You are way too old to process information the way you do.

Disagree.

At the very, very least; the establishment of a winning culture combined with the implementation of a very strong and accountable talent acquisition program have paid and will continue to pay dividends beyond making Clark money.

If Hali's cap hit wasn't $8.5 million, I think Maclin would still be a Chief.

That was a pretty terrible contract by Dorsey...it made releasing Tamba virtually impossible until 2018.

Agree with this.

See we were in "win now" mode the last couple years, and it hurt us.

I also think we need to get Mahomes ready to play this year. I'm hoping for a Russle Wilson like season. I don't want to wait until next year to see what we got. I want to see what we have this year, so we can go into 2018 with a plan to win with him.

I think an argument can be made that Hali is more valuable to the team right now than Maclin was. Hali didn't play much, but when he did, he still provided a lot of pressure on the QB. Houston and Ford have not proven to be reliable in terms of health, and pass rush is as important as anything outside of the QB.

I'd rather have Hali if we are talking about 2017 itself.

Nah.

Pressures and sacks are worth WAY more than 36 yards a game receiving.

Well Dorsey is good at finding talent in the draft and off the scrap heap, but he has been absolute shit with the salary cap and veteran contracts.

The salary cap is a myth

Well Dorsey needs to be taught that, because he sure as hell doesn't seem to have the ability to maneuver the mythical "cap" as other GMs.

Really?

Which Chief has been cut as a casualty, or otherwise, has Dorsey lost that went to excel elsewhere?

I could be much simpler than we think. He could have been just flat out beat out .

Demarcus Robinson was a top 100 talent in the draft the year he came out but fell bc of so many red flags.

If he is even decent for us this season, it's a win.

No beef with the cut of Maclin. I like his potential, but the dude is injury prone and it's obvious that Alex Smith does not have a connection with him. They were paying him WAY too much money to be a paper warrior.

Why do you even watch football then? The Chiefs haven't won a championship in your lifetime. You would think, that if all of those seasons were "wasted" as you say, that you would have found another hobby by now. Tell you what, go over to the Mange and hang out with the Donk loving scum. Their rings weren't earned. They had to cheat for every one of them, but, by your measure, they didn't waste those seasons. Or, better yet. Go be a Patriots fan. They have 5 seasons that weren't wasted in the Brady/Belicheck era. If that's all you want, then ride those bandwagons. The rest of us enjoy watching the Chiefs win double digit games and make it to the playoffs each year. We enjoy watching players like Tony Gonzalez, Travis Kelce, Tyreek Hill, Derrick Thomas, Jamaal Charles, and others make great plays. Did they win a ring? No, but their years weren't wasted in my book. Several Chiefs have made it to the HOF without winning a Superbowl. I bet that they wouldn't think that thier years were wasted. Dane's right. You're a moron.

It's entertaining, if in an unsatisfying way.

The satisfaction may be on it's way, though. Then, and only then, will I really get back to feeling the emotions the game used to conjure up in me.

Watching football without a shred of hope is terrible. Some of us are cursed, I suppose. If you can mindlessly enjoy the pro football version of Wal Mart and McDonalds more power to ya.

Here's a couple of GIFs of Reek routing up Chris Harris Jr.

Like, bad.

https://twitter.com/realmnchiefsfan/...69627901513728

https://twitter.com/realmnchiefsfan/...72604259373056

He also roasted Talib and Roby when we played in Denver.

Now he knows the playbook better and has learned to refine his routes. Dude is DeSean Jackson 2.0 with more juice.

Another one.

https://twitter.com/realmnchiefsfan/...77073302810624

Obviously he has to go out there and do it, but I think he has all the makings of a star WR. Those routes are too easy. Never slows down to cut.

87 receptions for 1100 yards and 8 TDs his first year here. Yeah you're right.
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that guy is a terrible poster and has zero football knowledge.

There isn't really anyone on the roster with the experience Maclin had. I'm not in disagreement that he was invisible last year but this team usually keeps one seasoned member per position group.

Hali had 3.5 sacks, 0 FF and 34 total tackles...He's had 82 FF in his career. He's pretty much done at this point. He made $3.5 million last year which is about right...this season it balloons to like $8.5. Dorsey back loaded the shit out of that contract without an out....Chiefs gave him a nice parting gift and cant say he didn't earn it.

Going into the year with Wilson as your most experienced WR is a risk...

