's all. A team's WR4 is rarely anything more special than Albert Wilson.

Am I missing an obvious joke here? How is Albert Wilson definitely better than those two you just mentioned?

Matthews can’t catch a cold and Benjamin looked like a fat **** when he go to camp last year. Two high picks who got shipped out of the teams that drafted them.

Do you really think either of those guys fit this offense? Dee Ford was bad but my god these guys would have been awful here, especially with Alex.

Lots of love for ol' Aligator Arms in this thread.

I would have been good with keeping Wilson. He had it working with Mahomes in Denver. It was fun to see. He didn't play much, but it got to the point when he came on the field I would be telling my wife "Here he comes, we got this" on any big play in the second half.

No doubt- he really had a great connection with Mahomes that game. It would have been interesting to see if it would have carried over to this year, but with Miami throwing Monopoly money at him, you can't blame Wilson for taking it. It will be a lot warmer down there in December as well.

Picture it -

Mahomes in shotgun with Hunt and Ware flanking him.
Sammy Watkins wide to the left.
Travis Kelce wide to the right.
Tyreek Hill in the slot.

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If we are talking just talent and play on the field...

if you are given the choice right now of taking Benjamin, Matthews, or Wilson on equal contracts, who are you taking?

You know that Wilson just got a much bigger contract than Matthews this offseason, right?

Just saying because it’s clear the rest of the NFL agrees with RunKC on those two. He might end up with a better second contract than Benjamin too.

Can't blame him at all! He did what he had to do. I'm just comfortable that Watkins will click well with Mahomes too. I really expect to see an offense like we haven't seen in many years in KC this fall.

I'd venture to guess that there are some players with lesser contracts that you think are better players so I'm not sure that's some smoking gun.

Are you taking Wilson over Benjamin?

You seemed to think RunKC’s take was bold/unpopular. I’m just simply pointing out that the market agrees, and yes it does say a lot. They were both free agents this year, so it’s different than comparing contracts with guys that weren’t. It’s rare that the lesser player gets 6-7 mil more per year.

They play different positions, but I think Wilson is a better in the slot than Benjamin is on the outside and he offers more versatility. Not to mention all of Benjamin’s issues with his weight and injuries. Wilson’s been the more productive player over the past two years.

Heres a hot take, I bet Sammy Watkins will have more yards per catch and at least 75% of the yards as OBJ

Not only that, but so will Tyreek Hill... thats right, while OBJ is busy smoking sage blunts, snorting GNCs 'Bio-Hard', and demanding to be the highest paid player since God... the Chiefs receivers will be working together as a TEAM, and killing the NFL like some Madden genius gone wild

I do think it's bold to say that Wilson is better than Benjamin when he is healthy. Really I just wanted to know if he would straight up take Wilson.

I'm still sure there are players that got contacts in the same year where you feel the lesser paid player is better. Did Wilson get 6-7 million more per year?

Matthews 1yr/1mil
Wilson 3yrs/24mil

I’d definitely take Matthews and his deal, but I think Wilson is the better slot. I think we would’ve saw that had he gotten a full year with Mahomes. Did you see that stat somebody posted on his separation in 2017? It was an eye opener. I’ll look for it.

I don't think I saw that. I'm not really trying to dog on Wilson, especially as a #4 WR. I just think I would take Benjamin every time I had the choice without even thinking. Matthews is a different story. I'm not trying to defend him. I thought you were talking about the Benjamin contract.

Matthews obviously took a 1 year deal with a HOFer at QB to try to turn it into a big $ deal somewhere the following year.

I think anyone trying to argue Albert Wilson over Kelvin Benjamin is insane. I can somewhat understand Wilson over Matthews, but Matthews has three consecutive seasons of production that Wilson has never come close to. Matthews obviously struggled last year on a pathetic Buffalo Bills passing attack, but this year with the Patriots will be a make or break year for him.

I'm rooting for Wilson in Miami- I do think though his "yards of separation" will be put to the test in an offense that is responsible for one of the most productive slot receivers in recent history in Jarvis Landry. I just have a hard time believing that if Albert Wilson was that open on a consistent basis that the Chiefs wouldn't be able to target him more.

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He is nothing if not supremely confident... I like it

As long as he catches the ball and gains yards, I don’t give a **** what he is or isn’t

:D:clap::clap::clap:

I can’t wait to ask him some questions at camp...I think he’s gonna be one hell of a character.

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Reptilian solar being?!?!

Now they're gonna put something in the Arrowhead water to turn our WRs GAY!!

ROFL

With the way he runs and cuts he may be a reptilian solar being

I am looking forward to your camp reports!


I have always wanted to go- I think this will be the year.

This is the only year I have ever regretted not living in Missouri any longer. If you're a local, you definitely need to go.

I think I’ll probably make a trip to camp this year. It’s just too appealing right now not to if the opportunity presents itself.

Wheres Art Bell when you need him?! :shrug:

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Agreed. That Mahomes Denver game did financial wonders for Wilson. Miami will soon realize that both Tannehill and Wilson are just posers because Tannehill definitely ain't no PM2 that can pretty you up on the gridiron like Pat can. Besides Wilson was playing against backups 1/2 to 2/3rds of the game. Von played a lot but Von doesn't cover slots either. Never have been a Tannehill fan whatsoever.:shake:

That Mahomes gave Wilson some trade value is one of his many, many miracles.

Sammy does have hair like Predator :)

It’s a can’t miss this year.

Haha

One game with Mahomes gave Wilson a 24 million dollar deal.

Mahomes didn't even have a game with Watkins and got him a 48 mil 3 year deal. Mahomes is going to make a lot of people rich on that offense for the next 12+ years.

Especially himself.

I watched Sammy Watkins in the Chief's press conference. I was certainly impressed by his intelligence and speaking ability. If he can play as well as he presented himself in the conference, we have a winner.

Ya a lot of intelligent guys think they are a lizard man

I laughed at this for a solid 5 minutes.

Hopefully he's just trolling.

I know PM2 can let it fly. But a WR who can snatch it out of the air with his tongue is a bit much to believe

There is a lizard that lives where the sand is so hot it runs across it on it's hind legs. -Party pooper

I bet the touchdown dances would be great!

http://blog.reallyrightstuff.com/wp-...2-finished.jpg

Wanna know how we know you aren't really a fan?

Haha. He gave that away long before that post. He just likes to keep showing his ass.

LMAO