It took damn near acts of God for Hunt to fire the last 2 GMs.. this is all Andy

Great, another ego ****ing our franchise.

Carl, Pioli, Reid.

Meddling ****s cut from the same cloth.

If it came down to Reid vs Dorsey, the Chiefs made the Chiefiest of choices.

This take here makes the most sense. Good read.

https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2017/...rom-the-chiefs

I think it's pretty obvious that Dorsey really wanted Mahomes too

Did that guy see him in the war room after?

I think in the end, 1000 years from now when we're all dead and gone, the overriding legacy of Chiefsplanet will be that it was an amazing repository of fail gifs.

Dorsey had Carr at the top of the board but Andy meddled and decided to choose Alex.

I hope with everything in my soul that Mahomes becomes a very good QB, but my God if he busts we're all going to be on suicide watch.

****. They even got to Baby Lee.

It is all a power trip or struggle for all of them, evidently including Dorsey who wanted a little more control and for Reid to have a little less control.
This is the problem with having the HC and GM "report" to Hunt. The "pecking" order is not in line so Hunt had to make a choice. I am not sure that he made the right choice. I would have leaned towards keeping Dorsey and getting a contract cap specialist to correct what appeared to be his only real flaws. Reid has proven that he will not change or overcome his flaws with clock management, time out usage and delegating the play calling.

****. They even got to RunKC.

Wasn't Dorsey already one of if not the highest paid GM in the league? If he wants a raise in that and he's not saving you any money when it comes to players, wouldn't that make you want to part ways?
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Yeah **** the coach that took a team that went 4-12 and took them to 11-5 in one season. Clearly that was all Dorsey.
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Thanks for posting.

Yeah, I do not like this at all. When the **** did Reid ever prove himself worthy to wear these two hats?
And think about this:

What kind of GM candidate who takes pride in his work is going to willingly come aboard as Reid's yes-man, knowing EXACTLY that that is the situation?

No one with the franchise's best interest at heart, that's who. Just some lacky shiester who cares only for moving up the corporate ladder.

Dumb as ****

The Chiefs are the Patriot Dynasty of self-inflicted ass kicking.

Apparently a guy who called Dorsey getting canned earlier today says he knows a few guys in the FO. Here's the reason why he said Dorsey got released:

Take it for what it's worth.

Wrong.

****ing RIDICULOUSLY WRONG.

Clark took control after his father passed in 2006.

He fired Carl Peterson in 2008.

In 2009, Clark hired the "best" candidate in the NFL, then fired him four years later.

Now, he's fired Dorsey four years into his tenure.

Trezelle Jenkins, Ryan Sims, and Junior Siavii are PISSED that you forgot about them.

Yeah, they're just like the Bills, who haven't been in the playoffs since 1999, or the Raiders, who've had one winning season in the last 15, or the Browns.

Shut the **** up, child

Reid, playoff choke artist, zero Super Bowl wins, Chiefs!

I agree, what it makes me wonder is if Dorsey was made to understand that this was the situation coming in as well. If so I am amazed he took the job and then did so well at it.
If he was apprised that was how it was going to be he had to be looking to make a name for himself hoping to either prove his value and worth to KC. Making the Chiefs respectable again has to be a huge bonus on his resume.

There is a reason why the firing of Dorsey happened on the same day as Reid got his contract extension. One of them told Hunt that they wanted more power forcing Clark to decide which person to keep. I imagine it was Reid that made the power play because he knew that Clark would need to keep the coach with the new QB.

Now Andy Reid sleeps with Clark Hunt's nuts in a jar on his nightstand.

Do you know what's hilarious and SO ****ing Chiefsplanet?

If Hunt fired Reid, the guy that's led them to 4 straight winning seasons and the first playoff win in 23 years, there are people here that would be ECSTATIC.

Meanwhile, the guy that signed bad contracts to multiple players and has been widely criticized on CP was fired, now it's all over.

LMAO

This is such a contradictory statement..

So, if Reid has been the one and not Dorsey, why is this guy pissed about players like Hill, Peters, Kelce, Morse, etc., that we have drafted? If he is right, it was Reid who said to draft them.

Was it also Reid that said to get Berry and Houston signed? According to this guy, it must be.