Well KramzRectum, I don't recall your team being able to beat us last year and that's WITH Maclin doing close to nothing last year. Your team sucks, and likely will for the next few seasons. Your awesome secondary couldn't stop what we did to them. And we put up plenty of points on that aging D with Maclin playing only one game against them and having only 3 catches for 9 yds. Your "leader of men but abuser of women" HC is gonna be wearing clown shoes when he faces KC, Reid/Sutton made your team look dumb last year, expect more of that this season. But don't worry, at least you will be able to squeeze your fat ass into your SB 50 shirt while watching KC take them to the woodshed again.

Eh, we beat the Broncos and Falcons on the road without Maclin.

We swept the Raiders and Chargers without Justin Houston.

This team has always proven to have superior depth. Remember when we cut Flowers, our "best CB", and he went to SD?. Oh, what a terrible move. Well, we haven't lost to the Chargers since

Very well said kind sir! :clap::clap::clap:

Eh.

After 10 years here I'm still amazed at how ****ing stupid some of these "wasted season" and "Dorsey is terrible" people are.

Dorsey is a great GM but after five years we're no closer to a Super Bowl and are entering the rebuilding phase once again with a young QB.

We're doing now what we should have done at the start of his tenure.

But at least they put some asses in the seats.

I've been privately on the trade alex smith if we have the change bandwagon.

say another injury situation occurs like bridgewater last year. if they come at us with anything like a 2nd or if we're lucky enough they may be desperate enough for a 1st then do it. let bray and mahomes sling it in preseason and let's just get this kids on the job training. it'll be aggravating and frustrating, but i'd be willing to stomach it.

but if nothing of the sort transpires in TC then let's work these guys in on offense (mahomes excluded) and prep for the transition next year.

Dorsey had Derek Carr on the draft board but Andy veto'd. Finally he saw the light with Alex.

And seriously dude stop with this rebuilding shit. Dorsey has been building the team up for a young QB for years.

The entire OL is built and showing improvement as seen with Alex's low pressure score last season. 4/5 OL spots are locked down and Morse will probably be extended.

Hill and Kelce are all pro's in the receiving game and the Chiefs just got their future RB to go with a solid one already.

The offense will have experience, talent and chemistry in 2018 which is what helped Dak Prescott succeed in Dallas.

I agree things are looking up, but I'm not sold just yet.

In particular, earmarking Kareem Hunt as a draft success already is a choice bit of wishful thinking.

And then there's the WR corps. A lot of ifs.

But they are headed in the right direction.

Other than the fringe element of the fanbase, I don't think anyone is suggesting that "Dorsey is terrible", however there is reason to question his personnel decision making when it comes to the WR position.

Remember the historically awful Chiefs WR depth chart in 2014? The group without a TD reception for the entire season?

Dorsey, in his own words admitted after that season that he made a mistake the previous offseason by not being more aggressive in addressing the WR position.

Hopefully history doesn't repeat itself.

He was a shockingly natural route-runner last season. I never expected anything close to that kind of fluidity and innate precision. The guy just knows how to get open. He knows how to use his feet/shoulders to separate as well.

He's a better route runner than Conley and it's not even particularly close.

I think Hill can be a very good WR as well. If he showed up with a strong knowledge of the playbook, that alone may have been enough for the Chiefs to move on from Maclin. If they want to see what he can do in the Z, they can't do it with Maclin on the roster.

It is almost certainly as simple as talent development for their next 'window'. They could've tried to force this one open a bit longer but they made the tough (though likely smart) decision to rip off the band-aid and make the move now. It's going to sting in the short term but there are significant long-term benefits to be had here.

Hate to see Maclin go,really liked his leadership and ability but it happens and the $ savings make it worth it

Next offseason is going to be very busy for Dorsey.

Bennie Logan will likely be targeted for an extension unless he gets injured or flames out.
Now look at all of Dorsey's draft picks that are in their last year. Dee Ford, Mitch Morse, Chris Conley, Steven Nelson and Cairo Santos (UDRFA but still dorsey pick up). Also consider Peters new deal or 5th year option.

2018 is going to be the year that we completely move forward from the old Pioli/Vermeil era.

Bailey-4
Alex-13.4
Hali-5.5
Reid-2.42
Harris-1.8
DJ-5.75
Colquitt-let walk in FA

We currently have $11.5 million, but after rookie deals that will be $7 million of potential rollover.

With those cuts that adds up to $40 million in cap space plus the cap increase, so $50 million to sign these guys.

Unless DJ just has a completely awful season there is no way he is going to be released

They gain 17 mil from Alex release iirc

DJ's gone next year.

The guy has a $10.5 million cap hit next year and the Chiefs can save $8 million of it by cutting him.

There's no way they're paying a 35 yr old ILB $8 million more than they have to next season. He gone.

You also didn't want Mahomes and didn't think he was a 1st round QB but you flipped pretty ****ing quickly once he was drafted.

You've got some numbers wrong.

Bailey- - $6M
Alex - $17M
Hali - $7M
Reid - $3.2M
Harris - $2M
DJ - $8M

I didn't flip I'm just giving him a chance. I'll be very pleasantly surprised if he works out. But he's another big question mark.

That is a fact. He also wanted Geno Smith with the first overall pick and hated the Hill pick saying that he wouldn't even make it out of training camp. The guy has no idea about football talent. But he sure is quick to insert his opinion. And even though his ratio of wrong to right is about 90 to 10, he still keeps doing it.

As far as the WRs go, I really hope that Reid and Dorsey looked at what Maclin, Hill, Conley, Robinson and Chesson looked like in OTAs, on top of what they showed last year, and felt pretty confident that the group could be good without Maclin going forward.

Obviously there was a need to clear cap space but they had to see something in OTAs, even if it is without pads and all, to release Maclin.

And when you take a decision like this, it is not just about this coming year, you take this decision with a vision for the next few years. And then you realize Maclin will be declining, if he is not already, when your young QB Mahomes will be taking charge and Maclin will still have that huge salary.

I didn't hate the hill pick. But he had a shit preseason and I rightfully called him out for it. I was obviously wrong to want him cut but he still has a ways to go. Hopefully he catches more than seven or eight balls over 10 yards this year.

Now you're just being stupid. We are not entering a rebuilding phase. The young quarterback is going to take over a team that is talented and deep. And the way this coaching staff develops players over the course of a couple seasons it is going to be a loaded team by the time Mahomes takes over.

I don't understand why you insist on being a gimmick when you clearly have more to offer.

Lol who really expect much in preseason out of a 5th round rookie WR?

Most of this place was gaga over him after training camp. And he was basically a no-show in preseason other than one or two plays. He legitimately looked awful.

Yeah, Dorsey and less so Reid, have brought to this team a winning mentality. Now, most fans expect this team to be a perennial winner, except for the occasional bad season here and there. This is great!

You have to count dead money. So Allen Bailey wouldn't be a $6 million gain. It would be 4 due to paying Bailey $2 million.

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How long have you been a Chiefs fan? We get gaga over the littlest things. I really had high hopes for Chris Manno.

Longer than you, kid.

Go cut them using their calculator. It increases the cap space by $6 million for Allen Bailey.

It's already factoring in the dead money. He has an $8M cap hit. $2 million would be dead money and $6 million would be cap savings.

That would be very risky and dumb to make a decision like this based on how the other WR's are performing in voluntary OTA's, with zero hitting or contact.

Also whatever the WR's have been doing in the voluntary OTA's thus far has been done without going against the likes of Marcus Peters and Eric Berry in the Chiefs secondary.

You're looking at this year. I believe the discussion was for 2018, where it would indeed be over $6M in savings.

I don't know what you saw. Most of us saw the potential in him. You was absolutely sure that he wouldn't catch a pass over 20 yards the entire season, and placed a bet on it. I very rarely take bets. But that one was a no brainer. I had no doubt whatsoever that I was winning that, so I took it. And guess what? I won. Even though you added the stipulation that the ball had to travel through the air 20 yards, I still won the bet. Face it Clay, you have a football IQ low enough to be considered mentally reeruned.

My prediction is that Robinson breaks out and moves up the depth chart, I think Chesson plays specials this year to replace him.

I think Hill still gets used everywhere and Reid/Nagy scheme up plays for him like last year.

I am not at all worried about the departure of Maclin, quite pleased we had the guts to do it. Guy earned a lot of money last year being broke dick and playing like ass, while the team still won 12 games.

Yeah, you're double-counting the dead money, Run.

Essentially add up the base salary plus any bonuses that won't be earned and you'll have your cap savings. The signing bonus 'carries through' and hits the cap. The June 1 designation wouldn't matter either way as Bailey's in his last year.

You're high on the dead money across the board.

The Chiefs won't have a first round pick in 2018, so the money needed to sign the rookie class will be far less than $4.5 million.

Not able to use the calculator on my phone but I'll take your word for it. That's even better news bc it means we will gain even more money.