Now, the downside is, if Reid had this power, was he the one that said to cut JC and Maclin?

Makes sense. Im sure he ran it by Andy first and they both agreed.

Dumb as ****, as usual

LMAO

That does make sense. Doesn't matter how good you are at one aspect of your job if you totally suck at another key aspect of your job.

Personally I got enough of that shit with Dick Vermeil.

Come on Dane. Let's not act like Dorsey and his personnel hires didn't have a big impact on our success.

They say "absolute power corrupts absolutely."

One would think this makes sense from a social hierarchy perspective.

So far Reid has the power, but maybe he wants too much power to the point where it's getting to his head and it results in Dorsey getting fired?

I don't know what to think man? But like shouldn't it be the opposite way around where you run an organization and you let the GM, one of the top executives around to be in power more so than the head coach? I mean that's the way it is most times in most organizations throughout professional sports and not the other way around.

Why don't the Chiefs at least organize their social hierarchy right? It's ****ing twisted man and it's a sign that this organization is ****ed.

Have no idea but it only makes sense that they had to make compromises on who to draft and sign in FA in situations where they did not agree.

I won't believe any of these theories until Schefter or Rapoport report it

Do go **** yourself.

Goddamn you have become the most irritating piece of shit on this forum, surpassing Tigger for the title.

Everything the Chiefs do is great and right.
Andy is the awesome and people just don't see his greatness the way I do.
Alex is a very nice guy and franchise QB, why won't people see this?!?

Yeah, we ****ing GET IT already.

Stupid ****ing lemming.

That wasn't my point.

CP has always had its winners and losers regarding those in charge of the Chiefs.

And they're always wrong.

WHAT?

This place was dead on in knowing that Carl and Pioli were cancer had to be cut out.

**** you, Jason.

You're not even a fan. You're a bored loser that can no longer drink, smoke pot or otherwise enjoy life, so you're ****ing OBSESSED with a team you've admittedly HATE.

Go **** yourself.

20 years too late and 4 years too late, respectively, Geno.

Which years did we win the Super Bowl?

It's all on Mahomes at this point

With this roster and a franchise QB, it would take a REALLY incompetent GM to fail

All of them

I said it a while back and I'll say it again. This has everything to do with Green Bay.

Dumbest post of the thread.

In Dorsey's case it worked. And though it is not entirely out of the realm of possibility that such a scenario could work again, I argue that you will be hard pressed to find another guy with that level of talent identification and nose to the grindstone work ethic.

Do you recall Carl being that kind of guy? Or Peeholi?

Nope. Because it is a rare commodity.

A talented coaching staff means more than a talented roster then. :rolleyes:
That same coach that constantly and consistently over his entire career has had severe problems with clock management, timeout usage and play calling and is unwilling to change.
Where as a team could hire a cap contract specialist in order to keep the best talent evaluator that this franchise has had in what seems like a lifetime.
Players can make coaches look like geniuses and coaches can make players look like shit. There has to be a balance.

No faith in Veach? With Andy's help, a strong personnel and coaching staff already in place, it won't be a huge challenge.

Big shoes to fill tho.

Carl's problem was refusal to address the QB position. With a top QB, he'd probably have two or three championships

No one can put Dorsey in the same can as Hot Carl and Pioli.

I totally agree with you, Hunt waited way too long to fire both of them. Dorsey built a solid core of starters out of the draft and had to take some risks on guys like reek and Peters to look better than he might have been but he wasn't trash.

My guess would be the lack of cap management and the lack of being able to sign big time FA's who could make the team better though Dorsey was hamstrung by Reid in the FA market with him breaking the rules to sign Macklin.

I guess it came down to one or the other by the Hunts and they chose to give the HC the nod hoping he can game manage enough wins until they get a chance to see what the rookie QB can do.

If Mahommes pans out then the deal was worth it, if not then the Hunts have to pay Andy and a new HC for a couple years.

It is easier for the locker room to have that continuity by not changing the HC rather than keeping the GM, especially at this point of the year. Really this is a decision the Hunts had to know was coming at the end of the season as there is no way you are firing a HC after Mini-camp and before TC.

If this is the case. Wow. WTF. You payed Franchise Killer big ****ing money at least pay this guy who is a competent GM.

Jesus I hope this isn't the case.