The Chiefs can win the same number of games with or without Maclin so he was expendable. That being said from just about any way you look at it the more information I learn the less sense this move makes. There must have been something else than just cap money.

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Also FWIW with Maclin, he only had 2 more receiving TD's than Hill in his 2015 season. Hill only had 2/3 of the targets last season that Maclin had in 2015.

I think he's talking about this year

The development of Conley, Hill, Robinson, Jones and others most likely accelerated this decision.

I think bottom line they needed the money and Hill took Maclin's job. Conley is the #2 WR regardless and the other receivers will still compete for the 3rd spot.

Why?

The Cap money is really as much an explanation as is needed.

Though here's another spin on it (one I like far less) - what if Mahomes' early performance has them a little more spooked than they expected?

Because there was no way to keep Smith on this roster next year, IMO. The money just wasn't going to work. But now with an additional $10 million of freed up rollover (and the knowledge that Smith's weapons don't actually impact his play), the possibility of keeping Smith in '18 is actually back in play.

I hate it, but it's true.

Especially considering the Chiefs could have released Maclin earlier during the offseason, and saved the same $10 million in salary cap room by designating Maclin as a post-June 1st cut.

It's the timing of the move.

Why not release Maclin in March and designate him as a post-June 1st cut? The Chiefs would have saved the same $10 million in salary cap space.

Alex 18
DJ 8
Hali 7
Bailey 6
Reid 3.2
Harris 2
West 1.75

That's 46m in easy money

I don't think the Maclin move has anything to do with them wanting to keep Smith. They could have cut him next offseason and gained the same amount of cap room, if that were the case.

I think they just needed some cap room now for this year, and they feel good about their other WRs.

JFC PLEASE dont feed the trolls...

Probably how your chick views sex. She just needs a Pat Mahomes too.

Cutting maclin will lead to extensions for Morse and Ford.

Watch

Ford extension would be key, hes a lock for 10+ sacks easy. Hes the only LBer we have that isnt old or a brokedick

If you look at the QBs KC could have realistically had a shot at...he's the only one worth a high pick. Carr still hasn't manged to beat Smith in the past 2 seasons.

Oakland is about to hit a financial wall...Mack, Carr, Jackson and possibly Cooper. The bill is coming much like what happened in Seattle.

I think Dorsey has been waiting for someone they really wanted...they had no chance at Wentz, Mariota or Winston.

KC has dumped a lot high profile players this off-season...Howard, Poe, Maclin and Charles.

Dorsey saw his team go 12-4 essentially without 3 of them...and Poe declining.

No they couldn't have.

This buys them $10 million in cap rollover that wouldn't have otherwise existed.

It adds $10 million to next year's cap, effectively. It definitely makes it easier for them to keep Smith if they so choose.

I'm not saying that IS why they did it, but it would work with the timing. It came right after Mahomes had a bit of a pick-fest in OTAs. I think the more likely scenario is that they were just looking to clear the decks for Hill to ascend to #1 wideout, but I can't completely ignore the possibility that some reticence with Mahomes played into it.

IMO camp and preseason is going to tell the Chiefs all they need to know about where Mahomes is and if they should keep Alex in 2018.

That's not entirely true, extending Bowe in 2013 was more about reshaping the roster...and he could only do so much with what pee-hole had left him. They were trying to have some consistency with the transition. Hopkins is the only probowl WR from that draft class. His hands were tied on that one.

2014 was a strong draft for WR. They wanted to draft Beckham and had Sanders all but signed.

Bowe getting busted gave them an out and they essentially replaced him with Maclin. It was a nice move and netted a 1000 yard WR without using a 1st to do so.

Not addressing WR early in 2015 class netted them Morse and Peters...Maclin gave them that flexibility.

His falling off a cliff has nothing to do with Dorsey...it was a good signing, initially, for many reasons.

Had Manning/Hoseface not ****ed with KC signing Sanders....all this would be moot.

I don't believe Mahomes will be ready to start the 2018 and even if he proves me wrong, the Chiefs should keep Smith on the roster as insurance or trade bait before the season starts.

It'd be nice to see the Chiefs get a 2019 second or third round pick for Smith, as opposed to nothing, especially since they're not likely to get any serious comp picks because they won't let their best players, like Peters or Ford, walk.

Pick fest? I only read of one. Is there a more in depth report out there that i've missed?

How do you envision us getting a 2nd or 3rd round pick for Smith?