I'm shocked. I have no idea what to say... Unbelievable. We finally get a good GM and now he is gone just like that.

And what does Dorsey have? Are we going to give him credit for the Packers Superbowl win when he was director of college scouting? If so then Reid gets credit for when the Packers won and he was an assistant coach.

Or where were you going with this?
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No one is putting him there.

It's pretty obvious who was better at his job at One Arrowhead, though, and it wasn't the fatso calling 300 screen passes.

He had nothing to choose from

Didn't Dorsey fire a lot of scouting personnel? He couldn't get deals on with them or Maclin. Maybe he's made some bad internal decision we don't know about.

Apparently it was if you listen to all the chatter.

Mass: It was all Reid behind the scenes
This Guy: Dorsey was upset about how much power Reid had
That Guy: Reid had final say over the roster

Sounds to me like Clark kept the right person......

Bullshit.

The last time Reid had all the power he gave Mike Vick a $100 million contract and drove the Eagles into the basement.

If Mahomes pans out, he will be a Chief for 15 years. We will cycle through every other position including head coach during that period. We need a great GM for Mahomes to reach his full potential. Dorsey was that guy.

Don't for a second think because Reid is clock challenged and his play calling gets dull that his ability to evaluate talent is directly tied to that. The two are not mutually exclusive. Evaluating talent and then using the talent correctly are two different things.

The cap thing is an excuse to justify Clarks moronic decision. With the exception of Rodney Hudson who did we lose that was worth a ****? I wont argue Dorsey gave out terrible contracts but he could find talent wether it was March or December. Id argue we never had anyone like that. The drafts sans 2013 were excellent. Peters looks like a Chiefs HOF'r and Kelce will threaten some of Gonzalezs records. Reids a great coach who sometimes makes dumbass in gsme decisions but Reid/Dorsey was a perfect marriage. Maybe they hire someone good maybe they dont but it was nice to have a competent regime for the first time in 20 years.

So all these people who are on the inside are full of shit and it was all Dorsey?

Wha?

You should do almost anything to keep a good talent evaluator. Get him some help with contract negotiations, you don't fire him.

If you believe the chatter from the insiders, we did keep the talent evaluator.

Dorsey gone?
 

I would think Reid had as much input as Dorsey on draft picks. Dorsey has never been good in negotiating contracts, trades etc from how it's appeared. I think people maybe giving Dorsey more credit than deserved as we don't know it all. Time will tell.


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Dorsey is widely recognized as one of the best GMs in the NFL. His future is ahead of him. This will likely be be Reid's last contract and his best season culminated in poor clock management and his QB puking on the field.

John Dorsey is a God.

What do we do from here?

WWJD?

Bill Polian was GM in Indy for 13 years.

During that time he had FOUR head coaches.

Cdcox is spot on.

This seems to be consistent with what we are hearing. Dorsey was upset about the power Reid had. Reid had the final say on the roster. Etc., etc.

Me today when I heard the news.

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You know, we could bitch about this for days/weeks/months/forever, and no doubt some of you will, but at the end of the day..... what's done is done. I was bummed when they shitcanned Maclin (just the Mizzou fan in me, Dane - don't taze me, bro! :D ), but he's gone. They're both gone and they're not coming back.

So we move on and just pray we don't get saddled with another ****ing saboteur like Pioli.

All of this.

Take heart. We just signed Regular Season Reid to a long-term deal instead.

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Hard to disagree with that. Dorsey was terrible concerning free agents, contracts, and the cap.

Take it easy, Lew...

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No, Geno

The thing that amuses me the most is the most bitched about thing on this board is Alex Smith. Who extended him before he needed to? Again, Reid probably had as much input on that, but people love to create their own little disasters. Dorsey was pretty much hand picked when Reid was already hired. Reid deserves as much credit/blame from the roster as far as I can tell. The cap situation and bad contracts are clearly on the GM. I could be wrong, but that's my perception.


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Dorsey basically did nothing his first year and Reid still took the team to the playoffs. We have no idea how good Dorsey is because Reid is just so good as a coach he can make anything work. And I think it's funny how people blame Reid for Alex but give praise to Dorsey for all the other personnel decisions.

And are you saying we won't get better with mahomes? Why was last yr Reid's best season?
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